OT: Dave Ramsey

[Jeffreauxdawg]

“ A mask alone, even when it is used correctly, is insufficient to provide adequate protection or source control.”
December 2020

https://apps.who.int/iris/rest/bitstreams/1319378/retrieve

NHTSA: Airbags alone do not provide adequate protection....

You are taking a single line from a 22 page report that in it's entity says masks are an important component of a comprehensive plan to prevent or lower community spread... Here is the opening sentence before the line you quoted...

The World Health Organization (WHO) advises the use of masks as part of a comprehensive package of prevention and control measures to limit the spread of SARS-CoV-2.

 

[ZombieKissinger]

Yes, and this is a pretty common thing throughout healthcare - collections of interventions being helpful as part of a comprehensive package. See the same thing in suicide prevention for healthcare systems. There’s a huge difference in “insufficient” and “ineffective”. The WHO just doesn’t want someone to slip on a mask, think they’re immune, then spend the next eight hours grinding on Stacee at Florabama.

In the case of masks, the studies show they likely are helpful, even the highly-Facebook-posted DANMASK. There’s a problem with people not understanding differences between “ineffective” and “insufficient”, misinterpreting lack of statistical significance as proving an intervention doesn’t work. Because sometimes studies (like DANMASK) have stupidly aggressive primary outcomes that are obviously not going to be achieved, though they do show data trending very positively - the studies just aren’t always powered or designed to achieve a less aggressive outcome

 

[WilCoDawg]

I’m not sure how one would buy stuff over the internet with cash. I’ll hang up and listen to your response.

 

[WilCoDawg]

Everyone can rightfully bash the guy. He’s obviously an easy target since he has standards that don’t align with most people. His morals are just different than those of liberal America. He has his rules that people accept to adhere to do work for HIS company and get well paid by HIS company.

How is that different than having to accept conditions to accept various other norms one may not agree with to work at another establishment?

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

It's a fine line between having a strong culture and a cult-like workplace. When you ride that line you develop passionate believers and equally passionate haters. It's a ticking time bomb...

My wife worked for a decade at an ad agency with a very cult-like ethos. The agency was the largest independent ad agency in the country and probably the most iconic... They created the Chick-fil-A cows, The Motel 6 "We'll leave the light on for you" campaign, Home Depot's logo, The Ram "God Made A Farmer" commercial, all the Original Corona ads on the beach, and dozens of Super Bowl ads... One of the most prestigious agencies in the world... At least until 3 months ago.

The 88 year old owner/founder stuck his foot in his mouth on an internal Zoom call and the cult turned on him like no other. They came out of the woodworks to pile on and it made national news. All their major clients bailed (Home Depot, Motel 6, Dr Pepper, and others.) Hundreds of people have lost their jobs and the entire agency is on a death spiral.

https://adage.com/article/year-review/biggest-agency-implosion-2020/2298871


It was a 4 time winner of best place to work according to the Dallas Morning News and it was always in the running for the top spot.... But in reality, most people there hated it. They just lied about the culture to keep their jobs. When the opportunity came, those "Happy" workers torpedoed the **** out of that place.

https://www.inc.com/magazine/201111/stan-richards-unique-management-style.html


I believe a business should pretty much be able to do anything it chooses that is not specifically prohibited by law or endangers/infringes upon the rights of others. But it doesn't mean you should. Flying to close to the sun usually ends in disaster. That's why big businesses always have mountains of documentation and procedures from HR to follow.

The fact is, most people are always going to hate their job at some level. Best to just pay em well and play it by the book... Trying to create funky cultures seems like a dance with the devil to me.

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

Is Dave still pushing A Shares?

Yes. Those FA's pay him well to do it too.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

He bashes credit cards but when you go on line to buy something from him or sign up for a seminar he accepts credit cards.

He accepts debit cards. Of course, if you key in a credit card, there's no way for them to know.

Stick to the facts, and carry on with your bashfest.

 

[WilCoDawg]

That goes for any successful company. Wal-Mart is a good example of a strong culture that eventually went downhill. Then people started coming out of the woodwork about lousy pay and hardships which exist at any large company. There will always be whiners and complainers. No company is perfect.

And hiring isn’t cheap or easy. Good for anyone doing the due diligence in vetting people whether it’s considered extreme or not. If you don’t like the interview process, you may not like the company. It’s a good sneak peek for you.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

Everyone can rightfully bash the guy. He’s obviously an easy target since he has standards that don’t align with most people. His morals are just different than those of liberal America. He has his rules that people accept to adhere to do work for HIS company and get well paid by HIS company.

How is that different than having to accept conditions to accept various other norms one may not agree with to work at another establishment?

Agreed. But I don't automatically dismiss JoeLee'sSocks point either. It seems like all organizations have a tipping point where they get too big, want too much, etc.

 

[anonymous.sixpack]

Everyone can rightfully bash the guy. He’s obviously an easy target since he has standards that don’t align with most people. His morals are just different than those of liberal America. He has his rules that people accept to adhere to do work for HIS company and get well paid by HIS company.

How is that different than having to accept conditions to accept various other norms one may not agree with to work at another establishment?

It’s a slippery slope when you give Chris Hogan a pass over a book deal.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

It’s a slippery slope when you give Chris Hogan a pass over a book deal.

Ramsey is straight up obsessed with that guy, and I'm not sure why. He's a great speaker, but he's not worth covering up a scandal.

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

Good point on the interview... I think most people are guilty of just looking at the opportunity, but not looking around. I have a friend who told me he sat in on an interview where his ******* boss asked the guy to name a song that best describes himself as a worker.... (Just a BS question that is trying to be too clever.)

At the end of the interview, when the interviewers asked him if he had any questions, he asked the ******* boss to recall a poem that describes himself as a manager, preferably in iambic pentameter.

The guy obviously never took the offer if he even got it, but became a legend. My buddy told all his co-workers and everytime the manager was a dick about something the employees told him he needed to repeat the instructions in iambic pentameter. Apparently the manager only lasted 6 months after the interview.

Absolute legend.

 

[aTotal360]

Because he makes Dave a pile of cash.

 

[615dawg]

Now that this has taken off

Now that this has taken off, I will tell my Dave Ramsey Interview story

My wife and I had early success with his plan, although we cheated and didn't completely make every sacrifice, we made the commitment to remove consumer debt from our household and we have been able to have a nice life.

Circa 2004, while living in Starkville (back when 615dawg was trying to live in the 615 so 615's wife could finish a graduate degree at Vanderbilt), there was a very interesting job opening at the Lampo Group (his company name back then). I was qualified and I liked the idea of working for a Christian company, so I applied. They called me within minutes of me hitting the apply button and we conducted a somewhat normal phone interview/screening with an HR-type.

About a week later, I did another phone interview with the hiring manager. Now, I am one of those that researches people that I may do business with. This guy had a unique name so when I googled him, all kinds of weird crap came up. Arrests for domestic violence + volunteerism. The thing that stood out was that he had a degree in Mechanical Engineering from Pensacola Christian College. If you know anything about PCC, its an unaccredited cult-like school. ABET wouldn't even take their calls for engineering accreditation, because SACS wouldn't even accredit them. What's really weird? I work in marketing and public relations.

So the phone interview was a little strange, but I rolled with it. Sent a standard thank you follow up and the guy replied that he was "impressed with my initiative." Whatever. Another couple weeks flies by and I am in the middle of interviewing for the job that I would eventually take in Nashville, and he asks if I could come up on a Tuesday. I was going to be there that Friday and I asked if I could do it Friday and he said, no had to be Tuesday because I would need to meet with senior leadership. So I commit to going up there.

Meet at the headquarters, a standard mid-rise office building in Franklin at the time. Its a 10:00 am meeting, and the guy meets me in the lobby and says, let's grab lunch. We go to Moe's Southwest Grill. Im sitting there in full suit and tie at Moe's selling myself and the guy takes a phone call outside - 20 minutes. Comes back in and says ready to go? We head back to the office and he tells me that he had filled the job the week before, but really wanted to meet me. He thought I would fit in and was going to recommend me for another job in another area.

I casually accepted, thanked him, and never followed up when the new job contacted me. Weird experience. Eventually ended up moving to Nashville and started hearing stories like this and how DR was fake.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

Because he makes Dave a pile of cash.

Which is the biggest mystery, at least to me. I guess there are still a ton of people who are wowed by "dynamic speakers", as Ramsey says of Hogan. He doesn't say anything Ramsey doesn't say. And honestly, Ramsey is the talent himself, I would imagine the company will go downhill as soon as he retires. All these new 'Ramsey personalities' really don't add that much in my mind, save for a few. If I'm planning to listen to the show or download a podcast, and Dave himself isn't hosting, I turn it off or delete it.