OT: Do we ever learn anything?

Bulldog Bruce

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I was just watching a story about the slow rebuilding of the Pacific Palisades. They did have some footage of 3 or 4 houses being built out of the 10s that are being worked on. Each house they showed was being wood framed? How can they possibly allow wood framed houses to be built? Not a single cinder block or 3D printed cement house. I am just dumbfounded.
 

The Cooterpoot

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And Texas let places be build on a flood plain and the feds backed off of flood plain area and now a couple hundred are dead/missing.
 

leeinator

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I was just watching a story about the slow rebuilding of the Pacific Palisades. They did have some footage of 3 or 4 houses being built out of the 10s that are being worked on. Each house they showed was being wood framed? How can they possibly allow wood framed houses to be built? Not a single cinder block or 3D printed cement house. I am just dumbfounded.
Noticed that too. The only saving grace is maybe they are going to cover the wood frame with some type of cement boards or stone facade that will protect the wood structure. But yeah, had it been me, I would have gone with some sort of masonry structure all the way through from inside to out.
 
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I was just watching a story about the slow rebuilding of the Pacific Palisades. They did have some footage of 3 or 4 houses being built out of the 10s that are being worked on. Each house they showed was being wood framed? How can they possibly allow wood framed houses to be built? Not a single cinder block or 3D printed cement house. I am just dumbfounded.
Hey Bruce, were you watching Peter Santenello on YouTube? He’s got some great videos. Did one in MS & in Fairhope
 

The Peeper

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And Texas let places be build on a flood plain and the feds backed off of flood plain area and now a couple hundred are dead/missing.
And at least until a couple years ago if not still now, MS let's homes along the M River collect federal flood damage compensation year after year after year. This was per Paul Gallo and George Flaggs interview back then. They keep flooding and the Feds keep compensating
 
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I was just watching a story about the slow rebuilding of the Pacific Palisades. They did have some footage of 3 or 4 houses being built out of the 10s that are being worked on. Each house they showed was being wood framed? How can they possibly allow wood framed houses to be built? Not a single cinder block or 3D printed cement house. I am just dumbfounded.
The exterior cladding matters the most.
 
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I was just watching a story about the slow rebuilding of the Pacific Palisades. They did have some footage of 3 or 4 houses being built out of the 10s that are being worked on. Each house they showed was being wood framed? How can they possibly allow wood framed houses to be built? Not a single cinder block or 3D printed cement house. I am just dumbfounded.
I was actually deployed there for Corp of engineers and oversaw crews that were involved in cleanup. The major cost to FEMA was pulling up foundations and these massive earthquake footers some I saw were 4 feet wide and 40 feet long buried 6 feet in the ground with 2-inch re-bar. The existing chimneys were all taken down and had to be tested for asbestos. You have to remember many homes/mansions were built when materials were much cheaper also. As they passed new building codes no more chimneys are allowed to be constructed. and most houses are going to be rebuilt with wood with 3-foot crawl spaces as if his ever happens again cleanup will be easier and less costly. a lot more involved but that is the synopsis. edited for Bruce:)
 
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The Guadalupe flood was a once in a hundred year event where the California wildfires are once a year more or less. California would love to take that property and build some public housing there. I 100% agree with the CBS building tho. Concrete block is much more resistant to fire or wind damage.
 

The Cooterpoot

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If you went by that stipulation then every city or town on a river would have to be abandoned.
No, they'd have to modify construction like they have on new projects on the beach. At some point, at least a little common sense should be incorporated, especially after a disaster. But, if it's your land and you don't mind dying on it and can afford to live with crazy insurance premiums, or with no insurance, I guess that's your call too. But then you get into how much our tax money should support people who do that as well.
 
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The Cooterpoot

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It's a tactic. The delay puts financial stress on people who finally give up and sellout. And who will be there to pick up the pieces?
Many of those people had lost their insurance before the fire. The wealthy don't care and can build right back, the others were already done.
 

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It's a tactic. The delay puts financial stress on people who finally give up and sellout. And who will be there to pick up the pieces?
Not a lot of people would like paying CA property taxes on a lot with a burned out house on it. Especially when there are so many roadblocks being thrown up slowing down the rebuilding process.
 

99jc

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Many of those people had lost their insurance before the fire. The wealthy don't care and can build right back, the others were already done.
I found out being involved in the cleanup In the Palisades there were very rich people and those that thought they were rich...the later are headed out of state now. saw many tears!
 
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The Cooterpoot

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I found out being involved in the cleanup In the Palisades there were very rich people and those that thought they were rich...the later are headed out of state now. saw many tears!
Yep! There's a difference, but I get peoples land grab concerns too. Wealth makes the world go round.
 

Seinfeld

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I was just watching a story about the slow rebuilding of the Pacific Palisades. They did have some footage of 3 or 4 houses being built out of the 10s that are being worked on. Each house they showed was being wood framed? How can they possibly allow wood framed houses to be built? Not a single cinder block or 3D printed cement house. I am just dumbfounded.
My next question…. When insurance companies refuse to insure these, are we going to hear the outrage against State Farm all over again when the next fire occurs
 
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Bulldog Bruce

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Honestly guys if you are going to build outside the regular range of natural disasters where are you going to build? Honest question.
Absolutely a valid question. This is the type of situation that government oversight is necessary to protect the tax base. There should be regulations in risk areas that say you can build here but you have to build a structure that can have the best chance possible to not cost the rest of us a bunch of money to recover. We all should not be force to accept the risk that an individual decides to take.
 
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The exterior cladding matters the most.

I was just watching a story about the slow rebuilding of the Pacific Palisades. They did have some footage of 3 or 4 houses being built out of the 10s that are being worked on. Each house they showed was being wood framed? How can they possibly allow wood framed houses to be built? Not a single cinder block or 3D printed cement house. I am just dumbfounded.

L4 is right. The framing is kinda moot. I live in the heart of fire country. Less than a mile from the busiest smoke jumper base in the country. And my home is at virtually zero risk of wildlife. I pay 1/10th of 1% of my home value for homeowners insurance. It's wood framed as is almost every other hone. ICF is somewhat used but it's for energy efficiency not fire resistance.

There is a 150' tall ponderosa behind my house that could theoretically catch fire (ponderosa pine is extremely fire resistant) and then a 150+ mph wind could blow it over on my house while the tree is burning and crush the sucker letting the wildfire inside the envelope.... But that's like a Sharknado with fire scenario.

My house is built Firewise compliant My yard is crushed granite. My roof is standing seam metal. My exterior walls are a combination of 26 gauge corrugated steel and would plastic composite. All of the exterior envelope outside of two doors and their respective trim is A rated for fire resistance. The propane tank is even buried under an irrigated landscape berm.

If a wildfire burned through my neighborhood my house would need a good wash with a hose, but it would be very difficult for anything to get hot enough to cause anything to ignite in the structure.
 

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My house is built Firewise compliant My yard is crushed granite. My roof is standing seam metal. My exterior walls are a combination of 26 gauge corrugated steel and would plastic composite. All of the exterior envelope outside of two doors and their respective trim is A rated for fire resistance. The propane tank is even buried under an irrigated landscape berm.
Damn, besides being fireproof it sounds like you are prepped and ready in case a Ruby Ridge type situation breaks out. Make sure you booby trap the perimeter.

Don't let em get to ya, PooPops!
 
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Noticed that too. The only saving grace is maybe they are going to cover the wood frame with some type of cement boards or stone facade that will protect the wood structure. But yeah, had it been me, I would have gone with some sort of masonry structure all the way through from inside to out.
Some years ago, I did a lot of work at Edwards AFB and houses were being built cookie-cutter style in Palmdale and Lancaster. The were basically 2x4 framing, something that looked like chicken wire over that, and then stucco. Presumably they insulated between the 2x4s on the inside. The roofs were clay tile. That area is prone to fast moving fires with creosote plants in the high desert.
 
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And at least until a couple years ago if not still now, MS let's homes along the M River collect federal flood damage compensation year after year after year. This was per Paul Gallo and George Flaggs interview back then. They keep flooding and the Feds keep compensating
Had a buddy in college whose family had a house up on stilts right outside (?) the levee near Natchez and his dad would claim flood damage every year on the same structure and personal property. No moral quandary at all.
 

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I'll go ahead and piss some folks off.

Orange Man said that California
would drag their feet on approving the permits, and it looks like he was right.
Truly amazing. Only a genius could come up with that.
 

Villagedawg

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I was just watching a story about the slow rebuilding of the Pacific Palisades. They did have some footage of 3 or 4 houses being built out of the 10s that are being worked on. Each house they showed was being wood framed? How can they possibly allow wood framed houses to be built? Not a single cinder block or 3D printed cement house. I am just dumbfounded.
How long have you known humans?* :) No we do not learn.
"She's really sorry. She wouldn't cheat on me again."
"He really loves me. He was just mad when he hit me."
"If I had split those 10s I would be rich. Ok one more hand."
"My drinking isn't that bad. I can quit anytime I want."

We're even worse in a group.

"THIS politician is different from all those others."
"Hold my beer."
"No way we lose more than 3 games THIS year."
"Wait till next football season. We have some really good players coming in and a great coach."
 

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And at least until a couple years ago if not still now, MS let's homes along the M River collect federal flood damage compensation year after year after year. This was per Paul Gallo and George Flaggs interview back then. They keep flooding and the Feds keep compensating
This may have been true in the past, but the Flood Rating 2.0 which they did a couple of years ago dramatically increased the premiums for flood insurance in high-risk areas. We specifically sold our old house as our flood insurance was going from 2k a year to 18k a year. Insurance rate increases were capped at 18% increase per year until reaching the full amount. So high-risk areas either need to shore up or find a sucker to take it off your hands. I'm not saying some people don't find a way around it, but it's not nearly the terrible program for taxpayers that it used to be.
 
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Absolutely a valid question. This is the type of situation that government oversight is necessary to protect the tax base. There should be regulations in risk areas that say you can build here but you have to build a structure that can have the best chance possible to not cost the rest of us a bunch of money to recover. We all should not be force to accept the risk that an individual decides to take.

I live in the flooded area. I'm still waiting for them to tell me how we can predict floods in the future. I know that they keep saying _____ is at the heart of all our problems, but I recall that the experts who are expected to save us weren't expecting much rain from that system to begin with.
 

johnson86-1

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This may have been true in the past, but the Flood Rating 2.0 which they did a couple of years ago dramatically increased the premiums for flood insurance in high-risk areas. We specifically sold our old house as our flood insurance was going from 2k a year to 18k a year. Insurance rate increases were capped at 18% increase per year until reaching the full amount. So high-risk areas either need to shore up or find a sucker to take it off your hands. I'm not saying some people don't find a way around it, but it's not nearly the terrible program for taxpayers that it used to be.
It's never been a terrible program for taxpayers in the grand scheme of things. There were things that needed to be cleaned up, particularly for some repeat loss properties, but since its establishment in 1968, its lost basically $395M per year. Not great, but basically a pittance in the scheme of the national government. And that accounting ignores that the NFIP has never invested surplus funds like a real insurance company would do.

If you look just since 2005, when it started consistently running deficits, it's cost taxpayers about $1.13B a year. Again, not great, but that's about 4.5% of the cost of farm subsidies each year ($25B).

Another way to put that into perspective is that you if you had $23B, you could pay off the cumulative shortfall the NFIP has incurred in total since 1968, but you couldn't make Mississippi's PERS system fully funded.
 

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It's a tactic. The delay puts financial stress on people who finally give up and sellout. And who will be there to pick up the pieces?
Which is the same "play" and how work requirements for Medicaid health care saves money.
 

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And at least until a couple years ago if not still now, MS let's homes along the M River collect federal flood damage compensation year after year after year. This was per Paul Gallo and George Flaggs interview back then. They keep flooding and the Feds keep compensating
Sounds like homeowners actually learned that the Feds will continue to honor flood policies.
 

ETK99

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L4 is right. The framing is kinda moot. I live in the heart of fire country. Less than a mile from the busiest smoke jumper base in the country. And my home is at virtually zero risk of wildlife. I pay 1/10th of 1% of my home value for homeowners insurance. It's wood framed as is almost every other hone. ICF is somewhat used but it's for energy efficiency not fire resistance.

There is a 150' tall ponderosa behind my house that could theoretically catch fire (ponderosa pine is extremely fire resistant) and then a 150+ mph wind could blow it over on my house while the tree is burning and crush the sucker letting the wildfire inside the envelope.... But that's like a Sharknado with fire scenario.

My house is built Firewise compliant My yard is crushed granite. My roof is standing seam metal. My exterior walls are a combination of 26 gauge corrugated steel and would plastic composite. All of the exterior envelope outside of two doors and their respective trim is A rated for fire resistance. The propane tank is even buried under an irrigated landscape berm.

If a wildfire burned through my neighborhood my house would need a good wash with a hose, but it would be very difficult for anything to get hot enough to cause anything to ignite in the structure.
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