OT: Electric vehicles
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Paywalled article. But there's no doubt that automated driving systems are causing, and will continue to cause accidents. Not just Teslas. Until V2X is ready, it's a technology I'd like to see legislated off public roads.
Driver assistance systems that don't take over driving entirely, but help prod inattentive drivers, or help them "see" behind them in blind spots, or help them "see" at night are all great ideas. Systems that lure drivers into inattentiveness while requiring them to remain alert for when the system screws up flies in the face of human nature and should be prohibited.
The wheels on the bus keep falling off, falling off, falling off. Guess he should've got a yoke.
Maybe he thought he had a yoke and pulled back to see if the car would take off.
Bottom line - the yoke was on him.
Toyota continues to be not serious about EVs. Maybe they will go to the tried and true - Copying others and doing it better and cheaper. At some point. Maybe. In about 10 years.
Meh. Toyota's doing just fine without tripping over itself to do the cool, new thing.
Wake us in 10 years when it's fallen so far behind.
Wake us in 10 years when it's fallen so far behind.
Who are they copying? Who is putting out an all solid estate battery? Why do you think they are not serious.
Solid state batteries will be here within 10 years so the timeline checks out. Makes sense they hold out for this. If they don’t adapt they will be out of business.
Who knows what's gonna happen in the future. Toyota might well wind up having been smarter than the rest.
They're not copying anyone, nor are they innovating on their own. Their market share in Europe and China is plummeting because of a lack of EV offerings. That's the problem and it looks like their shareholders are outraged.
What makes you think they are serious? Making pie in the sky proclamations about 2027? Only recently benchmarking a Model Y? Or perhaps the anti-EV propaganda they've been pushing for years? I'm confused
Toyota is still trying to ride out the EV movement and pray that hydrogen fuel cell vehicles finally take off.
Funny Tesla fan club calling out others for making pie in the sky proclamations.
Lol....ok. Tesla makes EVs. So you believe Toyota is serious about EVs? Surely you don't, but feel compelled to defend them. Odd.
Funny how the their latest proclamation came 1 day before their annual shareholder meeting. Coincidence?
Here's another one from 2017.... Literally the same article from yesterday about their battery "technological breakthrough"
https://www.wsj.com/articles/toyota...kthrough-in-electric-car-batteries-1500985883
Classic Kabuki theater which has nothing to do with Tesla.
They got by with a stellar reputation for reliability for decades. Always amazed me how they could sell so many cars that weren't the least expensive, weren't attractive, weren't out-performing others in any way except that they were reliable for many years.
Now most other brands are pretty reliable and companies like Mazda and Hyundai/Kia are putting out much nicer cars.
Toyota always struck me as being the Japanese Ford, if you will. They're HUGE into fleet sales, both here in the U.S. and abroad. But yeah... have you ever seen a 15 year-old Camry that didn't have peeling paint and trim missing or falling off?
"Tesla killer" makes for good clickbait, but they're not killing anyone. Don't bother opening. When will these articles stop?
https://www.thestreet.com/technology/toyota-announces-its-tesla-killers
https://www.thestreet.com/technology/toyota-announces-its-tesla-killers
When typical readers stop swarming the lowest common denominator like moths to light?"Tesla killer" makes for good clickbait, but they're not killing anyone. Don't bother opening. When will these articles stop?
https://www.thestreet.com/technology/toyota-announces-its-tesla-killers
I’m defending them? Literally responding to Tesla fan club getting worked up by the announcement. The irony.
He's not going to understand the distinction. When people fetishsize something (like a car brand), they often subconsciously project similar thought/behavior onto others to try and resolve the inner conflict caused by knowing that what they're doing is not quite normal.
He thinks we should all view Toyota's position on EVs the same way he does. And when we don't, we must be "defending" Toyota. In his mind, it cannot be that we just don't care and mostly view the cultish attacks on other brands highly mock-worthy.
Worked up? Hardly. Comic relief
They literally made the same solid state battery proclamation 6 years ago. You're the one buying the "news".
Hey dipshit, there's one guy on here who's been correct more than anyone else in predicting how EV disruption will shake out... ME. You and @jtung230 are the tools obsessed with Tesla. I'm talking about Toyota and you 2 donkeys keep dragging Tesla into the conversation.
Toyota is ******. Just like many other industry giants who were slow/reluctant to adapt to disruptive technology. You think they're playing coy with an ace up their sleeve despite being laggards in everything EV related. You'll be wrong....again.
This, right here, is where you lose credibility time and time again.
Toyota isn't "****ed". They are one of the largest car manufacturers on the planet, they produce 10 million vehicles a year, have $286 billion in annual revenue and net assets of almost $600 billion. Companies like Toyota are fully capable of playing "wait and see" with emerging technologies. They'll do some innovation on their own but the reality is that when they feel that market conditions are right they'll make a key acquisition and be totally fine.
Toyota could buy Tesla 10 times over. Companies with that kind of leverage are rarely if ever f*cked.
We get it. No one can do EVs but Tesla. They are the best. Other car makers are jokes. It took Tesla no time at all to mass produce their product. The top 5 selling cars are Toyotas. They are in deep crap.
No disrespect to sedan owners, but not being in the market for them, I don’t much notice sedans in general, especially 15 year old ones. I’m just going off what Consumer reports and some of the other ratings organizations have said over the years. Toyotas always seem to do well on those, although I’m not so sure they’re looking at 15 year old cars for those rankings.
The only Toyota I owned was an MR2 and I blew the engine right around the 10 year mark. Now that I think about it, when the engine blew, there was no rust at all yet. Not garaged. And the car had zero issues up to that point, despite being driven very hard.
OTOH, I did go through lots of brakes and tires.
Thanks for making my point so emphatically. You’re a smart enough guy but you are so wrapped up in your adoration of a brand that you can’t see how it colors everything you post in this thread.
When you attack other brands the way you do, it invites comparison with the brand you promote so vociferously. Which exposes the attacks as hypocrisy. We’re not fixated on Tesla, you are. If you weren’t, you wouldn’t be attacking all the other brands so often across this thread.
No disrespect to sedan owners, but not being in the market for them, I don’t much notice sedans in general, especially 15 year old ones. I’m just going off what Consumer reports and some of the other ratings organizations have said over the years. Toyotas always seem to do well on those, although I’m not so sure they’re looking at 15 year old cars for those rankings.
The only Toyota I owned was an MR2 and I blew the engine right around the 10 year mark. Now that I think about it, when the engine blew, there was no rust at all yet. Not garaged. And the car had zero issues up to that point, despite being driven very hard.
OTOH, I did go through lots of brakes and tires.
I knew a girl, back in the day, who had a new '86 Corolla GTS. That car was insane, for its time.
Succinctly put.
No ... and ....
No.
Although, to be fair, he got the part about me being a dipshit right. As everyone knows, I can totally be a dipshit when I want to be, probably even sometimes when I don't. And I definitely wanted to be a dipshit w/the post to which he was responding.
I tend to prefer "douchebag" but, whatever, I'll answer to either one (along with many other derogatory terms).
Back in the day, Toyota had some great cars. I mean, the original Supra still has a cult following.
OTOH, and I feel like I'm jinxing myself here, the MS3, which I'm now driving a lot more than usual until either the Cayenne or GT3 show up, has been almost 100% bulletproof, reliability-wise. Especially considering the stress it's been regularly put through.
A blown turbo was the only failure since 2011 and that was due to it being pushed way beyond a normal workload for most road cars. Had I driven it like a normal person, it would never have needed replacement.
I really think Mazda is producing some unusually good cars these days, in their quiet way. Mazda and the Hyundai Motor Group are both producing some really good cars as of late.
After watching the recent interview with Jim Farley I am not understanding how you are justifying your positions. He was amazing candid about how far behind the OEM's are from Tesla.
Of course they have an advantage. Tesla has been working on EVs for a long time compared to the others. My position wasn’t about Tesla at all. It was about Toyota. It became Tesla because all the Tesla fan club thinks no one else can do EVs.
How many people are driving 600 miles in a short period of time. Most drive less than 40 miles a day.
Do you really think that you need to go 600 miles in an EV when you're not going 600 miles on a full tank of gas today.