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no they didn't.

ChatGPT doesn't do well with numbers, you need to double-check your data.

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Man, I knew he would get a lot, I didn't know it was that much! Good for him, he deserved every cent.
 
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no they didn't.

ChatGPT doesn't do well with numbers, you need to double-check your data.

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You are on the losing side of this. So what Cnn paid for a defamation suit. Cnn hasn't come out and said in the court of law that they are for entertainment purposes.

Are you really trying to say that Fox didn't pay out a defamation suit (((( and yes I just caught it. 480M)))...(so owned) LOL
Are you trying to say that Fox didn't say that they are an entertainment new source?
 
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The ratings are low because you have a saturated market with 3 guys basically saying the same thing in their monologues provided to them by the DNC. Then they rotate guests that all have the same level of hatred for conservatives.

When you only have 1/2 of the adults that are interested in what they have to say to start with, then you basically divide that limited group by 3, there is no way to maintain enough viewership and sponsors to pay all three $10's of millions per year along with the increased production costs. It is estimated that Colbert was losing $40 million per year, Kimmell basically started losing money in 2023, Fallon is losing the least, but still not profitable. Then you have Gutfeld's show that keeps production costs at about $20 mil per year, his salary is $7 mil per year, but he is on multiple shows. Compared to the other 3 shows, who have production costs in the $100 million range and salaries in the $15-20 million range.

That is how a conservative cable talk show can financially outperform and have more viewers than each of the 3 liberal late night shows. Soon to be 2shows in May 2026.
LOL the DNC. Get out of here with that nonsense. Trump gives them plenty of ammo. They don't need the DNC to bring light to his stupidity or the actions of his pathetic admin.

Ok. Wouldn't argue any of that. I assumed that your original argument was that Gutfelds show was so "high quality" that it brings in more viewers than the others. Not sure either of us made a case one way or the other on this.

I think my understanding from the original post was that you didn't believe that conservative talk shows were getting a fair shake.

Not sure there's anywhere to go from here.
 
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It's impressive how confident you are for someone who is wrong.

I'm going to link these studies now because:

a) I know you're too dumb & lazy to read them
b) I want everyone to see how stupid you are



and by the way, nobody is going to take you seriously when you copy/paste ChatGPT.
I agree with the paper. Their method was sound.

But this is also indicative of sentiment as it were in 2009.

I'd be curious to see this same study conducted again. Neither party resembles their 2009 iterations just 17 years later. The liberals have gone towards open embracement of socialism (say what you like, but in 2009 that was a fringe concept for most democrats) and Republicans have suddenly become the biggest advocates of extensions of the federal governments authority over state and individuals rights.

What I'd give for 2009 reasoning again...
 
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LOL the DNC. Get out of here with that nonsense. Trump gives them plenty of ammo. They don't need the DNC to bring light to his stupidity or the actions of his pathetic admin.

Ok. Wouldn't argue any of that. I assumed that your original argument was that Gutfelds show was so "high quality" that it brings in more viewers than the others. Not sure either of us made a case one way or the other on this.

I think my understanding from the original post was that you didn't believe that conservative talk shows were getting a fair shake.

Not sure there's anywhere to go from here.
There are literally videos out there showing them saying the exact same thing! Also the same thing as the anchors on the news shows. There appears to be one writer and they disseminate to all the talk shows and all the news shows.
 

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There are literally videos out there showing them saying the exact same thing! Also the same thing as the anchors on the news shows. There appears to be one writer and they disseminate to all the talk shows and all the news shows.
What you're describing 100% is true. Your assertion that it's only liberal media doing this is 100% false. Sinclair (definitely NOT liberal leaning) is the largest owner of local television stations in the states. (Sorry - I had to fact check myself - theyre the 2nd largest now) And they issue "must run" directives all the time. You can see the same mash ups from Fox affiliates.
 
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LOL what do you want me to do about it. Arrest Bill and Hillary.

I don't care who gets arrested. Arrest them all. Just stop pretending that Trump is a poor victim, an innocent bystander, a pathetic pawn in the game of politics so to speak.

I do find it interesting that the Clintons are willing to speak about Epstein but only publicly. And the Repubes are against that. Hmmm I wonder why?

Lol

See but Trump.

Please link your claim

Or you are just a liar
 

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LOL what do you want me to do about it. Arrest Bill and Hillary.

I don't care who gets arrested. Arrest them all. Just stop pretending that Trump is a poor victim, an innocent bystander, a pathetic pawn in the game of politics so to speak.

I do find it interesting that the Clintons are willing to speak about Epstein but only publicly. And the Repubes are against that. Hmmm I wonder why?

Do you find it interesting Hillary said they had no dealings with Epstein beyond charities.

Which is a flat out lie.
 

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I agree with the paper. Their method was sound.

But this is also indicative of sentiment as it were in 2009.

I'd be curious to see this same study conducted again. Neither party resembles their 2009 iterations just 17 years later. The liberals have gone towards open embracement of socialism (say what you like, but in 2009 that was a fringe concept for most democrats) and Republicans have suddenly become the biggest advocates of extensions of the federal governments authority over state and individuals rights.

What I'd give for 2009 reasoning again...

You mean 2009 lies. There was no different between the parties then. Can't believe you guys still believe in these BS parties. Both are Satan worshippers. One is a party of degenerates the other idolators.

Both groups are dishonest ASF
 
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You are on the losing side of this. So what Cnn paid for a defamation suit. Cnn hasn't come out and said in the court of law that they are for entertainment purposes.

Are you really trying to say that Fox didn't pay out a defamation suit (((( and yes I just caught it. 480M)))...(so owned) LOL
Are you trying to say that Fox didn't say that they are an entertainment new source?
I don't have a side, because I don't watch Fox News, since I'm not 65 years old.

Unfortunately, I just know more than you do.

Fox argued they are a "forum for spirited debate and opinions," this "entertainment purposes" line came from a meme circulated by boomers on Facebook, which you clearly fell for.

I'm sure you're equally offended by Rachel Maddow arguing that she isn't a legitimate news source when she was hit with a defamation case, right?
 

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You mean 2009 lies. There was no different between the parties then. Can't believe you guys still believe in these BS parties. Both are Satan worshippers. One is a party of degenerates the other idolators.

Both groups are dishonest ASF
I dont know where you got the inference I support either party in that post. If the allegations are true this **** goes back decades.

I was referring to how individuals identify. Liberals in 2009 are not like liberals in 2026. Same for Republicans. And the degree at which both tow the party line in every facet of their daily lives has increased ten fold in the past decade. Everyone sees everything through a lens of politics. And its causing both sides to move their goal posts constantly to where neither party even represents what they claim to represent anymore.

I simply meant what Id give for us to return to a 2009 way of thinking between Americans. They've successfully gotten everyone so wrapped up in left vs right, they're (they being the wealthy and powerful - regardless of political affiliation) free to run rampant doing as they please.

This thread encapsulates that perfectly.
 

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Why would he send that lady to a "nice" prison though? Doesn't that seem odd to anyone?

If 10% of the **** is true, she clearly doesn't belong in a nice prison.

I hope trump is not guilty. I hate the idea of ANYONE doing that **** to kids.
 

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No one on the left has stoked the fears that you have mentioned. In fact all of that is propagated by the Trump regime and the christian right. You've been made to think that all of those things mentioned are liberal productions. They are simply responses to actions taken by the MAGA movement and its sycophants.

Name one thing a left politician has said that stoked fear of Whites, Christians, etc.

It is stunning that you accuse the right of living in a bubble... and then you write this. Amazing. You are showing signs of someone living in a very small, tight bubble.

Do a search of "White Christian Nationalism" and see the DNC-controlled media scaring people - Washington Post, PBS, The New Yorker, Brookings. Congressmen and women from the left spew the same garbage and FEAR - Congressmen Huffman, Talarico, S. Jackson... all spewing hatred about white Christian nationalism and things on the list I provided.

I could spend hours showing you examples - but why spend the time? It's difficult having a discussion with someone who lives in a bubble like you do. If you honestly believe what you wrote that "no one on the left has stoked fears" like this - you are either patently dishonest or ill-informed to a VERY high degree. The left's entire platform is about instilling fear about conservatives, who we are, what we stand for.
 
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Why would he send that lady to a "nice" prison though? Doesn't that seem odd to anyone?

If 10% of the **** is true, she clearly doesn't belong in a nice prison.

I hope trump is not guilty. I hate the idea of ANYONE doing that **** to kids.

There are 1000s of people in the email with credible evidence but Trump.
 

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Why is it we can't talk about current issues or current administration without people bringing up people who are not in office anymore.
Ahhhhh..... FINALLY! Haha - I've been waiting for this gem. When Biden is in office: SILENCE from the left. When Trump is in office "Hey! Forget Biden, the Clintons, Obama - they aren't in office!" It's like clockwork. Dependable.

You should get a job with the mainstream media - you'd fit like a glove. Don't care about Biden sniffing girls hair, touching children, talking about them stroking his leg, showering with his daughter, or the Epstein files. But when Trump gets in...... haha. So predictable.
 
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One of my favorite parts of this thread was watching Tuco provide supporting evidence to Kilgore about late night TV and Kilgore not getting it.... and fighting windmills.

Anyway - Tuco, I hear you that Gutfeld would presumably get the entire conservative audience while the other 3 split the liberal crowd. However.... Gutfeld often beats the 3 shows and their combined ratings:

Gutfeld! frequently dominates in total viewers, often surpassing the combined ratings of major broadcast competitors like The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel Live!, and The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon. By early 2025, Gutfeld! regularly averaged over 3 million viewers, often beating the competition in both total viewers and the crucial 25-54 age demographic, making it a consistent leader in late-night, according to TV Insider.

Not to mention - it doesn't look like the 4 shows are splitting a 50-50 conservative - liberal crowd: Based on 2025 data studies indicate a heavy skew towards liberal viewers, with Democrats and liberals being significantly more likely to watch late-night television than Republicans or independents. A September 2025 AP-NORC poll found that roughly one-third of Democrats regularly watch all or most of a late-night TV show monthly, compared to only about 2 in 10 Republicans or independents.

In other words - Gutfeld is dominating what is likely a heavy liberal audience late night. And it's because the 3 network shows are not funny. They are bitter, angry and extremely partisan (even the CBS lawyers are reeling in Cobert now).
 
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That's because I'm not actually a liberal. Don't mistake my disdain for the "NEW GOP" with liberalism.

No one on the left has stoked the fears that you have mentioned. In fact all of that is propagated by the Trump regime and the christian right. You've been made to think that all of those things mentioned are liberal productions. They are simply responses to actions taken by the MAGA movement and its sycophants.

Name one thing a left politician has said that stoked fear of Whites, Christians, etc. I will give you this. I and many others are fearful of the end game/results of the GOP and ICE. Not because of what some politician said. But because of the actions of those entities.
Hilary has recently stated (paraphrased) that white MAGAS are the biggest threat to our country. She called them "deplorables". Obama accused conservatives of "clinging to their guns and religion." It has been said over and over that white people are the biggest threat to this country by numerous politicians and of course the lovely social media.
 

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Gutfeld has been excellent for a long, long time. If he was a lefty lockstep syncophant he'd be Jon Leibowitz, except funny and thought-provoking.
 

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LOL what do you want me to do about it. Arrest Bill and Hillary.

I don't care who gets arrested. Arrest them all. Just stop pretending that Trump is a poor victim, an innocent bystander, a pathetic pawn in the game of politics so to speak.

I do find it interesting that the Clintons are willing to speak about Epstein but only publicly. And the Repubes are against that. Hmmm I wonder why?
Not pretending anything - where is the evidence. Just talking about it proves nothing, a picture or two proves nothing, If they did, Bill and Hillary would be in prison.

I would venture to guess the reason they don't want Clintons to speak publicly is because they lie every time their lips move and once its out there, you can't get it back. Bill lied about his women, paid them off and lied about Monica under oath but we at least have an idea of what is is now. Hilary lied about her email server, Russia gate and whines about losing the election to Trump. I wouldn't give them the opportunity to put on a show for the world to see and extend lies that those loyal sniffers would follow to the bitter end. I am convinced that Hilary is completely unable to speak the truth. BTW, whatever happened to the health care plan she was supposed to be working on? Are we still waiting on it?
 

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I think the arrest of Prince Andrew is a deflection. Is he even being charged with anything related to the files?

They said conduct as a public official. That could mean a lot of things.

They have no political power, so how can he be charged with that?
 

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Come to this thread every few days to see if the pedo defenders are still saying that poor Trump is being victimized and that it is everyone else’s fault. And that the files that Trump said didn’t exist because they were a “Democrat hoax” now only point at Clinton. You same people that can clearly see Rhule as a liar and fraud are completely blind to the biggest liar and fraud this country has ever seen. Carry on! The self delusion is incredibly fascinating to behold! I’m sure there will be studies commissioned to understand how people still wholeheartedly support a proven liar and adulterer and convicted felon who was also found guilty of sexual assault that was best friends with a pedo for 20 years.
 

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I think the arrest of Prince Andrew is a deflection. Is he even being charged with anything related to the files?

They said conduct as a public official. That could mean a lot of things.

They have no political power, so how can he be charged with that?
They are clearly hanging that dude out to dry. Not that he doesn't deserve it but he is clearly the scapegoat.
 

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Come to this thread every few days to see if the pedo defenders are still saying that poor Trump is being victimized and that it is everyone else’s fault. And that the files that Trump said didn’t exist because they were a “Democrat hoax” now only point at Clinton. You same people that can clearly see Rhule as a liar and fraud are completely blind to the biggest liar and fraud this country has ever seen. Carry on! The self delusion is incredibly fascinating to behold! I’m sure there will be studies commissioned to understand how people still wholeheartedly support a proven liar and adulterer and convicted felon who was also found guilty of sexual assault that was best friends with a pedo for 20 years.


...no offense but, we think you're really stupid too, for falling for the Trump is a pedo hoax. Ya prolly fell for the Russia collusion hoax and laptop disinformation lies too... ya'll seem like really gullible conspiracy theorists.
 
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Come to this thread every few days to see if the pedo defenders are still saying that poor Trump is being victimized and that it is everyone else’s fault. And that the files that Trump said didn’t exist because they were a “Democrat hoax” now only point at Clinton. You same people that can clearly see Rhule as a liar and fraud are completely blind to the biggest liar and fraud this country has ever seen. Carry on! The self delusion is incredibly fascinating to behold! I’m sure there will be studies commissioned to understand how people still wholeheartedly support a proven liar and adulterer and convicted felon who was also found guilty of sexual assault that was best friends with a pedo for 20 years.
I like how some people can't even SORT of think he might have done something bad. Like, they can't even make that tiny possible connection.
 
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I like how some people can't even SORT of think he might have done something bad. Like, they can't even make that tiny possible connection.
So if someone states Clinton was on the island and might have done something bad, 2 verified sources are needed to prove this or it is a lie. But for Trump, no proof needed, just a dislike for the man. Typical double standard.
 

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So if someone states Clinton was on the island and might have done something bad, 2 verified sources are needed to prove this or it is a lie. But for Trump, no proof needed, just a dislike for the man. Typical double standard.
Clinton is willing to testify publicly under oath. Is Trump? Nope. Trump said the files were a hoax with nothing in them to sustain charges. So was he lying about that? You must believe so if you think there is evidence against Clinton.
 
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Keep in mind that Fox paid out a large sum (780B) for defamation and inaccuracies.
Are you really trying to say that Fox didn't pay out a defamation suit (((( and yes I just caught it. 480M)))...(so owned) LOL
Because I have the time, I'm going to point out that $480MM** is less than 1 percent of $780B.

If your house was appraised at $500,000 and then you received an offer for $300, I'm sure you would appreciate the difference in scale.
 
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