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Postman_1

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Did a blanket spray of Propiconazole on Monday evening. It sat on the grass until rain arrived Wednesday morning. I see a few spots that look like fungus. It’s my first time using the Propiconazole as I wanted to switch it up. I used Scott’s disease X in the past.
 
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Did a blanket spray of Propiconazole on Monday evening. It sat on the grass until rain arrived Wednesday morning. I see a few spots that look like fungus. It’s my first time using the Propiconazole as I wanted to switch it up. I used Scott’s disease X in the past.
What appears to be a fungus is spreading on all the lawns around me including mine. Popped up in less than 2 weeks. Never seen it before, nor sure what to do about it
 

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What appears to be a fungus is spreading on all the lawns around me including mine. Popped up in less than 2 weeks. Never seen it before, nor sure what to do about it
A fungus is what destroyed my lawn last year (missed by the lawn service team). Definitely want to get on it fast. Got some fungus growing on arborvitaes this year ..crap never stops anymore.
 

Postman_1

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Sprayed some Feature 6-0-0 this morning on the lawn. I used it for the iron content. I was reading though that they changed there formula on it and now it only contains 0.5% chelated Iron and 9.5% water soluble Iron. The old packages showed 10% chelated Iron. Does anyone have any experience with this stuff?




 
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I just discovered this guy on Sunday. So far I am really liking his content. He has a PhD in soil fertility and turfgrass nutrition. He has written many articles on turfgrass and it's response to all types of fertilizers. He also rips a lot of popular products that people on YouTube promote. He explains why a lot of the stuff is junk. Give him a listen.

 
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Tons of fungus this year due to all the rain, as others have mentioned. I think I posted in thisthread a couple years ago about rotating fungicide and which products are in which groups. Good luck everybody! By the way, fungicides work best as preventative measures. You might start the first week of May or even late April and then rotate.
 
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Knight Shift

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Planning on applying a second application of Lesco next week to keep the crabgrass away for the rest of this year.
Same for me, but with Jonathan Green product, the first application has kept 99% of the weeds at bay. Have a couple of small patches of clover on edges of the lawn, which is no big deal.
 
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Planning on applying a second application of Lesco next week to keep the crabgrass away for the rest of this year.
I’ll do my second application this week. I also do an application in late august or early September (if I’m not overseeding) for winter annual weeds and grassy weeds (.e.g., Poa annua).
 

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Same for me, but with Jonathan Green product, the first application has kept 99% of the weeds at bay. Have a couple of small patches of clover on edges of the lawn, which is no big deal.
Just double check your label. Most preemergents provide coverage for 3 to4 months (depending on application rate) so you maybe toward the end of your coverage. Also, I think you and me both battle Poa annua so an early fall application would help there.
 
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Just double check your label. Most preemergents provide coverage for 3 to4 months (depending on application rate) so you maybe toward the end of your coverage. Also, I think you and me both battle Poa annua so an early fall application would help there.
Im starting to get over PDS or POA Derangement Syndrome. It disappeared quite quickly in May, and I may to learn to live with it.
 
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Postman_1

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Tons of fungus this year due to all the rain, as others have mentioned. I think I posted in thisthread a couple years ago about rotating fungicide and which products are in which groups. Good luck everybody! By the way, fungicides work best as preventative measures. You might start the first week of May or even late April and then rotate.
Yeah I'm not waiting next year. It is going down in April no matter what. Every year by mid May I start to notice it. This year is the worst so far for me.
 
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Had parts of my lawn ripped up and reseeded by the gas company when they did some line work and moved my meter from inside to outside (after moving it from outside to inside a few years back, lol). So I put down a fertilizer and pre-emergent formulated for seeding. Now I have patches of lawn where some blades are literally turning bright white. Does that mean the grass is dying? Injured or damaged and will repair itself?
 

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Had parts of my lawn ripped up and reseeded by the gas company when they did some line work and moved my meter from inside to outside (after moving it from outside to inside a few years back, lol). So I put down a fertilizer and pre-emergent formulated for seeding. Now I have patches of lawn where some blades are literally turning bright white. Does that mean the grass is dying? Injured or damaged and will repair itself?
It just means they are afraid of you.

Be nicer. Introduce yourself...."Hello lawn."
 

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I put down a fertilizer and pre-emergent formulated for seeding. Now I have patches of lawn where some blades are literally turning bright white. Does that mean the grass is dying? Injured or damaged and will repair itself?

My guess is your product contains Mesotrione. One of the ways Mesotrione works is by disturbing chlorophyll, which leads to some plants looking bleached. From the Scotts label for their Pre-emergent made for seeding:

"This product may cause temporary whitening of grass foliage. Symptoms typically appear 5 to 7 days after application and may last up to 14 days. Discoloration is most common on ryegrass."

On a different note - I've never had to deal with a lawn fungus before, so I spent the last hour combing through TKR lawn threads and @phs73rc77gsm83 's posts. Such a great resource! I've linked the 2022 fungus post below in case it helps anyone else:

Scott’s Diseasex has the active ingredient of azoxystrobin. It is very good. Used based on the label you won’t damage your lawn. You should alternate “classes” of fungicides to guard against resistance. Here is a great reference from Rutgers.

 

Postman_1

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Spot sprayed some SpeedZone mixed with Ortho CCO this morning. My neighbor has creeping Charlie that always starts spreading into my lawn. Every year it seems to happen as they do nothing at all for there lawn of weeds.

Also sprayed some Taurus SC around the perimeter of my house again, and all around my grill and were the propane tank goes. I was putting the cover on the grill on Monday and a black widow was about 6" from my hand. I killed that one and that's why I decided to spray the Tuarus (fipronil) today.
 

Knight Shift

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Spot sprayed some SpeedZone mixed with Ortho CCO this morning. My neighbor has creeping Charlie that always starts spreading into my lawn. Every year it seems to happen as they do nothing at all for there lawn of weeds.

Also sprayed some Taurus SC around the perimeter of my house again, and all around my grill and were the propane tank goes. I was putting the cover on the grill on Monday and a black widow was about 6" from my hand. I killed that one and that's why I decided to spray the Tuarus (fipronil) today.
I have a dog Creepy Charlie next door. Relentlessly barks and the owner does nothing. Will that spray work on him?
 
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Knight Shift

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It's back-the greatest thread on Knight Report.

Just figured out the Spyker spreader I bought from Amazon is an Ice Melt Spreader. I bought the right one, but the vendor sent the wrong one. I was going to ask for a refund, but realized the Ice Melt spreader is more robust and has more features than the fertilizer spreader, and cost $150 more. I got the ice melt spreader for $50 less than retail on Amazon.
 
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Postman_1

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Spot sprayed some Ortho CCO and Speedzone this morning. My summer weeds are worse this year then years past. In the spring I did not use my spray Prodiamine as it was expired. I picked up a bag of granular Lesco with Dimension that did not seem to work as good. I will be buying some more Prodiamine soon. What weeds I have are worse the closer you get to my neighbors yards and near concrete areas.
 

RobertG

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My lawn is a mess. Had a work done in my yard which left bare spots that are now overgrown with crab grass and weeds. I want reseed/overseed this fall.

1) What should I do now to prepare?
2) When should I seed in the fall?
3) How do I prepare to seed in the fall?

Thanks in advance.
 

RobertG

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My lawn is a mess. Had a work done in my yard which left bare spots that are now overgrown with crab grass and weeds. I want reseed/overseed this fall.

1) What should I do now to prepare?
2) When should I seed in the fall?
3) How do I prepare to seed in the fall?

Thanks in advance.
I just asked Grok the same question and this was the answer? Is the AI correct?


Reseeding or overseeding your lawn in Monmouth County, NJ, to address bare spots and weeds like crabgrass is a great plan, especially in the fall when conditions are ideal for grass seed germination. Here’s a concise guide to your questions:1) What should I do now to prepare?To prepare your lawn now (mid-summer, July 2025) for fall seeding:
  • Control Weeds:
    • Apply a selective herbicide to target crabgrass and broadleaf weeds. Use a product containing quinclorac for crabgrass or a broad-spectrum herbicide for other weeds. Follow label instructions and wait 4-6 weeks before seeding to avoid harming new grass.
    • Alternatively, manually pull weeds, ensuring you remove roots to prevent regrowth.
  • Mow Regularly: Keep your lawn mowed to 2.5-3 inches to reduce stress on existing grass and prevent weeds from spreading seeds.
  • Improve Soil Health:
    • Test your soil pH (kits available at garden centers or through Rutgers Cooperative Extension). Aim for a pH of 6.0-7.0. If needed, apply lime to raise pH or sulfur to lower it, but do this now to allow time for soil adjustment.
    • Aerate compacted areas with a core aerator to improve soil drainage and root growth. Do this closer to seeding (late summer/early fall) for best results.
  • Water Sparingly: Water lightly to maintain existing grass but avoid overwatering, which encourages weed growth.
  • Clear Debris: Remove any debris, rocks, or leftover materials from the yard work to create a clean surface.
2) When should I seed in the fall?In Monmouth County, NJ (USDA Zone 7a), the ideal time to overseed is early to mid-September (around September 1-15, 2025). This timing allows:
  • Soil temperatures (50-65°F) ideal for cool-season grasses like tall fescue, Kentucky bluegrass, or perennial ryegrass, which are suitable for your area.
  • Cooler air temperatures and increased moisture to promote germination without summer heat stress.
  • Enough time (6-8 weeks) for grass to establish before the first frost (typically mid-November).
If you miss this window, late August or early October can work, but avoid seeding too late (after mid-October) as cold temperatures may slow germination.3) How do I prepare to seed in the fall?In late August/early September, take these steps to prepare for seeding:
  • Mow Low: Cut the lawn to 1.5-2 inches to reduce competition and allow seed contact with soil.
  • Remove Debris and Dead Grass: Rake or dethatch to clear thatch (over ½ inch thick) and expose bare soil in patchy areas.
  • Aerate: Use a core aerator to loosen soil, especially in bare spots, to improve seed-to-soil contact and water penetration.
  • Apply Starter Fertilizer: Use a fertilizer high in phosphorus (e.g., 10-20-10) to promote root growth. Follow soil test recommendations or apply 1 lb of nitrogen per 1,000 sq ft.
  • Choose the Right Seed: Select a cool-season grass blend suited for NJ, such as tall fescue (durable, drought-tolerant) or a mix with Kentucky bluegrass and perennial ryegrass for better texture and color. Check with local garden centers or Rutgers Extension for regionally adapted varieties.
  • Seed Application:
    • Spread seed evenly using a broadcast spreader at the recommended rate (e.g., 5-10 lbs per 1,000 sq ft for tall fescue, depending on whether overseeding or reseeding bare areas).
    • For bare spots, lightly rake seed into the soil (1/8 inch deep) and consider applying a thin layer of compost or topsoil to protect seeds.
  • Water Consistently: After seeding, keep the soil moist (not soggy) with light, frequent watering (1-2 times daily) for 2-3 weeks until germination.
  • Avoid Disturbance: Limit foot traffic on newly seeded areas to prevent soil compaction or seed displacement.
Additional Tips:
  • Post-Seeding Care: Once grass reaches 3 inches, mow lightly, and apply a follow-up fertilizer 6-8 weeks after seeding to encourage growth.
  • Weed Control After Seeding: Avoid herbicides for 6-8 weeks after seeding to protect young grass. Hand-pull any new weeds.
  • Local Resources: Contact the Rutgers Cooperative Extension of Monmouth County (732-431-7260 or monmouth.njaes.rutgers.edu) for soil testing or specific seed recommendations.
By starting weed control and soil prep now, timing your seeding for early September, and following through with proper preparation and care, you’ll set your lawn up for a lush, healthy recovery by spring. Let me know if you need help with specific products or further details!
 
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I need to apply a second helping of Ortho CCO this coming weekend. I hit the bad spots with it 2 weeks back, all the weeds were in pain, but now the survivors are starting to stand up & green up again. Especially the violets.

I also have a crabgrass issue this year. The light pole in front of my house blew down in a spring storm, and PSE&G did a jailhouse dentist job of removing it (still haven't replaced it either). But they unearthed some old crabgrass seeds and they're loving life.

For now.
 

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This may be the opposite of lawn care but has anyone done a wildflower patch? any tips for fall planting or blend suggestions? I let a couple small patches go to meadow this year and want to add wildflowers for next year.
 
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This may be the opposite of lawn care but has anyone done a wildflower patch? any tips for fall planting or blend suggestions? I let a couple small patches go to meadow this year and want to add wildflowers for next year.
Haven't done it, but have thought of it many times. I like your thinking concerning "lawn"! My "lawn" is green, mowed and edged weekly. Chemical free.
 

Knight Shift

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Historic year for crabgrass in 2025
I feel better. Have some, not a a real lot, and I did not even put down my June weed and feed yet. Been hard to get that applied between all the rain and lawn cutting. This week. Maybe too late, but whatever.
 

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This may be the opposite of lawn care but has anyone done a wildflower patch? any tips for fall planting or blend suggestions? I let a couple small patches go to meadow this year and want to add wildflowers for next year.
My son tried, but we did not keep after it, and they all died. Have no idea what the seed mix was, but we were not diligent about watering and care.
 
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With all the heat I just let my lawn go dormant this summer. I wasn't going to try & fight it. Once this early week heat blast passes I'll get back into the game a bit. Throw down some slow release low N fert, attack the nutsedge, and 2nd dose of CCO. I had one patch of grass out front that was going from dormancy to Colonel's Extra Crispy so I gave it some special attention.
 
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Knight Shift

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Lack of rain and heat starting to brown up a lot of lawns I’m seeing. My backyard is suffering from it. Trying to keep the front mostly green. I’ve been watering decently, hopefully we get some rain soon
Generally, mine is fine. Well pump died on me, but got a great company to replace it quickly. But I do have in some areas small patches of brown, where the lawn with green and brown looks like the hose of a cow. Not sure why that is happening.
 

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It is almost reseeding time, I’m hopeful we don’t have a repeat of lasts year‘s fall drought. I put in a lot of work but the lack of any rain for so long produced poor results.

@phs73rc77gsm83 … can you provide a bit of advice … 1) I know you use a backpack sprayer, I have about 1/2 acre I need to cover what model do you recommend? 2) do you recommend aeration and a broadleaf weed killer application at this time of year prior to reseeding? Thanks again for your insight.
 

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It is almost reseeding time, I’m hopeful we don’t have a repeat of lasts year‘s fall drought. I put in a lot of work but the lack of any rain for so long produced poor results.

@phs73rc77gsm83 … can you provide a bit of advice … 1) I know you use a backpack sprayer, I have about 1/2 acre I need to cover what model do you recommend? 2) do you recommend aeration and a broadleaf weed killer application at this time of year prior to reseeding? Thanks again for your insighti
I use a better powered sprayer, My Four Sons you get get online. Love it! I wouldn’t use a broad leaf h3rbicid herbicide if your are seeding soon.i rarely aerate. Some do often others feel it bringz up weed seed-two schools of thought. Good luck!
 
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I use a better powered sprayer, My Four Sons you get get online. Love it! I wouldn’t use a broad leaf h3rbicid herbicide if your are seeding soon.i rarely aerate. Some do often others feel it bringz up weed seed-two schools of thought. Good luck!
Years ago, I aerated, and the weeds loves it. Never again
 
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Generally, mine is fine. Well pump died on me, but got a great company to replace it quickly. But I do have in some areas small patches of brown, where the lawn with green and brown looks like the hose of a cow. Not sure why that is happening.
the correct term is frog eye
 
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