OT: Good news for Brandon.

[johnson86-1]

I'm just telling facts. Residential customers will be on the hook for the upgrades to substations and generation plants because Entergy add those costs to the rate base. Why do you think the president of Entergy MS is in an all out propaganda war with the Northside Sun journalist that uncovered this fiasco. Sorry you're to bias too see it.

You can't trust Emerick on this. It's certainly possible to subsidize industrial or commercial electricity by over charging residential users, but that's not usually the direction the subsidy flows because of politics.

Data centers don't have the best load profile for summer peaking utilities (I think their peak demand is usually around mid to late afternoon, I guess a combination of a lot of IT work from businesses and daytime heat driving demand associated with cooling), but it's generally a better load profile than residential, which has a relatively lower baseload demand compared to its peak.

A lot of people also make an argument that depends on attributing the cost of new generation capacity to new load, which is not a crazy position but it's also not obviously the correct one. I think it's just as reasonable a position to treat new load and existing load as equally responsible for the cost of capacity. Existing users don't have any claim to existing capacity and it's perfectly reasonable for the cost of electricity to be born by consumers on the same basis regardless of when they started pulling power from the grid.

 

[Shmuley]

You can't trust Emerick on this. It's certainly possible to subsidize industrial or commercial electricity by over charging residential users, but that's not usually the direction the subsidy flows because of politics.

Data centers don't have the best load profile for summer peaking utilities (I think their peak demand is usually around mid to late afternoon, I guess a combination of a lot of IT work from businesses and daytime heat driving demand associated with cooling), but it's generally a better load profile than residential, which has a relatively lower baseload demand compared to its peak.

A lot of people also make an argument that depends on attributing the cost of new generation capacity to new load, which is not a crazy position but it's also not obviously the correct one. I think it's just as reasonable a position to treat new load and existing load as equally responsible for the cost of capacity. Existing users don't have any claim to existing capacity and it's perfectly reasonable for the cost of electricity to be born by consumers on the same basis regardless of when they started pulling power from the grid.

The other thing Emerick can't possibly know: the details of the agreement between Entergy and AWS regarding the cost of the power being supplied and how that relates to Entergy's regulatory requirements. Emerick can't possibly know $h!+ about that. So, he assumes that the agreement is "bad" without knowing $h!+.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Now, if we apply that same “supply & demand” principle to the ENORMOUS amount of energy and water that’s going to be demanded by these data centers, then it stands to reason that the price of water and electricity for everybody that uses the same supply will go up.

I believe utilities are regulated, which really means the price will just go up more slowly. But assuredly it will go up.

Also, if Tate and the MDA wanted to do something really impressive, they would get a major corporation to relocate its headquarters to Mississippi. I don’t mean some little 100 job operation either. I mean a legit “thousands of jobs” corporate headquarters.

No doubt about it, but much easier said than done. Can't seem to get past that inflection point where we have the talent necessary to get those wins to start cascading on each other.

Plus - the only place we could ever hope to have that level of talent in the near future would be the Jackson Metro with its 600K population - and we know how the state and most of its people feel about that. Heck most of our chances to ever even have that homegrown quickly sell out or move out of state.

So I guess at the end of the day you take what you can get.

 

[TaleofTwoDogs]

incorrect. You believe what you want. I'm intimately involved in several of these. I don't speak from an outsider's standpoint. There will be a lot of things done outside the box on these data centers. Things that break the mold. You'll just have to wait and see. It's not like your sky screaming will stop them from coming. People a lot smarter than you are driving this ship.

The smartest part of your post is "you'll just have to wait and see". No disrespect for your insider status but to take a government negotiated project at face value is not a very prudent action, especially when that government entity is a economically starved state like Mississippi. I hope all the citizen impacted gotchas have been vetted and data center projects are a win-win arrangement.

 

[mstateglfr]

I wonder who Mississippi politicians will blame?***

They will blame Andre, since he wronged the daughter of Jackson MS...or was it the daugther of Ms Jackson.

 

[mstateglfr]

Mississippi must be getting the real fancy like data centers. The ones up by me definitely consume a 17ton of water, like a concerning amount, and use a 17ton of energy.

Microsoft Azure, Apple, and Meta are all here with multiple facilities each, along with a ton of smaller like US Signal, LightEdge, Cologix, etc.
The Azure facility is one of the largest in the world right now and is one of 5 Microsoft facilities that exist on the far edges of my town. Microsoft used 2.1MM gallons of water a few months ago in May.
From April '24 to March '25, Microsoft was the largest user of water in my town.

A few of the Microsoft facilities are 10-13 years old, but even the ones that are 0-3 years old are using a 17ton of water.
One is being built right now and wont use 'closed loop zero waste cooling technology'.




Our water quality is so terrible that if data centers can handle unhealthy high nitrate filled water, then thats just less unhealthy water that the rest of us have to drink!**

 

[Darryl Steight]

especially when that government entity is a economically starved state like Mississippi.

I think the state has had at least 3 budget surplus years in a row, with a roughly $700M surplus last year, so we ain't that po' no mo'.

 

[Shmuley]

I think the state has had at least 3 budget surplus years in a row, with a roughly $700M surplus last year, so we ain't that po' no mo'.

Unfortunately, when Congress passed its clawback package, it put Mississippi's medicaid reimbursement squarely in the crosshairs. And that sucked the life out of the state surplus. Hence why the legislature dropped the 17n hammer on local projects last April. If Medicaid reimbursement is permanently curtailed, wave bye bye to any surplus going forward.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

Signs & Wonders: a $6,000,000,000.00 project will result in 60 direct jobs.

Well it's a data center so. Lots of data but not many employees direct I would imagine. Contracts for building the thing. Who knows if it's local. Contracts for maintenance. Maybe a few day to day for networking hardware upkeep maintenance. Then a lot of the rest can be done remotely to run software data science analytics.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

That is a legitimate concern that I hope is being taken into account. A NYT article about a GA data center and H2O: Meta and Water

Similar one on Louisiana right now

 

[HotMop]

The water is my concern. I can't help but think these companies are laughing at our willingness to trade natural resources for $$$s. Other than eyesore/visibility, I see little difference in potentially ruining water tables vs farmland. I'm not read in enough to know that we aren't giving that proper consideration, I've just seen enough articles related to negative impact on water sources from places that have a number of data centers in place and are not approving any more.

Don't fear monger prematurely, the data centers know the concerns and are working on solutions. Water costs money and they prefer not to spend it.

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[HotMop]

If you run out of water, I hope it's under a Democrats rule so you can properly allay blame for the situation.

I always prefer the water of a Democrat controlled city.

Sincerely,
Residents of Flint, MI and Jackson, MS

 

[dorndawg]

Well it's a data center so. Lots of data but not many employees direct I would imagine. Contracts for building the thing. Who knows if it's local. Contracts for maintenance. Maybe a few day to day for networking hardware upkeep maintenance. Then a lot of the rest can be done remotely to run software data science analytics.

Even still, $100 million a job? What are we even doing anymore?

 

[HotMop]

That guy needs to focus on sodding his own yard first.

Army worms.

 

[johnson86-1]

Unfortunately, when Congress passed its clawback package, it put Mississippi's medicaid reimbursement squarely in the crosshairs. And that sucked the life out of the state surplus. Hence why the legislature dropped the 17n hammer on local projects last April. If Medicaid reimbursement is permanently curtailed, wave bye bye to any surplus going forward.

I think those surplus's were all dependent on ignoring PERS anyway. Not that the Medicaid reimbursement isn't a big deal also, but unless and until people will admit we are going to screw PERS participants (well, not sure it really counts as screwing for any accruals earned in the last 25 years as it's been clear we're dependent on a miracle to pay the promised benefits), it seems absurd to me to say we're running surpluses.

 

[TaleofTwoDogs]

I think the state has had at least 3 budget surplus years in a row, with a roughly $700M surplus last year, so we ain't that po' no mo'.

Let's play compare the budgets: MISS - pop 2.9M budget $7.85B, ARK - pop 3.1M budget $6.30B, KANSAS Pop 2.9M budget $9.80B, NEVADA - POP 3.2M budget $26.60B, IOWA - Pop 3.2M budget $9.42B.

Mississippi has the second lowest budget of the five states that have approximately three million residents. Having a budget surplus is not always a good thing as a small budget or understated budget can mean underspending in critical areas such as education or in a worse case scenario mismanagement of the budget. By most national metrics a < $8B budget is not ideal for a state of 3 million and most comparative state budget data bears that out.

 

[FrontRangeDawg]

I think those surplus's were all dependent on ignoring PERS anyway. Not that the Medicaid reimbursement isn't a big deal also, but unless and until people will admit we are going to screw PERS participants (well, not sure it really counts as screwing for any accruals earned in the last 25 years as it's been clear we're dependent on a miracle to pay the promised benefits), it seems absurd to me to say we're running surpluses.

It's screwing all state employees (even in the last 25 years) because they're required to pay a large portion of their pay into the system that could otherwise be going into other retirement.

 

[johnson86-1]

It's screwing all state employees (even in the last 25 years) because they're required to pay a large portion of their pay into the system that could otherwise be going into other retirement.

If you believe that money would have otherwise gone to them, then yes, they got screwed. But the contribution has gotten so absurd trying to cover for past underfunding, I don't think that's the case. I don't think anybody views PERS as worth 27% of their total compensation or whatever it's up to now.

 

[J-Dawg]

I don't think Brandon is service by Entergy anymore. There are two, Delta Utilites (not sure if they merge or one bought the other) and Southern Pine. I don't know which company service that part of Brandon. I'll say this Entergy might service that part of Brandon. I am service by Delta and I live in East Brandon.

Brandon is in Entergy's service area. Entergy is ultimately responsible. Southern Pine is just a distribution Co-op that gets their power from Entergy.

 

[HRMSU]

I just hope my redneck brethren build some access tunnels into this thing so we can go all Red Dawn on them when SkyNet takes over. Leave a dang trap door into that thingamajig!

 

[Shmuley]

Brandon is in Entergy's service area. Entergy is ultimately responsible. Southern Pine is just a distribution Co-op that gets their power from Entergy MISO

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