OT: Happy International Day of Heavy Metal

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As a teenager in the late 60s with older brothers and the record player constantly on.
I have a hard time calling Zeppelin, Cream, Hendrix, The Who etc.. heavy metal.
To me it was hard rock, there’s a big difference imo.
Humble Pie was hard rock, not heavy metal
 
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As a teenager in the late 60s with older brothers and the record player constantly on.
I have a hard time calling Zeppelin, Cream, Hendrix, The Who etc.. heavy metal.
To me it was hard rock, to me there’s a big difference
Humble Pie was hard rock, not heavy metal
Fair enough...hard rock and heavy metal are about the same to me. Zep and The Who were definitely more than heavy metal, but when they hammered metal nobody did it better imho.
 
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As a teenager in the late 60s with older brothers and the record player constantly on.
I have a hard time calling Zeppelin, Cream, Hendrix, The Who etc.. heavy metal.
To me it was hard rock, there’s a big difference imo.
Humble Pie was hard rock, not heavy metal

Black Sabbath was heavy metal.
 
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Really thinking more along the lines of heavy metal music, or songs, I wouldn't classify Zep or The Who as heavy metal bands. With Zep for example, Whole Lotta Love, Immigrant Song, Black Dog, The Ocean are some of their heavy metal songs imo; Rock and Roll, Good Times Bad Times, Bring It on Home, Communication Breakdown, Misty Mountain Hop are among their classic hard rock songs. Of course there could be overlap, beauty is in the ear of the beholder.

Anyway, enjoy your favorite heavy metal hard rock music today. #CrankItUp
 
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As a teenager in the late 60s with older brothers and the record player constantly on.
I have a hard time calling Zeppelin, Cream, Hendrix, The Who etc.. heavy metal.
To me it was hard rock, there’s a big difference imo.
Humble Pie was hard rock, not heavy metal
As someone who is a huge fan of all hard rock, "heavy," heavy metal", "grunge" and raucous punk rock, the lines/categories get blurred.

Wikipedia does a decent job of breaking down what heavy metal is and the origins. Some say the Beatles' song Helter Skelter was the first heavy metal song. I would not agree.

As with all things related to music and art, opinions will vary.

I agree with you that not all Black Sabbath is necessarily "heavy metal."

Wikipedia's take:

"With roots in blues rock, psychedelic rock and acid rock, heavy metal bands developed a thick, monumental sound characterized by distorted guitars, extended guitar solos, emphatic beats and loudness.

In 1968, three of the genre's most famous pioneers – British bands Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Deep Purple – were founded."

"The first use of "heavy metal" in a song lyric is in reference to a motorcycle in the Steppenwolf song "Born to Be Wild", also released that year:[94] "I like smoke and lightning / Heavy metal thunder / Racin' with the wind / And the feelin' that I'm under"."

An early documented use of the phrase in rock criticism appears in Sandy Pearlman's February 1967 Crawdaddy review of the Rolling Stones' Got Live If You Want It (1966), albeit as a description of the sound rather than as a genre: "On this album the Stones go metal. Technology is in the saddle—as an ideal and as a method."[95][nb 1] Another appears in the 11 May 1968 issue of Rolling Stone, in which Barry Gifford wrote about the album A Long Time Comin' by U.S. band Electric Flag: "Nobody who's been listening to Mike Bloomfield—either talking or playing—in the last few years could have expected this. This is the new soul music, the synthesis of white blues and heavy metal rock."[97] In the 7 September 1968 edition of the Seattle Daily Times, reviewer Susan Schwartz wrote that the Jimi Hendrix Experience "has a heavy-metals blues sound".


 

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As someone who is a huge fan of all hard rock, "heavy," heavy metal", "grunge" and raucous punk rock, the lines/categories get blurred.

Wikipedia does a decent job of breaking down what heavy metal is and the origins. Some say the Beatles' song Helter Skelter was the first heavy metal song. I would not agree.

As with all things related to music and art, opinions will vary.

I agree with you that not all Black Sabbath is necessarily "heavy metal."

Wikipedia's take:

"With roots in blues rock, psychedelic rock and acid rock, heavy metal bands developed a thick, monumental sound characterized by distorted guitars, extended guitar solos, emphatic beats and loudness.

In 1968, three of the genre's most famous pioneers – British bands Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Deep Purple – were founded."

"The first use of "heavy metal" in a song lyric is in reference to a motorcycle in the Steppenwolf song "Born to Be Wild", also released that year:[94] "I like smoke and lightning / Heavy metal thunder / Racin' with the wind / And the feelin' that I'm under"."

An early documented use of the phrase in rock criticism appears in Sandy Pearlman's February 1967 Crawdaddy review of the Rolling Stones' Got Live If You Want It (1966), albeit as a description of the sound rather than as a genre: "On this album the Stones go metal. Technology is in the saddle—as an ideal and as a method."[95][nb 1] Another appears in the 11 May 1968 issue of Rolling Stone, in which Barry Gifford wrote about the album A Long Time Comin' by U.S. band Electric Flag: "Nobody who's been listening to Mike Bloomfield—either talking or playing—in the last few years could have expected this. This is the new soul music, the synthesis of white blues and heavy metal rock."[97] In the 7 September 1968 edition of the Seattle Daily Times, reviewer Susan Schwartz wrote that the Jimi Hendrix Experience "has a heavy-metals blues sound".


I always thought "Heavy Metal Thunder" refered to motorcycle riding.
 
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As someone who is a huge fan of all hard rock, "heavy," heavy metal", "grunge" and raucous punk rock, the lines/categories get blurred.

Wikipedia does a decent job of breaking down what heavy metal is and the origins. Some say the Beatles' song Helter Skelter was the first heavy metal song. I would not agree.

As with all things related to music and art, opinions will vary.

I agree with you that not all Black Sabbath is necessarily "heavy metal."

Wikipedia's take:

"With roots in blues rock, psychedelic rock and acid rock, heavy metal bands developed a thick, monumental sound characterized by distorted guitars, extended guitar solos, emphatic beats and loudness.

In 1968, three of the genre's most famous pioneers – British bands Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Deep Purple – were founded."

"The first use of "heavy metal" in a song lyric is in reference to a motorcycle in the Steppenwolf song "Born to Be Wild", also released that year:[94] "I like smoke and lightning / Heavy metal thunder / Racin' with the wind / And the feelin' that I'm under"."

An early documented use of the phrase in rock criticism appears in Sandy Pearlman's February 1967 Crawdaddy review of the Rolling Stones' Got Live If You Want It (1966), albeit as a description of the sound rather than as a genre: "On this album the Stones go metal. Technology is in the saddle—as an ideal and as a method."[95][nb 1] Another appears in the 11 May 1968 issue of Rolling Stone, in which Barry Gifford wrote about the album A Long Time Comin' by U.S. band Electric Flag: "Nobody who's been listening to Mike Bloomfield—either talking or playing—in the last few years could have expected this. This is the new soul music, the synthesis of white blues and heavy metal rock."[97] In the 7 September 1968 edition of the Seattle Daily Times, reviewer Susan Schwartz wrote that the Jimi Hendrix Experience "has a heavy-metals blues sound".


I would submit that the meaning of the labels shifted a bit over time as well.
 
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Black Sabbath was heavy metal.
I thought early Black Sabbath was more Blues/Soul based hard rock. In my opinion, Cream and The Jimi Hendrix Experience were the very early progenitors of what later would be called Heavy Metal on some of their stuff. Those bands were more versatile in the style of music they played but you can certainly hear the template. The Doors were certainly not Heavy Metal, more Jazz / Blues fusion rock. The Doors are one of my all time favorite bands.
 

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I thought early Black Sabbath was more Blues/Soul based hard rock. In my opinion, Cream and The Jimi Hendrix Experience were the very early progenitors of what later would be called Heavy Metal on some of their stuff. Those bands were more versatile in the style of music they played but you can certainly hear the template. The Doors were certainly not Heavy Metal, more Jazz / Blues fusion rock. The Doors are one of my all time favorite bands.

I really don't see Cream that way, and I bought the albums when they came out. I don't see Clapton's guitar work as heavy metal at all.
 

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Acid Rock was when you took some Mr. Natural and Simon and Garfunkle came on KSAN.
Hard Rock is loud, but can be played in a garage. Lyrical lust inducer.
Heavy Metal must be on the verge of blowing out your Marshalls, and cannot be heard acoustically. Primitive
Saw Led at NY World Fair first tour. If you brought a girl to see Led and didn't get laid, you knew you were gay.
 

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I really don't see Cream that way, and I bought the albums when they came out. I don't see Clapton's guitar work as heavy metal at all.
What I was trying to say is that although you wouldn’t call them a heavy metal band as it is understood today, their approach and sonic quality to music was very different from what had existed previously. This live performance i think captures it:
 

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What I was trying to say is that although you wouldn’t call them a heavy metal band as it is understood today, their approach and sonic quality to music was very different from what had existed previously. This live performance i think captures it:

Gotta love how Ginger’s blues roots kept the beat slow.
FYI
The stones today play all their old great songs from 12x5 and Out of our Heads way to fast now
 
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Acid Rock was when you took some Mr. Natural and Simon and Garfunkle came on KSAN.
Hard Rock is loud, but can be played in a garage. Lyrical lust inducer.
Heavy Metal must be on the verge of blowing out your Marshalls, and cannot be heard acoustically. Primitive
Saw Led at NY World Fair first tour. If you brought a girl to see Led and didn't get laid, you knew you were gay.
Going to the worlds fair in 1964 as a little kid was like being in another world
 
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Acid Rock was when you took some Mr. Natural and Simon and Garfunkle came on KSAN.
Hard Rock is loud, but can be played in a garage. Lyrical lust inducer.
Heavy Metal must be on the verge of blowing out your Marshalls, and cannot be heard acoustically. Primitive
Saw Led at NY World Fair first tour. If you brought a girl to see Led and didn't get laid, you knew you were gay.

August 30, 1969
Queens, NY US
Singer Bowl Music Festival (State Pavilion)
Led Zeppelin Setlist
Includes: Train Kept a Rollin', I Can't Quit You Baby, Dazed and Confused, You Shook Me, How Many More Times, Communication Breakdown, Long Tall Sally

Review: Led Zeppelin came on in a tumult of fury, and managed to keep their storm going throughout the entire, very long set. Moving about like some deranged whirling phantom, Robert Plant stormed at his audience in a barrage of vocal and physical assaults, his body writhing with the grinding tones of lead guitarist Jimmy Page’s playing.

Page’s style , with all its fury and passion, was an excellent complement to (previous act) Larry Coyrell’s and provided an excellent study in different approaches to the same instrument. At one point, Page played his guitar with a violin bow, and in addition to being a great gimmick and fabulous showmanship, it created a unique, very exciting sound. (B.H., Cashbox, Sept. ‘69)

 
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Don't get lost in the faulty descriptions brought to you by the suits, they don't care for it anyway!

When I was a young kid, bands like Quiet Riot and even Def Leppard were called metal by Casey Kasem. Come on, name's mean little. AC/DC still get annoyed when lumped into the metal category.

Rule of thumb, tin ear music where you can't understand the lyrics is metal! Examples- Slayer, Exodus, Anthrax, Black Sabbath, and Metallica. Thrash, death, and black metal are key subgenres.

Hard Rock- MTV style 80's hits. Def Leppard, RATT, Twisted Sister, Van Halen, Led Zeppelin, and Motley Crue are examples. A term frequently used, that I hate is Pop Metal. Hard ROCK bands have hits. Metallica became hard rock in the 90's to become the biggest band in the world.

Rock On!
 
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zappaa

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Hard Rock imo.
This is Heavy Metal😊
Which I wouldn’t pay a nickel to watch.

 

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Grunge LOL, every band in Seattle hated that moniker. It is melodic hard rock to me. Although my favorite AIC is a "metal" band in the vain as Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. They even toured with thrash metal bands.