OT: HB for wine sales

BulldogBlitz

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I once had a thought that I would want to do a monthly wine subscription, but discovered that they wouldn't actually send me anything that I cannot already get locally.

I did get some awesome beer sent during October last year, that may be done again, but it was a chunk of change to make it worthwhile.
 

fedxdog

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Tennessee used to have a similar law but when it was rescinded, you still could only order from wineries that applied for a permit to ship to TN. It took many years for the good wineries to think they could get enough business to make it worthwhile. Now I buy a lot of wine from WTSO.com...a good deal and free shipping if you buy their minimum (usually 4 bottles).
Still, it's hard to beat the deals at Costco.
 
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Tennessee used to have a similar law but when it was rescinded, you still could only order from wineries that applied for a permit to ship to TN. It took many years for the good wineries to think they could get enough business to make it worthwhile. Now I buy a lot of wine from WTSO.com...a good deal and free shipping if you buy their minimum (usually 4 bottles).
Still, it's hard to beat the deals at Costco.
Except Costco and Sam's Club aren't allowed to sell wine in MS. We live in a prohibition state.
 
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johnson86-1

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Except Costco and Sam's Club aren't allowed to sell wine in MS. We live in a prohibition state.
They are allowed to have one liquor license Sams has one in Madison. I thought Costco did too but I’ve never been there. Still incredibly stupid. But very slightly less stupid.
 
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msudawg12

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Would be a big deal. Without reading the bill, I assume it allows non-ABC controlled vineyards? ex: go to Napa and ship here? I have always had to ship to my in-laws in Tennessee and then pick up later
 
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They are allowed to have one liquor license Sams has one in Madison. I thought Costco did too but I’ve never been there. Still incredibly stupid. But very slightly less stupid.
from what I understand, they are trying to increase that to 3 licenses....
 

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We live in a prohibition state.
Question for anyone- if every adult in MS were to vote today, what % would support all the alcohol restrictions that have been in place over the years?

Or better said, what % of adults would support state level laws that allow alcohol sales on all days and support beer/wine/liquor/spirits being sold anywhere that is willing to follow license requirements(regardless of % alcohol)? So no county by county restrictions and all retailers have access to every common form of alcohol.

Is there really still some sizable contingent of adults who support heavy restrictions on just the sale of alcohol? And if there is...do they really not understand the issue(s) they seek to avoid arent due to sales, but rather misuse?
 

aTotal360

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They are allowed to have one liquor license Sams has one in Madison. I thought Costco did too but I’ve never been there. Still incredibly stupid. But very slightly less stupid.
Depends on your state. My Costco only sells wine, BUT there is a liquor store attached to it. The liquor store is NOT owned by Costco.
 
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Except Costco and Sam's Club aren't allowed to sell wine in MS. We live in a prohibition state.
It's the stupid law that protects mom and pop liquor stores. If the same law applied to grocery stores there would only be one Kroger in the state.
 
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Question for anyone- if every adult in MS were to vote today, what % would support all the alcohol restrictions that have been in place over the years?

Or better said, what % of adults would support state level laws that allow alcohol sales on all days and support beer/wine/liquor/spirits being sold anywhere that is willing to follow license requirements(regardless of % alcohol)? So no county by county restrictions and all retailers have access to every common form of alcohol.

I think if you framed it as "no restrictions", there would be enough people that view that as "unregulated" that the nanny staters on the left and baptists on the right would plausibly get close to a majority if not beyond it. Plus there would be some few people that are big believers in home rule for counties and/or cities.

From the opinions I have heard from people, you would be surprised at how idiosyncratic their views are on the different restrictions (I certainly am). Some people want Sunday sales but still want the shutoff at 10:00pm at night, some people want individuals to have the ability to order from wineries but only if it's routed through the ABC to make sure all taxes are collected (I think you may be able to do this now?). Some are good with wine in stores but view liquor as different for some reason. Some have no problem with alcohol but like only having wine and liquor in separate stores and limited to one license because they view it as favoring small business over box stores and big grocery chains. Certainly lots of people are more or less on board with virtually no restrictions that don't apply to other consumer products (other than licensing to help enforce age limits) or at least treating liquor and wine no more restrictively than beer, but I think something close to or exceeding a majority like at least one if not more of the restrictions in place beyond that.




Is there really still some sizable contingent of adults who support heavy restrictions on just the sale of alcohol? And if there is...do they really not understand the issue(s) they seek to avoid arent due to sales, but rather misuse?
No where near a majority, but there are a good number of adults that want to restrict sales. They couldn't explain to you how limiting the number of liquor licenses accomplishes that, but they would likely be against it just because it sounds more restrictive. Not wanting liquor and wine in grocery stores is at least logical based on their preferences.
 

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All I know is Desoto County needs a Costco and these antiquated laws suck.
 

mstateglfr

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All I know is Desoto County needs a Costco and these antiquated laws suck.
I just looked- there are only 2 Costco locations in the entire Memphis Metro?!?! Thats like 1.4MM people.
My metro has 2 Costo locations and has 700,000 people.

And the Memphis metro has 2x the population density.

Only 2 with that many people is crazy.
 
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I just looked- there are only 2 Costco locations in the entire Memphis Metro?!?! Thats like 1.4MM people.
My metro has 2 Costo locations and has 700,000 people.

And the Memphis metro has 2x the population density.

Only 2 with that many people is crazy.
There are 4 Sams in the Memphis metro, all I can figure is Costco just don't want to butt heads with them or views the market as saturated. but yeah, it seems odd there isn't one in Desoto
 
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johnson86-1

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I just looked- there are only 2 Costco locations in the entire Memphis Metro?!?! Thats like 1.4MM people.
My metro has 2 Costo locations and has 700,000 people.
How poor is the area you live in compared to Memphis? Something north of 20% of people in Memphis are at or below the poverty line. I suspect you have to get well above the poverty line to be a valuable customer to Costco, so it may be that 30% or even 40% of the population doesn't "count" for Costco's metrics

And the Memphis metro has 2x the population density.

I would think this cuts against your argument? I don't spend time in costco's, so I don't know how packed they generally are, but I would assume distance is a primary factor in how many locations they're willing to open. If one store can reach twice as many people within X number of miles (I don't know; 20 miles?), I wouldn't think that would make them want to open another store, maybe just make it bigger.

Only 2 with that many people is crazy.
 

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I drive to Louisiana or have family pick it up there for liquor/wine. 17 the state of MS and their ABC version of prohibition.
 
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I drive to Louisiana or have family pick it up there for liquor/wine. 17 the state of MS and their ABC version of prohibition.
ive listened to some legislators talk about the issue on statewide radio several times....they understand the issue....the problem is two fold...1. the state makes a pretty penny on the liquor business, and if they got out of it, they would have to find another tax resource to offset the loss...they are having a tough time right now trying to offset the taxes for trying to eliminate the income tax, so I don't see it happening anytime soon.....so, what i heard has been proposed is increasing the licenses from 1 to 3......2. they also are sensitive that almost all the liquor store owners are locally owned tax paying citizens of MS, and eliminating the barrier would tell them screw off for the sake of corporate america. Sucks either way. The proposal to go from 1 to 3 licenses makes the most sense at the moment.
 

The Cooterpoot

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ive listened to some legislators talk about the issue on statewide radio several times....they understand the issue....the problem is two fold...1. the state makes a pretty penny on the liquor business, and if they got out of it, they would have to find another tax resource to offset the loss...they are having a tough time right now trying to offset the taxes for trying to eliminate the income tax, so I don't see it happening anytime soon.....so, what i heard has been proposed is increasing the licenses from 1 to 3......2. they also are sensitive that almost all the liquor store owners are locally owned tax paying citizens of MS, and eliminating the barrier would tell them screw off for the sake of corporate america. Sucks either way. The proposal to go from 1 to 3 licenses makes the most sense at the moment.
We're in the top 20 taxed in the U.S. but are the poorest, let's not pretend our tax money is being efficiently managed. They could kill the ABC and be fine if they stopped filling their and their buddies pockets. MS is *** backwards a lot! And it's citizens suffer for it.
 
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