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mstateglfr

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A hearty 17 off to 55 years of Congressional can kicking and buck passing that has led us to this.
Marijuana shouldnt have been a Schedule 1 drug back then and 17 everyone who knew it and chose not to push for reform in the half century since.
I dont use it at all, but fully appreciate the fact that others can benefit from it.
 

paindonthurt

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How miserable are you that you live your life with a political chip on your shoulder and let politicians dictate your reality?
That’s you buddy!
 

turkish

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Fact:
There’s so much irony in his comment that he could build a replica of the Sears Tower with it. On the other hand, he potentially believes readers may take him seriously.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees how asinine a comment that is coming from him. I cannot fathom an adult having such a lack of self-awareness. Absolutely incredible!
 

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johnson86-1

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Absolutely crazy that nobody blinks an eye that the President can just make law at will. If Congress were actually forced to legislate rather than just handing it off to the executive branch, the federal government wouldn't have time to 17 so much **** up. They'd have to stick to things the federal government should actually be involved with because there wouldn't be enough time for anything else.
 

mstateglfr

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Absolutely crazy that nobody blinks an eye that the President can just make law at will. If Congress were actually forced to legislate rather than just handing it off to the executive branch, the federal government wouldn't have time to 17 so much **** up. They'd have to stick to things the federal government should actually be involved with because there wouldn't be enough time for anything else.
I think a whole lot of people have been blinking their eyes a ton in 2025.
And I think a whole lot were blinking a ton in 2024, 2023, 2022, 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, and earlier as well.
 
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johnson86-1

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I think a whole lot of people have been blinking their eyes a ton in 2025.
And I think a whole lot were blinking a ton in 2024, 2023, 2022, 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, and earlier as well.
Sorry, I meant the voting populace and punditry as a whole. Policy nerds of a libertarian/conservative bent have been complaining since at least Bush II and I assume earlier, but mostly people only complain about it when it's a president doing things they don't agree with.
 

dorndawg

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Absolutely crazy that nobody blinks an eye that the President can just make law at will. If Congress were actually forced to legislate rather than just handing it off to the executive branch, the federal government wouldn't have time to 17 so much **** up. They'd have to stick to things the federal government should actually be involved with because there wouldn't be enough time for anything else.
It's been stunning to me to, even outside of whatever shiitforbrains is doing at a given time. We all like to talk about "what the framers intended", it's very clear they never considered the entirety of the legislative branch would just... give up.

Especially wild that capitulation is happening at the same time Chevron deference gets gutted by scotus. If anything, Congress now has the tools to assert itself in a very muscular way. Maybe sometime in the future!
 

johnson86-1

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It's been stunning to me to, even outside of whatever shiitforbrains is doing at a given time. We all like to talk about "what the framers intended", it's very clear they never considered the entirety of the legislative branch would just... give up.

They were so focused on setting up a system that would allow for power hungry politicians to compete, it never occurred to them that legislatures would make so much in salary and grift that they would prefer to not exercise power and instead just campaign. My favorite was the democrat representative from Texas during Trump's first term that complained about them prosecuting marijuana dealers, but never even bothered to sponsor a bill, even a garbage, unworkable in practice, "Marijuana is no longer illegal" half a page bill with no references to existing statutes. Just bitched about the executive enforcing the law that he was too lazy to even pretend to try to change.

Especially wild that capitulation is happening at the same time Chevron deference gets gutted by scotus. If anything, Congress now has the tools to assert itself in a very muscular way. Maybe sometime in the future!
I mean, the capitulation happened along time ago, it's just been getting more an dmore obvious. Limiting Chevron deference it least limits the executive to stuff more likely to be contemplated by the people originally enacting the law and forces the legislative branch to actually legislate if they want to make major changes to the law.
 
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They were so focused on setting up a system that would allow for power hungry politicians to compete, it never occurred to them that legislatures would make so much in salary and grift that they would prefer to not exercise power and instead just campaign. My favorite was the democrat representative from Texas during Trump's first term that complained about them prosecuting marijuana dealers, but never even bothered to sponsor a bill, even a garbage, unworkable in practice, "Marijuana is no longer illegal" half a page bill with no references to existing statutes. Just bitched about the executive enforcing the law that he was too lazy to even pretend to try to change.


I mean, the capitulation happened along time ago, it's just been getting more an dmore obvious. Limiting Chevron deference it least limits the executive to stuff more likely to be contemplated by the people originally enacting the law and forces the legislative branch to actually legislate if they want to make major changes to the law.
The problem is that the legislative branch can’t get out of its own way when both sides of the aisle are trying to play gotcha games with each other. There’s a reason why Congress has a putrid approval rating and it’s all of their faults.
 

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I honestly don't care what people do in their own homes. I for one hate marijuana. I hate the smell, right up there with the dog food plant in Byram, MS on a cool winter morning. Yes, I agree that there needs to be medical research done with it, but I truly believe it has not one real health benefits other than pain management. My grandfather was prescribed medicinal marijuana in 99 when he was dying with polycythemia vera. I am ok with medicinal marijuana for pain management. I don't think your average ADHD patient should be prescribed it just cause they want legal marijuana. I also am a former police officer and 1 too many times have had explain to a mother who her child wasn't coming home because someone drove illegally under the influence of marijuana. There needs to be faster ways of detection of DUI-other substance, and more officers need to be trained on ARIDE.
 

johnson86-1

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The problem is that the legislative branch can’t get out of its own way when both sides of the aisle are trying to play gotcha games with each other. There’s a reason why Congress has a putrid approval rating and it’s all of their faults.
It's not that the legislative branch can't get out of its own way. It's operating exactly the way a large majority of them want it to operate. For most of them, staying elected and collecting money is not tied to how the county is doing or even how their constituents are doing. Only a small minority are in swing districts or states where it is evenly split enough that "vibe" voters will determine the election. That's the real negative from gerrymandering. You end up with a lot of representatives like Bennie Thompson who don't need to do anything for their constituents to keep getting elected. There are racial dynamics there but there are plenty of similarly situated representatives without that.
 
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johnson86-1

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I honestly don't care what people do in their own homes. I for one hate marijuana. I hate the smell, right up there with the dog food plant in Byram, MS on a cool winter morning. Yes, I agree that there needs to be medical research done with it, but I truly believe it has not one real health benefits other than pain management. My grandfather was prescribed medicinal marijuana in 99 when he was dying with polycythemia vera. I am ok with medicinal marijuana for pain management. I don't think your average ADHD patient should be prescribed it just cause they want legal marijuana. I also am a former police officer and 1 too many times have had explain to a mother who her child wasn't coming home because someone drove illegally under the influence of marijuana. There needs to be faster ways of detection of DUI-other substance, and more officers need to be trained on ARIDE.
Does alcohol have a health benefit? Sugar? People like it. There are going to be some bad things from people using it. There are going to be bad things from using the criminal justice system to try and stop people from using it. Marijuana is worse than alcohol because it's easier for people to use it without being caught and we don't have a good intoxication proxy like we do with alcohol, but I don't think that's a good enough reason to treat it significantly different than alcohol.
 

Villagedawg

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It's been stunning to me to, even outside of whatever shiitforbrains is doing at a given time. We all like to talk about "what the framers intended", it's very clear they never considered the entirety of the legislative branch would just... give up.

Especially wild that capitulation is happening at the same time Chevron deference gets gutted by scotus. If anything, Congress now has the tools to assert itself in a very muscular way. Maybe sometime in the future!
Count me among those who respect the founders and the Constitution they created as a guiding document for us but who doesn't give a flying 17 about what they intended. They haven't been around for 200 years. We are here now. Just like they were there then and did what they thought was best no matter what kings and legislatures in the 15th century intended.
 

johnson86-1

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Literally liberalizing weed laws and rules is now conservative? Nixon and Goldwater are rolling!!
Well, for most things, liberalizing is conservative. Conservative was historically closely related to classically liberal, or at least more closely related than the left. In american politics, "liberal" pretty much means "illiberal, wiht the probable exception of drugs and possible exception of sex related issues".
 
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Does alcohol have a health benefit? Sugar? People like it. There are going to be some bad things from people using it. There are going to be bad things from using the criminal justice system to try and stop people from using it. Marijuana is worse than alcohol because it's easier for people to use it without being caught and we don't have a good intoxication proxy like we do with alcohol, but I don't think that's a good enough reason to treat it significantly different than alcohol.
Please expound on how marijuana use is easier to hide than alcohol.
 

Villagedawg

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Well, for most things, liberalizing is conservative. Conservative was historically closely related to classically liberal, or at least more closely related than the left. In american politics, "liberal" pretty much means "illiberal, wiht the probable exception of drugs and possible exception of sex related issues".
Disagree. The only way modern conservative is associated with classically liberal is in the promotion of the business class. Which was a liberal position at the time as opposed to the conservative aristocracy. As time goes on and the business class becomes the new aristocracy, they become the conservatives. Liberal is illiberal is just wrong, but to be honest, you are right. We don't have a true liberal/left party in this country. We have two right wing parties that both give lip service to liberal ideas. Notice that they both couch their conservative BS in liberal terms like freedom and democracy when nearly everything they do is anathema to those ideals.
 
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johnson86-1

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Disagree. The only way modern conservative is associated with classically liberal is in the promotion of the business class.

If you count "modern conservative" as post trump, that's a little truer. But protecting the rights protected by the 2nd amendment has been one of the few recent civil rights victory we've had (not just in courts but in a lot of statutes), and that's because of conservatives. While we have had a lot of disappointing justices, the Supreme Court has still in general been a bigger protector of civil rights and the constitution in the last two decades, and that's because of the conservative movement even if a lot of the voters don't think about it deeply enough to care. Lower taxes are more classically liberal than high taxes, and while there is a good argument that deficits are future taxes so we are not actually maintaining low taxes, it's more classically liberal than just hammering people with taxes. We are successfully pushing back on state sanctioned racial discrimination and that's because of recent conservatives.

Which was a liberal position at the time as opposed to the conservative aristocracy. As time goes on and the business class becomes the new aristocracy, they become the conservatives. Liberal is illiberal is just wrong, but to be honest, you are right. We don't have a true liberal/left party in this country. We have two right wing parties that both give lip service to liberal ideas. Notice that they both couch their conservative BS in liberal terms like freedom and democracy when nearly everything they do is anathema to those ideals.
We don't have two right wing parties; that's nomenclature and doesn't work like that. But we do largely have two statist parties.
 

OG Goat Holder

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Absolutely crazy that nobody blinks an eye that the President can just make law at will. If Congress were actually forced to legislate rather than just handing it off to the executive branch, the federal government wouldn't have time to 17 so much **** up. They'd have to stick to things the federal government should actually be involved with because there wouldn't be enough time for anything else.
So if you're describing Congress actually doing the 17ing up, who is this mysterious "federal government" that's also 17ing things up?
 
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