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I’m all for it being for medicinal purposes. 1000%
I do have a problem with it being legal for recreational for several reasons.
I know a lot of people who do it recreationally and are over achievers in life. I know more who can’t function in a thriving society bc of it.
What happens to the people who can’t work bc they use too much? I.e. they can’t go to work high like I can’t go to work drunk. I.e. they just don’t go to work bc they are lazy pot heads. Do my tax dollars how have to take care of them? And you are lying to yourself if this doesn’t happen some.
your point about the testing of it is a big point to me. How many people will come to work high and then sue companies when they get hurt? Drug testing should still be allowed for liability purposes.
I’m so sick of smelling it in restaurants and at Grizz games. The locals live to hot box then walk in smelling strong it’s ridiculous! Don’t care if legal or not the behavior is BS
Legalize it all, i don't give a 17 what a adult does, long as they don't harm anyone. Booze killed my brother. I hope they do away with the NFA as well
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the crap, but I think it should be legal.
Are you for banning alcohol as well? Drug testing for hippie lettuce is stupid, if someone smokes a joint at a party on Friday night and has to pee in a cup Monday, they will fail the test. That ain't right. I don't
the crap, but I think it should be legal.The administrative branch and congress. If the administrative branch couldn’t legislate, then congress would have to focus on core functions and there wouldn’t be essentially a court branch of government only partially under the control of the president.
If you mean the executive branch down to the political appointees of the agencies, then I agree. They continually 17 up. But all too often I see people like you blaming the federal workforce yet again when they literally do nothing but carry out laws.
All the 17ing up is done at the high level. Nobody below that just invents extra shlt to do. There’s zero incentive to do that. They also don’t want to get in trouble with the appointees because they can get them fired. Especially now when Trump literally controls everything.
Ok so what do you do if someone smokes a joint right before work and crashes a fork lift and dies?Are
Are you for banning alcohol as well? Drug testing for hippie lettuce is stupid, if someone smokes a joint at a party on Friday night and has to pee in a cup Monday, they will fail the test. That ain't right. I don't
You are truly dumb.
call the state of Mississippi about replacing a title to a vehicle.
apply for a used car dealer license.
I could list 20 things that I deal with where people are purely incompetent and it has nothing to do with laws.
What if someone drinks a pint of 90 proof at lunch and does the same thing? I am not for people being 17ed up at work, what i am saying is, its not right to fire a dude that smokes a joint with his wife on Friday night. Prove he did it before he went to work or while at work.
You aren’t using good common sense.
If someone drinks a pint before work and has an accident, they are gonna get tested. If they fail an alcohol test they will be rightfully terminated.
if they fail a drug test, is it bc they smoked pot on Friday night or Monday on the way to work?
you tell me, prove when he did it, thats all i am saying. Are you for firing the guy that drank a 1/2 gallon on Friday night?
Crazy indeed. But in the current political climate where there’s far too much division to ever get the supermajority needed in Congress to override a veto, executive orders are all we got.
This is what the people have asked for. Americans on both sides (and neither side) have unanimously voted out democracy in favor of authoritarian rule. It’s wild.
I think it is insane that it is not federally legal in 2025. And I think that the overwhelming majority of the country feels that way.
The guy who drank a half gallon on Friday isn’t still drunk on Monday you moron.
You respond with name calling, you lose the argument. Do you want to ban alcohol or not?
If alcohol was introduced today, it would be classified as a Schedule 1 drug. Yet using a plant is a criminal offense. Make it make sense.Are
Are you for banning alcohol as well? Drug testing for hippie lettuce is stupid, if someone smokes a joint at a party on Friday night and has to pee in a cup Monday, they will fail the test. That ain't right. I don't
Neither is the guy still stoned on Monday that smoked a bowl on Friday night.
I’d say you probably do the same thing you do now in that same scenario. Where are you going with this?
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But you are missing a huge point that isn’t really hard to miss.
Alcohol scenario
Drunk on Friday crash a fork lift on Monday. Get tested on Monday and you are clear.
Drunk on Monday morning and crash a fork lift on Monday. When you get tested you aren’t clear. FIRED.
The testing is accurate.
WEED scenario
Smoke pot Friday and crash on Monday. You get tested and you fail.
Smoke pot on Monday. Crash on Monday. You get tested and you fail.
YOU ARE GETTING FIRED IN BOTH WEED EXAMPLES. And you should. Why? Bc they are gonna cover their @$$.
Until there is some sort of test that can tell how high you are that’s the way it’s gonna be. And that’s how it should be.
Agreed but common sense isn’t usually determined by what most people want or agree with. Unfortunately.
The point is you don’t know when they smoked the joint.
So if you smoke a joint 2 weeks ago and crash a fork lift or smoke a joint Monday morning and crash the fork lift you are getting fired in both scenarios. And that’s the way companies HAVE TO handle it.
There’s a test somewhere that will pinpoint time of use, it’s just never been needed enough to be profitable. Legalize marijuana and some enterprising company will quickly have a test available.
I hope so. I have no problem with the reclassification of weed or recreational use. What I do have a problem with is people driving around high AF, out and about clearly impaired. The comparison has been made to alcohol in this thread, and I agree that both should be legal. But public drunkenness is against the law as is driving while intoxicated. Somehow those laws don’t seem to apply to weed, and I’m not sure why.
Gone are the days of having a group of legislators that were moderate in both parties willing to get compromises done to move legislation. Nearly everybody has drawn a line in the sand.
If there is a legit test then good. I have a feeling that it will take some time to get that right and lawsuits will reign supreme until then.
Well, you said the guy crashes a forklift and dies.
I’m not really sure they are too worried about whether the guy that’s dead should be allowed to come back to work on Tuesday.
But expanding further, if he doesn’t die, there’s an investigation. Perhaps he gets tested (if the facts point that direction), he passes or fails, then the company acts according to their policy.
Any company can determine if weed is something they want to test for, or not. And if they decide they do want to test for it, they can also decide how (urine vs. hair follicle). That is the case whether it’s legal or not. Legalized marijuana does not mean companies have to change their testing policy or safety protocols. That’s a company by company decision.
So again, whatever companies decide to do should be whatever they do now. There is no relationship whatsoever between the legality of weed and safety protocols of private enterprise…..hence the previous comparison to alcohol which is of course already legal.
I didn’t say the guy that crashed the fork lift died.
I said someone gets hurt.
But if he dies and he’s drunk or high, the company shouldn’t be liable. FACT.
Sigh…..Yes you did. See above. But whatever, moving on….
1) Whether the above is true or not, its totally irrelevant to the marijuana legalization discussion. Legal weed doesn’t change those dynamics at all. Doesn’t make that dilemma any better or any worse.
2) Without getting too far into the “weeds” (pun definitely intended), It depends a great deal on a lot more details than what you listed as to whether the company would be liable or not. But even if not, and even if they terminated the employee that only got hurt, they are still just about always still gonna be on the hook for workers comp….if nothing else.
If he dies, there’s a good chance that they never truly find out if he’s drunk or high, unless there is some type of criminal investigation (unlikely). They don’t just order toxicology reports on corpses at the drop of a hat for anyone who asks. Family of the deceased would be completely in control of that.
Again, whether marijuana is legal or illegal doesn’t affect any of that at all.
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So if a guy smokes on Friday legally and crashes a fork truck on Monday you don’t think it’s gonna cause a problem when he gets tested and fails?
and yes I said dies. Thought I had said kills or hurts someone. But the point remains the same.
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These laws do apply to weed, and will continue to apply to weed under any legalization scenario. This is, again, something that just isn’t relevant as far as the legalization discussion.
If you’re “high AF” and fail a field sobriety test, you can get a DWI / DUI, etc. That will continue to be the case.
I don’t know how old you are but my first memory of a line drawn in the sand was Newt Gingrich and his Contract with America. It took a while for everyone to get in step. At the time I thought it was genius, looking back I see it as the beginning of the end.
No…..no….a thousand times no. It doesn’t cause a problem at all. Why would it? If a company has a marijuana-free or drug-free policy for certain positions (or ALL positions) as part of their safety protocol, it doesn’t matter one bit whether the employee smoking on Friday night was doing so legally or illegally. He’s still violating the company policy and, as such, is subject to the consequences up to and including termination. Disclaimer - Company still probably has to pay out a bit of workers comp….most likely. But that doesn’t mean they are liable for anything.
The only potential impact of legalization is that all companies probably would be well served to update their HR policies to explicitly state their position on marijuana. Policies of most big companies are intentionally vague related to drug testing as far as what they are actually testing for. Some companies care about weed and some do not, but neither is going to advertise exactly which drugs they will flag for a failed test….because they may choose to apply that policy selectively.
Maybe I’m just seeing more people publicly high than publicly drunk, and it doesn’t seem like law enforcement is too concerned.
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