OT: It's time for Mitch to GO

[Kentucky15]

I 100% agree. Don’t know why we can’t just fire Mitch and keep Stoops until that buyout gets reasonable

because we wouldn’t bring in football revenue. The stadium will be empty. That will handicap all of our sports teams and hurt basketball in the long run.

Not that I don’t get what you’re sayin. If Kentucky isn’t going to be serious about football then you’ve got 1 option. Lobby to leave the conference, and I’ve always been someone who loves SEC tradition and laughed at this idea. We’re a founding member. But look at this point we need to begin to consider it. Now they wouldn’t dare do that because of the revenue.

We can win in both. Basketball isn’t so expensive that we can’t. Its not an either or, which is what is AD’s office wants us to think.

Barnhart is the head of the problem. 23 years and he’s brought in 1 title in basketball and this was directly after the 90’s. He wouldn’t even have that had it not been for Calipari being forced on him. He’s a horrible AD. Get him out and bring in someone who can navigate this. Being honest, because of how bad we’re navigating NIL in football, the rest of the league is probably already discussing busting this up and leaving us out of an inner conference realignment anyway. It’s the next linear direction this will go.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

because we wouldn’t bring in football revenue. The stadium will be empty. That will handicap all of our sports teams and hurt basketball in the long run.

Not that I don’t get what you’re sayin. If Kentucky isn’t going to be serious about football then you’ve got 1 option. Lobby to leave the conference, and I’ve always been someone who loves SEC tradition and laughed at this idea. We’re a founding member. But look at this point we need to begin to consider it. Now they wouldn’t dare do that because of the revenue.

We can win in both. Basketball isn’t so expensive that we can’t. Its not an either or, which is what is AD’s office wants us to think.

Barnhart is the head of the problem. 23 years and he’s brought in 1 title in basketball and this was directly after the 90’s. He wouldn’t even have that had it not been for Calipari being forced on him. He’s a horrible AD. Get him out and bring in someone who can native this

Not buying it. We have gotten plenty of football revenue my entire lifetime and we’ve always ******* stunk.

 

[Kentucky15]

Not buying it. We have gotten plenty of football revenue my entire lifetime and we’ve always ******* stunk.

1990 was a long time ago and this era is different. People over the last 15 years have shut the door and stayed home. They didn’t have the ability to see the games the way they do now in 1980/1990/2000. That stadium will empty that’s a fact. These days people will stay home, save their money, and not move off the coach. We’ve already been here. Google Joker Phillips era empty stadium.

You can’t compare those eras. Today it will be an empty stadium. It’s just not that simple.

Also with the economy the way it is now, they will not fill the stadium over crap results anymore. There’s no way to bomb it in football the university would lose a fortune. It’s why stoops has to go. We can’t afford it.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

1990 was a long time ago and this era is different. People over the last 15 years have shut the door and stayed home. They didn’t have the ability to see the games the way they do now in 1980/1990/2000. That stadium will empty that’s a fact. These days people will stay home, save their money, and not move off the coach. We’ve already been here. Google Joker Phillips era empty stadium.

You can’t compare those eras. Today it will be an empty stadium. It’s just not that simple.

Also with the economy the way it is now, they will not fill the stadium over crap results anymore. There’s no way to bomb it in football the university would lose a fortune. It’s why stoops has to go. We can’t afford it.

Evidence that we can be a great football program:

Evidence that we can’t: Literally the entire body of work for the last 50+ years.

 

[davtay]

the rest of the league is probably already discussing busting this up and leaving us out of an inner conference realignment anyway. It’s the next linear direction this will go.

This won't be happening. People need to understand that to have multiple teams in the conference with 10 wins and multiple invites to the playoffs, someone has to lose those games. The SEC can not be loaded with just winners. Gotta have losers too. Unfortunately we usually have fallen in the loser side.

 

[FLBBNFAN]

Bro, I have never gave up on ****. Haven’t missed a damn football game since 2002. I just stand ten toes down in the real world. Rant over coz there ain’t a damn thing I can do about this stuff. I’ll leave the fantasies to the rest. But best you bet I will be bringing this back up when I hear posters complaining about NIL or not getting first targets. I’ve always believed you should say what you mean and mean what you say.

Not sure how saying we are a mediocre program and should just accept it doesn't qualify as giving up but we will just agree to disagree.

The university probably won't have the spine to do what is needed so it may be a moot point debating the pros and cons of a buyout.

I do think the people in fantasy land are the folks who think people will continue to support a program that is clearly not making any effort to turn things around. When people stop spending their hard earned dollars on football the impact on NIL will be obvious.

 

[FLBBNFAN]

Exactly right.
Instead of wasting $60/70M, spend more money getting talent in here. Stoops cam win games when the talent is comparable. We finished exactly where our talent lined up this year. Who had less talent in the SEC this season than we did?

Do you think top tier talent will want to play for him. Our offensive scheme and coordinator is a utter joke. What top athlete would want to play in a scheme like ours?

Stoop has had how many years? He has went as far as he can go and now we are in reverse. I swear politics and sports are the only professions where you get rewarded for failing and being mediocre.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

Not sure how saying we are a mediocre program and should just accept it doesn't qualify as giving up but we will just agree to disagree.

The university probably won't have the spine to do what is needed so it may be a moot point debating the pros and cons of a buyout.

I do think the people in fantasy land are the folks who think people will continue to support a program that is clearly not making any effort to turn things around. When people stop spending their hard earned dollars on football the impact on NIL will be obvious.

Good luck with trying to be good in football. Hope you understand that doesn’t happen in a vacuum. At least I’ve been consistent—-I’ve been saying this long before I even knew about this board. You can bet I got talked down and beat down by the Nick Rousch types on KSR+ as well. This stuff doesn’t happen in a vacuum. If it did, every team would just try to be amazing at both basketball and football. This is the real world, where if I have a budget of $50, I can’t give $50 to my friend Paul and my friend Tony. We have the choice of going all-in on basketball, which would mean great basketball and bad football, going basketball focused, which would mean above average basketball and below average football, going balanced, which would mean potentially mediocre in both. I don’t know why I’m even talking about it anymore, there isn’t a single thing I can say because the football delusion is too powerful to overcome.

 

[FLBBNFAN]

Good luck with trying to be good in football. Hope you understand that doesn’t happen in a vacuum. At least I’ve been consistent—-I’ve been saying this long before I even knew about this board. You can bet I got talked down and beat down by the Nick Rousch types on KSR+ as well. This stuff doesn’t happen in a vacuum. If it did, every team would just try to be amazing at both basketball and football. This is the real world, where if I have a budget of $50, I can’t give $50 to my friend Paul and my friend Tony. We have the choice of going all-in on basketball, which would mean great basketball and bad football, going basketball focused, which would mean above average basketball and below average football, going balanced, which would mean potentially mediocre in both. I don’t know why I’m even talking about it anymore, there isn’t a single thing I can say because the football delusion is too powerful to overcome.

For the record I am not a huge college football guy anymore so Im not emotionally invested in this argument. Im all in on our men's hoops.

I just think we dont have to be stuck wandering in the desert for football eternity. I also believe that football matters from a revenue/nil standpoint .

 

[UKCowboys]

Do you think top tier talent will want to play for him. Our offensive scheme and coordinator is a utter joke. What top athlete would want to play in a scheme like ours?

Stoop has had how many years? He has went as far as he can go and now we are in reverse. I swear politics and sports are the only professions where you get rewarded for failing and being mediocre.

Top kids play im all kinds of schemes. Kids today care a lot more about the zeros on the checks than the scheme. Any scheme needs talent

 

[Vek96]

Just WOW

Either Mtich is INCOMPETENT, or a Saboteur. Or Both.

Uh, Barnhart should be getting fired also. He shouldn’t have any say in it.

 

[Vek96]

If Mitch goes through with something this financially idiotic, it will further confirm to me the man is a lady. Ignore the outrage, Mitch. Give the cash to Pope.

Believe it not, football is way more important than basketball. Most sports fans only pay attention to basketball in March, it at all. Football is a cash cow. There’s zero reason not to have a great football team. They‘ll figure out the money situation if they have any brains. Every other team is figuring out how to handle the ridiculous buyouts.

 

[FLBBNFAN]

Top kids play im all kinds of schemes. Kids today care a lot more about the zeros on the checks than the scheme. Any scheme needs talent

Well not all of them apparently or we would get the pick of the litter in recruiting and portal signings given our alleged NIL budget for hoops. Stoops is a tired act.

 

[HipTer]

I haven't read all the posts so I apologize if this has already been proposed, but here is an idea: Save the money by keeping Stoops. Use that money to keep UK basketball at or above every other basketball program. Give Stoops most of what’s left of the institutional NIL (or whatever we call it now). I’m guessing that amount won’t be near what Alabama (and other top football programs) spend on football. But why should UK football need to spend the same amount as Alabama? UK doesn’t get the same players as Alabama – and won’t whether or not the football program has the same amount of money to spend as Alabama. Does it make sense that Alabama gets the top tier available football players and we pay the same for 4th tier guys? I don’t think so.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

I haven't read all the posts so I apologize if this has already been proposed, but here is an idea: Save the money by keeping Stoops. Use that money to keep UK basketball at or above every other basketball program. Give Stoops most of what’s left of the institutional NIL (or whatever we call it now). I’m guessing that amount won’t be near what Alabama (and other top football programs) spend on football. But why should UK football need to spend the same amount as Alabama? UK doesn’t get the same players as Alabama – and won’t whether or not the football program has the same amount of money to spend as Alabama. Does it make sense that Alabama gets the top tier available football players and we pay the same for 4th tier guys? I don’t think so.

Stoops is owed the full $35M within a month of his contract ending, so UK has no leverage to negotiate a smaller buyout or agreement with Stoops. Stoops has all the cards and he’s going to get his money (don’t blame him). Just listened to KSR take on coaching change and it sounds like the change is more than likely gonna happen. Even Justin Rowland acknowledged in the clip that Kentucky is a different beast because we essentially fund two football rosters, referring to basketball. I hate this, but it is what it is. Stoops is more than likely gone —- I’ll never let the “studs” people hear the end of it though, when you’ve got Matt on the radio saying we are behind in NIL yet we’re still gonna dump $55M to have anyone else coach our mediocre football program. Keeping the receipts.

 

[HipTer]

Stoops is owed the full $35M within a month of his contract ending, so UK has no leverage to negotiate a smaller buyout or agreement with Stoops. Stoops has all the cards and he’s going to get his money (don’t blame him). Just listened to KSR take on coaching change and it sounds like the change is more than likely gonna happen. Even Justin Rowland acknowledged in the clip that Kentucky is a different beast because we essentially fund two football rosters, referring to basketball. I hate this, but it is what it is. Stoops is more than likely gone —- I’ll never let the “studs” people hear the end of it though, when you’ve got Matt on the radio saying we are behind in NIL yet we’re still gonna dump $55M to have anyone else coach our mediocre football program. Keeping the receipts.

I understand what has been reported in regard to stoops buyout, which is is why I said keep him and save the money. Would I like to see UK get a new exciting football coach - ABSOLUTELY. If UK has a way to afford it then fine by me. But in no world do I think the basketball program should suffer for the football program.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

I understand what has been reported in regard to stoops buyout, which is is why I said keep him and save the money. Would I like to see UK get a new exciting football coach - ABSOLUTELY. If UK has a way to afford it then fine by me. But in no world do I think the basketball program should suffer for the football program.

Basketball first fans absolutely should not support it. What else will a new coach mean? A new coach isn’t going to agree if basketball is taking NiL priority, so they’ll have to re-negotiate that NIL school contribution percentage as well. Boosters are now going to feel pressure to give more to football and that will start hurting basketball NIL. Considering the very unique situation in this very tight window in history, this may be the most shortsighted fan decision-making I’ve ever seen. And I say fan decision, because the fan uproar is what will lead to us biting the $55M bullet. Also, I’m a pope guy but we don’t know how it will turn out in three years. If you just spent $55M on football, you think the boosters are gonna want to pony up for a top basketball coach within the next 720 days? Nope! We played ourselves.

 

[Woodrow24]

Basketball first fans absolutely should not support it. What else will a new coach mean? A new coach isn’t going to agree if basketball is taking NiL priority, so they’ll have to re-negotiate that NIL school contribution percentage as well. Boosters are now going to feel pressure to give more to football and that will start hurting basketball NIL. Considering the very unique situation in this very tight window in history, this may be the most shortsighted fan decision-making I’ve ever seen. And I say fan decision, because the fan uproar is what will lead to us biting the $55M bullet. Also, I’m a pope guy but we don’t know how it will turn out in three years. If you just spent $55M on football, you think the boosters are gonna want to pony up for a top basketball coach within the next 720 days? Nope! We played ourselves.

SMH wow

 

[cornbreadnmilk]

While I love basketball more I can't get on board with just sacrificing the football program for it. Stoops HAS to go.

 

[Kentucky15]

Evidence that we can be a great football program:

Evidence that we can’t: Literally the entire body of work for the last 50+ years.

We’ve been good before. We’ve got a Natty, hired Paul bear. So it has happened. Other than that we were actually good in the 90’s and went outback. We just went to a few citrus. Vanderbilt was close to the playoff all year, Indiana? How could they possibly do that but Kentucky can’t? It makes no sense. Tulane is doing it lol. Just because we’ve had a dud AD all this time who’s held this program back doesn’t mean we can’t compete for playoff spots with the right men in charge.

It should also be noted, and this was told to me by someone very influential, that Kentucky actually has something not all organizations (which is what this is now) have in that the vast majority of the state money is directed at one program. Also has billionaire boosters which is not something everyone one has. Even many that have those, doesn’t mean they want to contribute. We’ve got that covered. The idea that Kentucky does not have great backing is a myth. We have men in charge that want money directed at places other than what it should be. That’s the main difference in say, UT and UK. They put it where it matters.

So all I’m saying is no it’s a fact Kentucky can have great years and playoff years in football. With the NIL now, state recruiting isn’t even the hold back it used to be (albeit will always be a problem won’t deny it). You can recruit the surrounding states and Ohio. State lines are not actually walls.

 

[Kentucky15]

This won't be happening. People need to understand that to have multiple teams in the conference with 10 wins and multiple invites to the playoffs, someone has to lose those games. The SEC can not be loaded with just winners. Gotta have losers too. Unfortunately we usually have fallen in the loser side.

I agree to a point, I think the main reason it won’t happen today is more to do with the power we have as a founding members. But the shifting isn’t over, it’s going to continue. And eventually it is logical that the end result is a top tier in the league that only plays each other. They don’t have to share all of that revenue. And they don’t have to play Kentucky, they can easily have a system where a loss here and there isn’t crippling.

 

[Cats_2010]

The problem with firing Mitch for the contract is he would be fired by the same group of people that helped approve the contract in the first place. They all need to be fired. Every single person who approved that contract needs to not ever be close to UK athletics again.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

We’ve been good before. We’ve got a Natty, hired Paul bear. So it has happened. Other than that we were actually good in the 90’s and went outback. We just went to a few citrus. Vanderbilt was close to the playoff all year, Indiana? How could they possibly do that but Kentucky can’t? It makes no sense. Tulane is doing it lol. Just because we’ve had a dud AD all this time who’s held this program back doesn’t mean we can’t compete for playoff spots with the right men in charge.

It should also be noted, and this was told to me by someone very influential, that Kentucky is actually has something not all organizations (which is what this is now) have in that the vast majority of the state money is directed at one program. Also has billionaire boosters which is not something everyone one has. Even many that have those, doesn’t mean they want to contribute. We’ve got that covered. The idea that Kentucky does not have great backing is a myth. We have men in charge that want money directed at places other than what it should be. That’s the main difference in say, UT and UK. They put it where it matters.

So all I’m saying is no it’s a fact Kentucky can have great years and playoff years in football. With the NIL now, state recruiting isn’t even the hold back it used to be (albeit will always be a problem won’t deny it). You can recruit the surrounding states and Ohio. State lines are not actually walls.

I love your posts but I feel confident we will come back to this in five years and here’s what you’ll have:

- A mediocre at best football team

- Blaming everything on the new AD and still Mitch lol

- A basketball team that can’t back to the top consistently because its fanbase is full of crap. Say they want this, but they want that.

Bookmark these words ^.

I don’t just say I want to be the pinnacle of college basketball. I actually mean it, and willing to fight for it to happen. For a lot of the fanbase, it’s just something to talk about. Full of ****.

 

[Kentucky15]

Basketball first fans absolutely should not support it. What else will a new coach mean? A new coach isn’t going to agree if basketball is taking NiL priority, so they’ll have to re-negotiate that NIL school contribution percentage as well. Boosters are now going to feel pressure to give more to football and that will start hurting basketball NIL. Considering the very unique situation in this very tight window in history, this may be the most shortsighted fan decision-making I’ve ever seen. And I say fan decision, because the fan uproar is what will lead to us biting the $55M bullet. Also, I’m a pope guy but we don’t know how it will turn out in three years. If you just spent $55M on football, you think the boosters are gonna want to pony up for a top basketball coach within the next 720 days? Nope! We played ourselves.

I honestly think the disconnect here is not realizing the football program dead will hurt basketball far more than if it’s good. As I said, people will not show up for bad football anymore. This is a fact, as we’ve already seen it. When we used to show up for it they didn’t have the options of 100 inch TV’s in their living room. That stadium was empty the last 2 win season we had, hardly nobody renewed their season tickets and we had to bring in someone else. Again, with the economy as bad as it is these days, there’s no chance UK basketball would do as well without football as with it.

If that wasn’t the case, I would agree just scrap it. But the ripple effect of bad football would ring throughout the rest of the sports. It would be a very bad look, and hurt us greatly. This isn’t 1990, bad football can also create a really bad situation with conference shifts because we haven’t seen the ending of that. Not that we know that we don’t, but we don’t know where this is headed. The league doesn’t need UK football. They’re sharing for now, but let UK be a 2/3/4 win football team for the entirety of the future and I don’t think we’d hang in during a monumental shift. The league could say UK needs to go where they can compete. That’s another small issue I have with it.

In the end, UK is not going to abandon football. But we will see to it the basketball program survives and flourishes. This is the state jewel. You really don’t have to worry that. It’s not going to happen.

 

[HipTer]

Basketball first fans absolutely should not support it. What else will a new coach mean? A new coach isn’t going to agree if basketball is taking NiL priority, so they’ll have to re-negotiate that NIL school contribution percentage as well. Boosters are now going to feel pressure to give more to football and that will start hurting basketball NIL. Considering the very unique situation in this very tight window in history, this may be the most shortsighted fan decision-making I’ve ever seen. And I say fan decision, because the fan uproar is what will lead to us biting the $55M bullet. Also, I’m a pope guy but we don’t know how it will turn out in three years. If you just spent $55M on football, you think the boosters are gonna want to pony up for a top basketball coach within the next 720 days? Nope! We played ourselves.

And to add to what you’re saying, and repeat a point I was trying to make too, say UK agrees to spend the same amount of institutional NIL on football as Alabama (using them as a proxy for any top of the heap football first powerhouse program) does anyone really think that means UK football will be on par with Alabama or get the same caliber and depth of players as Alabama? Given the fan interest level on football in Alabama would anyone expect UK’s non-institutional NIL to equal Alabama? If the answer to these questions is “No,” then I don’t see why we should worry about spending the same amount as Alabama or really spend an amount on football that handicaps basketball at a basketball first school.

Stay in the SEC and collect the checks. Spend enough on football to give it that “ole college try” like UK football always has, try to be innovative and entertaining (e.g., Mumme), and hope lightning strikes for the football program every once in a while. And again, I don’t care what is spent on football as long as it doesn’t handicap the basketball program.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

I honestly think the disconnect here is not realizing the football program dead will hurt basketball far more than if it’s good. As I said, people will not show up for bad football anymore. This is a fact, as we’ve already seen it. When we used to show up for it they didn’t have the options of 100 inch TV’s in their living room. That stadium was empty the last 2 win season we had, hardly nobody renewed their season tickets and we had to bring in someone else. Again, with the economy as bad as it is these days, there’s no chance UK basketball would do as well without football as with it.

If that wasn’t the case, I would agree just scrap it. But the ripple effect of bad football would ring throughout the rest of the sports. It would be a very bad look, and hurt us greatly. This isn’t 1990, bad football can also create a really bad situation with conference shifts because we haven’t seen the ending of that. Not that we know that we don’t, but we don’t know where this is headed. The league doesn’t need UK football. They’re sharing for now, but let UK be a 2/3/4 win football team for the entirety of the future and I don’t think we’d hang in during a monumental shift. The league could say UK needs to go where they can compete. That’s another small issue I have with it.

In the end, UK is not going to abandon football. But we will see to it the basketball program survives and flourishes. This is the state jewel. You really don’t have to worry that. It’s not going to happen.

I wasn’t saying to abandon anything. We have won an average of 5 games per year since 2000. That period includes our two best modern runs, the late noughties and the Stoops run. We overreacted to these losses and screwed our basketball team and don’t know it yet. I hope it works with Pope, because if he’s mediocre through year three it’s gonna be harder to move now. Silly.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

And to add to what you’re saying, and repeat a point I was trying to make too, say UK agrees to spend the same amount of institutional NIL on football as Alabama (using them as a proxy for any top of the heap football first powerhouse program) does anyone really think that means UK football will be on par with Alabama or get the same caliber and depth of players as Alabama? Given the fan interest level on football in Alabama would anyone expect UK’s non-institutional NIL to equal Alabama? If the answer to these questions is “No,” then I don’t see why we should worry about spending the same amount as Alabama or really spend an amount on football that handicaps basketball at a basketball first school.

Stay in the SEC and collect the checks. Spend enough on football to give it that “ole college try” like UK football always has, try to be innovative and entertaining (e.g., Mumme), and hope lightning strikes for the football program every once in a while. And again, I don’t care what is spent on football as long as it doesn’t handicap the basketball program.

Everything you said is so obviously and clearly true. Anyone that isn’t involved with UK could take a cursory glance at what you said and would say, “Yeah duh. And water is wet.” It’s clear as day. Even with max resources, we still aren’t competitive with top programs. It’s just a pissing contest to appease fans who won’t be happy anyway.

 

[Pygmy Sasquatch]

 

[Goingfor9]

I wasn’t saying to abandon anything. We have won an average of 5 games per year since 2000. That period includes our two best modern runs, the late noughties and the Stoops run. We overreacted to these losses and screwed our basketball team and don’t know it yet. I hope it works with Pope, because if he’s mediocre through year three it’s gonna be harder to move now. Silly.

What do you mean year 3? You think pope is our coach next year if say he missed the ncaat? Or if it’s team turmoil and we are a 6 or lower seed bounced early. Pope doesn’t have a resume. It’s not Kentucky good. Pope could concievibly be dealt with at the end of this season. Folks are sick of losing and not being a march factor.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

What do you mean year 3? You think pope is our coach next year if say he missed the ncaat? Or if it’s team turmoil and we are a 6 or lower seed bounced early. Pope doesn’t have a resume. It’s not Kentucky good. Pope could concievibly be dealt with at the end of this season. Folks are sick of losing and not being a march factor.

. If you think boosters are gonna spend $55M to replace Stoops and then turn around this off-season to replace a basketball coach, i don’t know what to tel you. Pope is and was always going to get a third year outside of extreme Kenny Payne level catastrophe, but this Stoops stuff would make it harder to move on from him even if it becomes clear he can’t do the job. $55M is a lot of money and it won’t come cheap to buy Pope out and go get the kind of guy fans would want in basketball. Go ahead and consider this football coaching change music to Mark Pope’s ears in terms of job security.

 

[Kentucky15]

. If you think boosters are gonna spend $55M to replace Stoops and then turn around this off-season to replace a basketball coach, i don’t know what to tel you. Pope is and was always going to get a third year outside of extreme Kenny Payne level catastrophe, but this Stoops stuff would make it harder to move on from him even if it becomes clear he can’t do the job. $55M is a lot of money and it won’t come cheap to buy Pope out and go get the kind of guy fans would want in basketball. Go ahead and consider this football coaching change music to Mark Pope’s ears in terms of job security.

Mark is getting 3 years. I could see a change but it’s likely he improves upon this season if it goes south, and I don’t think it’ll go crazy south. People are jumping too quick on Mark over that stupid UL game. He’s brilliant and he’s got insane backing. We are 100% for a fact a top 5 NIL in basketball if not top 2 or 3. Most of the blue bloods are, the only program that might not be a blue blood that’ll spend like a blue blood is michgan, and they’re still bottom 2nd tier behind programs like Arizona and Michigan State.

 

[Anon1759768907]

Mark is getting 3 years. I could see a change but it’s likely he improves upon this season if it goes south, and I don’t think it’ll go crazy south. People are jumping too quick on Mark over that stupid UL game. He’s brilliant and he’s got insane backing. We are 100% for a fact a top 5 NIL in basketball if not top 2 or 3. Most of the blue bloods are, the only program that might not be a blue blood that’ll spend like a blue blood is michgan, and they’re still bottom 2nd tier behind programs like Arizona and Michigan State.

ok, if the nil is there than what are the recruiting issues coming from

 

[Kentucky15]

I love your posts but I feel confident we will come back to this in five years and here’s what you’ll have:

- A mediocre at best football team

- Blaming everything on the new AD and still Mitch lol

- A basketball team that can’t back to the top consistently because its fanbase is full of crap. Say they want this, but they want that.

Bookmark these words ^.

I don’t just say I want to be the pinnacle of college basketball. I actually mean it, and willing to fight for it to happen. For a lot of the fanbase, it’s just something to talk about. Full of ****.

If we hire his understudy Mark Hill then yes we’ll be back to this conversation. I really don’t think people understand how bad some of the guys in charge are. Winning is 100% not their priority. So yes of course, if we continue the status quo we’ll be back in this mess over and over.

Barnhart should be fired. He’s never been a quality AD, as I’ve said repeatedly, he’s a hatchet man. He’s not the guy you hire if winning big is your goal. It’s not our goal. In either sport, he’s been trying to create apathy but attendance since he got here. His own comments will show this. It’s why so many don’t think we can win in football even though if you look around the evidence shows we can.

I don’t think we have to pick between the two. if it ever came to that then I would absolutely say save basketball. But we are underestimating how much money UK has at its disposal. The reason Mitch wanted none of the NIL is because he didn’t want money appropriated for it. I truly believe that. They want the money going elsewhere not in sustaining top level sports teams.

So to me it simple. Fire this AD and anyone else that has had a hand in on these awful contracts. Bring in new blood who can navigate the great boosters we have and utilize this correctly. We need a new president too. All of these guys need to be cleared out they’ve dropped the ball and can’t do this anymore. Then have someone who’s equipped navigate this. But Stoops cannot stay, financially it would be a disaster.

All my opinion but I try and base it on what I see and a few things I’ve actually heard.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

Mark is getting 3 years. I could see a change but it’s likely he improves upon this season if it goes south, and I don’t think it’ll go crazy south. People are jumping too quick on Mark over that stupid UL game. He’s brilliant and he’s got insane backing. We are 100% for a fact a top 5 NIL in basketball if not top 2 or 3. Most of the blue bloods are, the only program that might not be a blue blood that’ll spend like a blue blood is michgan, and they’re still bottom 2nd tier behind programs like Arizona and Michigan State.

You know I’m a Pope guy but that’s the thing. We don’t know what it’s like after three years. The Stoops deal will have us hamstrung now. I gotta learn to start caring less coz it’s clear most of the fanbase doesn’t care that much. If it fails with Pope, I guess we can just be the next Indiana coz our leverage with increased NIL allotment is about to be gone. Our boosters are about to need a cooldown after spending big, but hey at least we can finish 6th in the SEC in football coz that really means something.

 

[Kentucky15]

ok, if the nil is there than what are the recruiting issues coming from

Couldn’t come close to answering that. In state recruiting is tough here anyway, but trying to be cheap isn’t helping. I’ll say this though, spending 50/60 million dollars on a guy like Stoops shows pretty clearly they’re bad with the resources here to begin with.

 

[blackcat714]

First thing needs done is get rid of Mitch wait a year or two then it want cost so much.It will give us time to see how Pope works out.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

First thing needs done is get rid of Mitch wait a year or two then it want cost so much.It will give us time to see how Pope works out.

lol yeah right. The fanbase is so bloodthirsty they are demanding Stoops be fired right now. Mitch is set to retire but now these people have ensured that Mitch gets to pick the next football coach. The smart thing would have been wait next year at least, so that the next AD can pick a football coach. LOL already at the people who demanded this gonna be mad that Mitch picked the next coach when they forced him to.

 

[*Fox2Monk*]

Yes. If the difference isn’t gonna be $55M in revenue, it’s a silly decision. The man we wanted (Sumrall) will be a Gator. Even as bad as Stoops is, we haven’t had anything better in my lifetime. I know people are upset about Louisville/Vandy but we can’t be consistent with saying we don’t want to be behind in NIL and we want all these first options in basketball while also spending $55M to get rid of Stoops. That’s crazy. Mitch sounds like the only person thinking to me.

He’s the one who put us in this ridiculous situation. They should ask the lawyers whether he violated his contract with the A&M fiasco. It’s Mitch’s fault this is even a thing! He should be fired.

 

[I’m The Village Idiot]

He’s the one who put us in this ridiculous situation. They should ask the lawyers whether he violated his contract with the A&M fiasco. It’s Mitch’s fault this is even a thing! He should be fired.

I agree but it ain’t gonna happen. He’s leaving in July, but here’s the good news: HE GETS TO PICK THE NEXT FOOTBALL COACH. lol. Great job listening to Matt Jones BBN. He always has your back. Lol

 

[UKBB4Ever]

because we wouldn’t bring in football revenue. The stadium will be empty. That will handicap all of our sports teams and hurt basketball in the long run.

Not that I don’t get what you’re sayin. If Kentucky isn’t going to be serious about football then you’ve got 1 option. Lobby to leave the conference, and I’ve always been someone who loves SEC tradition and laughed at this idea. We’re a founding member. But look at this point we need to begin to consider it. Now they wouldn’t dare do that because of the revenue.

We can win in both. Basketball isn’t so expensive that we can’t. Its not an either or, which is what is AD’s office wants us to think.

Barnhart is the head of the problem. 23 years and he’s brought in 1 title in basketball and this was directly after the 90’s. He wouldn’t even have that had it not been for Calipari being forced on him. He’s a horrible AD. Get him out and bring in someone who can navigate this. Being honest, because of how bad we’re navigating NIL in football, the rest of the league is probably already discussing busting this up and leaving us out of an inner conference realignment anyway. It’s the next linear direction this will go.

I agree but it ain’t gonna happen. He’s leaving in July, but here’s the good news: HE GETS TO PICK THE NEXT FOOTBALL COACH. lol. Great job listening to Matt Jones BBN. He always has your back. Lol

I wouldn’t be too sure he’s leaving.

Right now I don’t believe Stoops is going anywhere either.