OT: Jon Snow (don't read if you haven't seen season 5 or read book 5)
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Here's my take on all of it, but basically the show people and HBO are obviously saying he's dead and definitely dead. He'll be brought back to life by the red woman. I mean she just walked back into castle black.
The show also does a series called "a beautiful death" where basically they highlight a particular death scene in each episode. It's actually pretty well done artistically. http://beautifuldeath.com/
Jon Snow's death was not highlighted on the site for the finale. Plus, Kit Harrington has had multiple sightings on set.
The show also does a series called "a beautiful death" where basically they highlight a particular death scene in each episode. It's actually pretty well done artistically. http://beautifuldeath.com/
Jon Snow's death was not highlighted on the site for the finale. Plus, Kit Harrington has had multiple sightings on set.
They've moved into non published territory with this season, but GRRM has said the producers know the basic ending point, but I've heard they are going to take a lot of liberties getting there.
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Not only has he been filmed, but he's been filmed not wearing the black of the Night's Watch, but an outfit more similar to what Rob wore. My guess is that Melisandre brings him back to life (basically the entire reason Baric Dondarrion is ever shown and killed - his resurrection is sort of like Chekhov's gun, to be later used on a character that actually matters.
When he comes back, his "watch has ended" because he died, and that loophole allows him to go back to being a Snow at the very least. Perhaps he wants to head to Winterfell to try to rescue Sansa, and runs into she andTheon Reek Theon fleeing.
Also, I'm a bit worried that focusing on Euron and the Iron Isles this season is going to be as much of a drag as Dorn was last season. The sand snakes were poorly fleshed out and a bit confusing in the books, and doubly so on screen.
Not only has he been filmed, but he's been filmed not wearing the black of the Night's Watch, but an outfit more similar to what Rob wore. My guess is that Melisandre brings him back to life (basically the entire reason Baric Dondarrion is ever shown and killed - his resurrection is sort of like Chekhov's gun, to be later used on a character that actually matters.
When he comes back, his "watch has ended" because he died, and that loophole allows him to go back to being a Snow at the very least. Perhaps he wants to head to Winterfell to try to rescue Sansa, and runs into she and
Also, I'm a bit worried that focusing on Euron and the Iron Isles this season is going to be as much of a drag as Dorn was last season. The sand snakes were poorly fleshed out and a bit confusing in the books, and doubly so on screen.
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I had a video autoplay on Youtube a while back and it made a substantial argument that Jon Snow is the über-main character/destination of the series, who will unite the kingdoms.
The author can change his mind on the final resolution, but I can't see his death not being resolved this season.
I had a video autoplay on Youtube a while back and it made a substantial argument that Jon Snow is the über-main character/destination of the series, who will unite the kingdoms.
The author can change his mind on the final resolution, but I can't see his death not being resolved this season.
Like others have said, I believe he is dead but is brought back by the Red Witch. At some point I think he, Tyrion Lannister, and Daenerys Targaryen become the 3 dragon riders and ultimately destroy the White Walkers. Here's why: (pure speculation on my part)
1. Only Targaryens can ride dragons.
2. Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. This is why Ned Stark never told him who his mother was.
3. Tyrion Lannister is actually the son of the Mad King, the result of the Mad King raping his mother.
1. Only Targaryens can ride dragons.
2. Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. This is why Ned Stark never told him who his mother was.
3. Tyrion Lannister is actually the son of the Mad King, the result of the Mad King raping his mother.
He will be brought back to life by Melisandre. BUT, she will need king's blood. Thats where Theon (reek) comes in and will be burned to the torch to bring back Snow to make up for what he did to Rob Stark.
He has been in photos wearing the same clothes as Ned Stark from Season 1, so I bet it happens early in the season and he marches on Winterfell to take out the Boltons.
He has been in photos wearing the same clothes as Ned Stark from Season 1, so I bet it happens early in the season and he marches on Winterfell to take out the Boltons.
Interesting idea...never would have thought about it if you hadn't said something. Don't know at this point.
The Prince that is Promised (aka the rebirth of Azor Ahai) will be reborn through smoke and salt. So a funeral pyre could be all that is needed for Melisandre, if Jon really is the Prince that is Promised. I don't think Theon will be involved involved in the rebirth. He may be sacrificed later on, but I think they are too far from the Wall for him to be used now.
At the end of season 4, that dude in the tree told Bran he would never walk again, but he would fly. That's what made me think of that. Who knows. I love Tyrion, I just can't see him being a hero in that way.
Question on reek:
Were he and Sansa not killed by jumping off the castle black? I thought it hsowed them landing on stone? Did they land in a snow drift or something?
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In the book, he survives the jump by landing in some deep snow. But he's not with sansa since she didn't marry Ramsay in winterfell. He's with another girl who is pretending to be someone else that ramsay married because of who she was pretending to be. But the girl she was pretending to be is far away pretending to be a multitude of people, depending on the day. Meanwhile, sansa is in the vale pretending to be someone else. Also, the books are a lot more confusing than the show.
In the book, he survives the jump by landing in some deep snow. But he's not with sansa since she didn't marry Ramsay in winterfell. He's with another girl who is pretending to be someone else that ramsay married because of who she was pretending to be. But the girl she was pretending to be is far away pretending to be a multitude of people, depending on the day. Meanwhile, sansa is in the vale pretending to be someone else. Also, the books are a lot more confusing than the show.
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I gave up on the show completely when I saw they'd spoil unpublished portions of the books. I'll wait and read the books then jump back in the show.
The Video I Saw
promoted this line of reasoning. Ned Stark would rather lose his life than be unfaithful. No way in Westerros Ned Stark had an affair. Ned had to promise that he would father the boy in order to keep him safe.
Plus, the whole series is called "The Song of Fire and Ice". The narrative started with House Targaryen and House Stark and will end there. I add to that that Ned Stark's sword was called "Ice". But I can't figure out why House Targaryen was called "Fire".**
promoted this line of reasoning. Ned Stark would rather lose his life than be unfaithful. No way in Westerros Ned Stark had an affair. Ned had to promise that he would father the boy in order to keep him safe.
Plus, the whole series is called "The Song of Fire and Ice". The narrative started with House Targaryen and House Stark and will end there. I add to that that Ned Stark's sword was called "Ice". But I can't figure out why House Targaryen was called "Fire".**
Valid arguement. It is a weeks ride from winterfell to the wall.
Just thought about this, but did Beric Dondarrian need kings blood to be reborn after being killed by the Hound? I dont think he did in the show or the books.
Just thought about this, but did Beric Dondarrian need kings blood to be reborn after being killed by the Hound? I dont think he did in the show or the books.
Meera Reed may very well be his twin sister as well. Notice how much she looks like him in the show.
i would think that would burn the warg that attempted it. warging people is shown as difficult, and dragons are described as fire made flesh. i think Jon's unique power of Ice and Fire will be the ability to warg dragons.
Plus Meera's "father" Howland was with Ned on the rescue mission for Lyanna. Splitting up the twins would be easier to explain, harder to trace, etc. It would also explain why Howland isn't heard from throughout the series despite him apparently being a regular visitor to Winterfell prior to the Rebellion.
Although, it is interesting that Jon goes by Snow and Meera goes by Reed. Reed isn't one of the bastard names, to my knowledge (and if it were that would mean that Howland was a bastard as well, which just seems like too much unnecessary detail - or exactly how Martin likes it).