I mean we have to do something with our massive military budget, lol
*sarcasm, but unfortunately not really
OT: Missing Titanic Sub
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Abject silliness that killed 5 people.
What on earth expertise does Ding have on submersibles? Guy should stay in his lane.
I read that statement as "Let me do stupid things that put me and the people stupid enough to pay me at risk. And when I need help from my stupid acts. I want to put other people at risk ( namely the military, coast guard and commercial fishermen) and have the government pay for it. All while keeping all of the money that people paid me. And when they don't react quick enough, I will out them for not acting on my self centered wishes."
Did I read it correctly
For sure.
I assume they have their phones with them. Imagine being in a small vessel taking turns recording your goodbyes to your loved ones. Brutal.
not piling on... again, suggest people take a look at the vid. I posted above - from an actual SME on this...
there is nothing specifically wrong with a Playstation controller. In fact, the US Navy uses game controllers on nuclear submarines all the time these days...
There ARE real questions about "wireless" controllers--and back-up systems - along with many many other questions about how this vessel was designed, constructed, and operated..
If it turns out the Playstation controller wasn't at fault but the multimillion dollar custom portal window imploded, can we take a lesson that pushbuttons are pushbuttons, and it doesn't need to be expensive to be the best solution?
But I still think you should choose your inherent danger wisely. If there is a chance of dying in an exploding ball of fire....sure sign me up. But if there is a chance of suffocating over an excruciating 3 days trapped with a bunch of losers in a tiny tin can....like...I don't think so.
Cell phones do not work under water in submarines......SONAR works under water and Cellular or WiFi work in the air.
This thread is turning out to be a sad indictment of our culture right now.
Nobody in this thread actually knows anything except for what has been published in the media. Hell, much of what's been presented here is via social media, that unimpeachable source of all knowledge.
And yet everybody is leaping to all kinds of firm conclusions laced with strongly worded condemnations that, shockingly, conform to their, mostly ideologically-driven, preconceptions about everything.
Do we even know if the sub's occupants are dead yet? But it's still apparently a fine time for everybody to stake out their positions using talking points that are sure to satisfy their respective chosen echo chambers.
"I don't know exactly what's going on. But I damn well know who to blame. I knew who to blame before I woke up this morning. "
- About 80% of Americans today
Nobody in this thread actually knows anything except for what has been published in the media. Hell, much of what's been presented here is via social media, that unimpeachable source of all knowledge.
And yet everybody is leaping to all kinds of firm conclusions laced with strongly worded condemnations that, shockingly, conform to their, mostly ideologically-driven, preconceptions about everything.
Do we even know if the sub's occupants are dead yet? But it's still apparently a fine time for everybody to stake out their positions using talking points that are sure to satisfy their respective chosen echo chambers.
"I don't know exactly what's going on. But I damn well know who to blame. I knew who to blame before I woke up this morning. "
- About 80% of Americans today
Good video, he explains all the problems he could see from available data and reiterates this was an experimental craft. The sub wasn't even tested to 3800 meters down(Titanic depth), only to just over 3000 meters. Also, that you don't need an entire team of 50yr. old white guys, but you do need some who know what the **** is going on and have done it before. His conclusion seemed to be either life support failed, or it simply shattered and they're already dead.
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I assume he meant they they are recording it on the phone, with the hopes of someone finding the vessel after they die and extracting the messages.
Industrial automation very often uses proven commercial hardware. As an engineer that doesn't bother me. We've used these controllers for over a decade( over 4000hrs) without a failure. How they validated their design (hardware exposed to the pressure) could withstand and function under these pressures would be the real concern.
Which is completely reasonable for an engineer to think.
I'm just talking about the rest of us "less evolved" lol. I'm just saying that if I'm paying $250k to get to the titanic, when they whip out the knockoff walmart brand playstation controller to steer the Submarine before descent, I'm politely turning around, walking away and never even considering this.
Heck I'm just scarred from enough Madden games where my controller dies and the pause menu pops up. That's be a hell of a time for that to occur... Heck I've stepped on a controller before and broke it... You mean to tell me you're only way to steer us out from 4000 Meters below sea level is a knockoff Playstation 2 controller??? Oh no no no, no way, no shot, ain't no way in hell I'm getting on that thing
I get what you're saying. But I see a distinct difference between doing something fun and having to be rescued (hiking or skiing) doing something stupid and having to be rescued (drunk boating ), versus doing something where you literally have to sign a waiver that says in 20 different places you may die and needing to be rescued.
They were in a 4 hour dive. They went off line less then 2 hours in. Unless they were descending too fast I don't see depth pressure as being the issue. However some have said it was never tested under 1300 meters so who the hell knows. They haven't been found by know so they won't have enough air for a rescue anyway. Oh well.
Yea guy has been more wrong than right over the last 3 years in that lane. While preaching how smart he is to anyone who will listen. I liked last month how he was offering investment advice.
Yep that’s what I meant. Remove the passcode and record a video. Also delete browsing history
And I mean, rescues are kind of the job of the Coast Guard, even if it's rescuing rich people.
It appears he was born in the UK, but he's American. His father was a U.S. Marine.
He's also directly descended from original American patriots - Benjamin Rush and Richard Stockton, both signers of the Declaration.
Regardless of citizenship, the U.S. is leading the search because the U.S. has the most capability and capacity in the North Atlantic. At sea you don't question alliances - the absolute, inviolable law is that if you're able to assist, you assist.
The United States Navy uses PlayStation controllers to control the photonics masts on Virginia class submarines.
Photonics masts have replaced periscopes and have the capability to pan / zoom / enhance digital images in real time. The originally deployed flight control joysticks from F-15s but found they weren't reliable, so opted to switch to the game controllers and save a few hundred thousand dollars.
Agreed
Some forms you sign when scuba diving say all kinds of crazy **** like you can't sue if a crew members drowns you intentionally or not. If their equipment kills you. No way that kind of crap holds up to scrutiny. I laugh every time I read one.
Rich doesn't equal smart.All I’m saying is that they trusted profit motive alone to keep themselves safe.Even Milton Friedman wouldn’t have been dumb enough to get into that thing.
Good point on that last one.Yep that’s what I meant. Remove the passcode and record a video. Also delete browsing history
Nope, we cannot agree on this. I’m sorry but if I’m on a vessel that costs $250k per seat, you better have a full blown cockpit. I want overrides, underrides, upside down rides and everything in between. I want a back up co pilot control in place in case the main one fails. If I’m going 4000 meters below sea level, a PlayStation controller is NEVER an acceptable form of control
interesting.
Do photonics masts carry people? Asking out of ignorance. I see no issues using PlayStation controllers for drones and other things that are not carrying people. The moment people become involved I want a proper ‘cockpit’
Who said the conclusions anyone reached are firm? We are discussing a topic based on the facts presented
Because we're the closest to the situation outside of Canada and they don't have the capabilities.
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It's not really about the relative tensile strength of the conclusions so much as about the fact that the conclusions, soft or firm, were pretty obviously reached long before this incident occurred. That's the problem - the incident is just another excuse to express our intolerance of one-another.
Modern-day exploring, going where few have gone before. That's the attraction there.
Do any moderately dangerous activity and you'll have to sign a waiver like that.
This should have been fairly tame. Nothing crazy about it, imo, save for not properly vetting the company and equipment.
we know this... the people on board lived a high-variance lifestyle.
and we know that in maritime emergencies the ships closest are bound to respond... especially those that can do something to help.
and we know that in maritime emergencies the ships closest are bound to respond... especially those that can do something to help.
James Cameron (Titanic director) has done this type of trip like 33 times. While it may look stupid for all of us, it's not something that never been done before. Agreed, it should have been tame in theory, but the submersible itself was a nightmare waiting to happen.
Sadly, this is going to end badly. Even if they find this thing , it’s gonna be hard to rescue them
I think we agree mostly, but I think it looks pretty cool and fully understand why they'd want to do it. Unfortunately, looks to be horrifically executed.
Blame goes on the company, not the people who paid for a trip.
Are video game controllers poorly engineered? How would you know if that custom & expensive looking pilot console is more or less reliable than a game controller that has been tried & true millions of times over? It's the same signals coming out the interface pins whether its a $50 8bitdo controller or a $5000 custom job. Yeah it's a bit unexpected but you think the computer mice at your local power plant are any more special than what's on your desk?