OT: NIL implications in light of the Rashada situation

[18IsTheMan]

A question that came to mind over this situation with Rashada regards his NIL situation. It has widely been reported that the Gator Collective had a $13 million deal in place, but was unable to fulfill it, leading to Rashada officially requesting his release.

First, if I were Napier, I'd tell this kid to pound sand. Use your one-time transfer if you don't want to come here.

We don't know details of how the the NIL was structured, but if Rashada were to make $13 million over his 3 seasons (assuming he wouldn't play 4), that's $4.33 million/year. If he did play 4, it's still $3.25 million/year. The OC at UF only makes $1 million/year. I'm trying to imagine the dynamics on a college team when an incoming freshman is the 2nd highest paid person on the team, after only the head coach.

I just have to wonder how it works when you bring in an 18 year old kid, fresh out of high school, obviously with a massive ego and give him millions of dollars. How's he gonna respond when the OC making $1 million/year is barking at him for throwing a bad interception? It works in the pros, but those aren't 18 year old kids and there are contracts with guidelines, stipulations, etc. You can't just take your ball and go elsewhere.

 

[muscleknight]

This is going to make him unsignable. He will end up with no money.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I certainly hope it does. Probably not though. Winning trumps character.

The kid seems like a cancer, and I wouldn't want him in my locker room.

What's gonna happen if these kids sign for NIL money and there's a hiccup with the NIL payments mid-season? Do they sit until they get paid?

 

[cousin ed]

Can he even play?

 

[Prestonyte]

I certainly hope it does. Probably not though. Winning trumps character.

The kid seems like a cancer, and I wouldn't want him in my locker room.

What's gonna happen if these kids sign for NIL money and there's a hiccup with the NIL payments mid-season? Do they sit until they get paid?

Too many questions like this for this NIL thing to even function

 

[Anon1671602102]

This is going to make him unsignable. He will end up with no money.

Not if there was a signed agreement. I believe he will have a leg to stand on to get some of it. He did what he was suppose to do. Which was sign his letter of intent.

My understanding he is the collective agreed to pay him $13 million to come play at Florida and then didn’t come through on that agreement.

 

[18IsTheMan]

It's crazy that their collective even offered him this kind of money in the first place. He's a top 100 recruit, but that kind of money is top 5 recruit money.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Pretty good read on the situation:

Finebaum Show Discusses 'Utterly Bizarre' Florida-Jaden Rashada Saga

Paul Finebaum and Andrea Adelson didn't hold back while critiquing the NIL situation preventing quarterback Jaden Rashada from joining the Florida Gators.

www.si.com

As Adelson points out, NIL agents are likely driving a lot of this. You have some agent come around a 17 or 18 year old kid and start selling him dreams of millions dollars here or there. NIL didn't just open the door for players to get their share, agents have swooped in like vultures to claim a piece of the pie as well.

Also, based on what I've read elsewhere, UF folks are already souring a bit on Napier. Even though they kicked our tails, their season was seen as deeply disappointing. And losing out on Rashada b/c of NIL, seems to change their perception that he's an ace recruiter.

 

[USCBatgirl21]

This situation is a prime example of what NIL was NOT intended to be and all that is wrong with the NCAA's rush to implement it without setting parameters.

 

[18IsTheMan]

This situation is a prime example of what NIL was NOT intended to be and all that is wrong with the NCAA's rush to implement it without setting parameters.

It is not what it was intended to be, but it is what everyone predicted it would be.

 

[Irvin Snibbley]

Not sure of all the facts but listening to recruiting guru Mike Farrell on ESPNU yesterday it was his understanding that the NIL agreed to was a lessor amount and the player started asking for more and threatened to not report to school if he didn’t get a higher amount.Perhaps this is where the 13 mil came from and maybe the collective never actually agreed to that amount.Who knows! But it looks bad for Florida and the young man both.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Not sure of all the facts but listening to recruiting guru Mike Farrell on ESPNU yesterday it was his understanding that the NIL agreed to was a lessor amount and the player started asking for more and threatened to not report to school if he didn’t get a higher amount.Perhaps this is where the 13 mil came from and maybe the collective never actually agreed to that amount.Who knows! But it looks bad for Florida and the young man both.

It shouldn't look bad for Florida, since schools are not involved with NIL (wink, wink).

 

[Cockgun]

It all started with Michael Vick and has now morphed into this over the years,

 

[Prestonyte]

This situation is a prime example of what NIL was NOT intended to be and all that is wrong with the NCAA's rush to implement it without setting parameters.

No parameters, rules or "contracts" for free agency would not work in the NFL and certainly will not work at the college level either.

 

[Anon1671602102]

This situation is a prime example of what NIL was NOT intended to be and all that is wrong with the NCAA's rush to implement it without setting parameters.

What parameters would you like them to set?

 

[KingWard]

The more often one of these "deals" blows up, the better I like it.

 

[USCBatgirl21]

What parameters would you like them to set?

Be enrolled for at least one year before eligible for NIL for starters.
Some kind of penalty if they transfer, ie return a % of the NIL, return any gifts (i.e. cars).

 

[USCBatgirl21]

The more often one of these "deals" blows up, the better I like it.

Especially these that are clearly buying a recruit.

 

[18IsTheMan]

What parameters would you like them to set?

I can't say for sure, but I think everyone would agree that no parameters isn't working out very well.

 

[Anon1671602102]

Be enrolled for at least one year before eligible for NIL for starters.
Some kind of penalty if they transfer, ie return a % of the NIL, return any gifts (i.e. cars).

Seeing as how the NCAA can not regulate NIL , because of the Supreme Court ruling , how do you look to accomplish that legally?

 

[USCBatgirl21]

Seeing as how the NCAA can not regulate NIL , because of the Supreme Court ruling , how do you look to accomplish that legally?

If they can tell us we can't have our thing, then obviously they can regulate it to some extent. There are loopholes that give them some authority. The NCAA took the easy way out leaving it up to the states and schools to make the rules. Just as they took the easiest path with Title IX. I don't think a regulation that the kid has to be enrolled a year before any NIL deal is made is unreasonable. It would help curtail the current buying of recruits that is running rampant.

 

[CockofEarle]

This situation is a prime example of what NIL was NOT intended to be and all that is wrong with the NCAA's rush to implement it without setting parameters.

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[USCBatgirl21]

Hope u’ve been doing well. Know yer getting fired up…….nothing quite
like a ball hitting a mit or crack of the bat.
Daddy doing well? Give him my regards

Doing well. Daddy is as good as ever. Turned 79 the day of the Gator Bowl.
We're getting ready for baseball, but not all that excited about what we may see tbh.

 

[Anon1671602102]

If they can tell us we can't have our thing, then obviously they can regulate it to some extent. There are loopholes that give them some authority. The NCAA took the easy way out leaving it up to the states and schools to make the rules. Just as they took the easiest path with Title IX. I don't think a regulation that the kid has to be enrolled a year before any NIL deal is made is unreasonable. It would help curtail the current buying of recruits that is running rampant.

To me that would fall under taking someone’s NiL without giving them reimbursement for it. That’s the very thing the Supreme Court ruled on. I don’t understand how you make that rule hold up in court

 

[USCBatgirl21]

To me that would fall under taking someone’s NiL without giving them reimbursement for it. That’s the very thing the Supreme Court ruled on. I don’t understand how you make that rule hold up in court

If their NIL isn't used in promotional items like video games, jerseys, etc during that first year, as was the basis for the original lawsuit, there is no issue. Once that year has passed, pay them for the use of their NIL if it's used.

I will say something needs to be done to also curtail the prospect of NIL to lure kids away from a school. If they enter the portal, and have cut all ties with the present school, let the bidding begin. But the way it's being used in recruiting out of high school is wrong. It is nothing more than buying players. I don't care how many stars the kid has. If he's that good, he's probably going to a school that has 84 other big names already and will end up just being another name on a roster.

And I say this as the parent of a prospective college athlete..

 

[Snake006]

This is going to make him unsignable. He will end up with no money.

That would be fine with me. This money grabbing greed needs to slow down.

 

[Prestonyte]

If they can tell us we can't have our thing, then obviously they can regulate it to some extent. There are loopholes that give them some authority. The NCAA took the easy way out leaving it up to the states and schools to make the rules. Just as they took the easiest path with Title IX. I don't think a regulation that the kid has to be enrolled a year before any NIL deal is made is unreasonable. It would help curtail the current buying of recruits that is running rampant.

If their NIL isn't used in promotional items like video games, jerseys, etc during that first year, as was the basis for the original lawsuit, there is no issue. Once that year has passed, pay them for the use of their NIL if it's used.

I will say something needs to be done to also curtail the prospect of NIL to lure kids away from a school. If they enter the portal, and have cut all ties with the present school, let the bidding begin. But the way it's being used in recruiting out of high school is wrong. It is nothing more than buying players. I don't care how many stars the kid has. If he's that good, he's probably going to a school that has 84 other big names already and will end up just being another name on a roster.

And I say this as the parent of a prospective college athlete..

There should be some requirement to produce something more than a signed LOI to get paid - like a few yards and TD's or tackles and interceptions, maybe even win a few games first. Some stipulations would be nice!

 

[USCBatgirl21]

There should be some requirement to produce something more than a signed LOI to get paid - like a few yards and TD's or tackles and interceptions, maybe even win a few games first. Some stipulations would be nice!

Heaven forbid they actually have to do some work to earn their $$. It has gotten out of hand FAST. And the ones who try to do things the right way - us - get told by the NCAA "no you can't do that".
NCAA = National Council of Asinine A**hats.

 

[18IsTheMan]

It's funny to me that folks say the schools are not involved with NIL, but every article on this fiasco says something along the lines of "Florida's NIL failure."

 

[18IsTheMan]

Well, UF caved and released him. No doubt, I’d have forced him to use his transfer.

 

[Anon1671602102]

There should be some requirement to produce something more than a signed LOI to get paid - like a few yards and TD's or tackles and interceptions, maybe even win a few games first. Some stipulations would be nice!

Some have already done the work. Some already have a brand with an established following. That following online is worth money. So I’m not sure I agree with this. And again the NCAA will have major legal problems trying to make any rules on NIl. If hey will most definitely will have to defend it in court.

 

[Anon1671602102]

Also not really sure the animosity toward the player is warranted. He went to Florida because of an agreement that didn’t come to true. That’s ******** in my opinion and he should be able to go where he wants.

 

[Lurker123]

Also not really sure the animosity toward the player is warranted. He went to Florida because of an agreement that didn’t come to true. That’s ******** in my opinion and he should be able to go where he wants.

Isn't that only according to him? Or has that been corroborated?

 

[Anon1671602102]

Isn't that only according to him? Or has that been corroborated?

Per ESPN, he was told by the collective that he would get 13mil. They then waited till after he signed his letter of intent to tell him that the deal fell through.

 

[Lurker123]

Per ESPN, he was told by the collective that he would get 13mil. They then waited till after he signed his letter of intent to tell him that the deal fell through.

That's kind of what I meant. ESPN reported it, but they are only reporting what he said.

Meaning I'm curious if there is more to the story, and this is just his side.

Regardless, 13 million is ridiculous.

 

[Anon1671602102]

That's kind of what I meant. ESPN reported it, but they are only reporting what he said.

Meaning I'm curious if there is more to the story, and this is just his side.

Regardless, 13 million is ridiculous.

If there was more to the story it would be reported on. This is 2023. No one would have missed an opportunity to report an alternative story line. They also let him out of his letter of intent, that’s pretty telling. The collective has also not stated that it’s untrue.

 

[VidaliaGamecock]

A question that came to mind over this situation with Rashada regards his NIL situation. It has widely been reported that the Gator Collective had a $13 million deal in place, but was unable to fulfill it, leading to Rashada officially requesting his release.

First, if I were Napier, I'd tell this kid to pound sand. Use your one-time transfer if you don't want to come here.

We don't know details of how the the NIL was structured, but if Rashada were to make $13 million over his 3 seasons (assuming he wouldn't play 4), that's $4.33 million/year. If he did play 4, it's still $3.25 million/year. The OC at UF only makes $1 million/year. I'm trying to imagine the dynamics on a college team when an incoming freshman is the 2nd highest paid person on the team, after only the head coach.

I just have to wonder how it works when you bring in an 18 year old kid, fresh out of high school, obviously with a massive ego and give him millions of dollars. How's he gonna respond when the OC making $1 million/year is barking at him for throwing a bad interception? It works in the pros, but those aren't 18 year old kids and there are contracts with guidelines, stipulations, etc. You can't just take your ball and go elsewhere.

People wondered how long it would take for l a situation like this to happen with NIL. I am not sure if I thought it would take longer. This deal is better than an NFL rookie qb contract, this game has officially gone stupid.

 

[Lurker123]

If there was more to the story it would be reported on. This is 2023. No one would have missed an opportunity to report an alternative story line. They also let him out of his letter of intent, that’s pretty telling. The collective has also not stated that it’s untrue.

I disagree. If there were reasons that would have implicated the school or collective in wrongdoing, I can see them taking the public black eye and keeping quiet.

I guess my contention is that even now, the truth isn't always what's reported. I have much less faith than that.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Wait...wait....wait....

I was told that I was just ignorant when I said that schools are tied into these deals and that I should call the recruiting police and report them if I suspected they were because they can "get into trouble". Other here agreed with that gullible poster.

Apathy has gotten me.. | On3

Like I said, gullible AF.

 

[Prestonyte]

Nothing happens at UF Football that UF Football doesn't have first hand knowledge and approval of.

The first problem with NIL is that it exists at all and the inequity among the players which creates a "me first" non-team atmosphere. If the court says players have to be paid, pay them equally and maintain the team atmosphere. Those who excel are being given the opportunity/forum to sell their skills to the highest bidder at the NFL level, not at the college recruiting level. Instead of signing with the college paying the most $$ to sign an LOI, you sign with the college you think gives you the best opportunity to show off your talent.
Second problem is the lack of rules and lack of enforcement of the few rules which do exist - which may be very limited with an equal pay rule.