OT: Parchman
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Yeah, I saw this yesterday and was also curious. And it’s not just Parchman. Looks like the entire prison system in MS is in trouble. Read an article about the facility in South MS, and sounds like the inmates are literally running it. 1 guard for 23 inmates. I think they said the national avg was like 1:9/10
Rumor is.... gang executions. Guards being bribed to allow access to some inmates by other inmates.
obviously, contraband is easy to obtain in Parchman. I saw a Facebook live feed by an inmate inside parchman yesterday. Wild.
obviously, contraband is easy to obtain in Parchman. I saw a Facebook live feed by an inmate inside parchman yesterday. Wild.
Prisons are overpopulated and understaffed. In a nutshell, that’s how you get here. I’d love to know how the whole thing kicked off. Probably something dumb like a gambling debt between 2 guys in opposition gangs. That starts a gang banging at one facility. Every facility’s inmates have phones and are connected so the gang war spreads system wide. The 2 biggest baddest facilities are obviously Parchman & SMCI and it’s not uncommon for a gang problem to start at one of those places and spread to throughout each place and spill over to the other because that’s where the highest ranking leadership is. However, it’s rare to spill statewide to regional facilities like it’s done. I’m sure guards are quitting left and right compounding the issue.
That’s not at all how it works. Most co jobs pay next to nothing and that’s why jails are almost always rural. Once they’re in terrible work conditions with awful wages, then they are susceptible to being bribed. Gangs aren’t controlling the MDOC hiring process.
Here’s a wild thought.
Take cable and all other amenities away.
Make them grow their own food without pay.
Make them do other work without pay.
Use that extra money to pay more guards higher wages.
I mean it’s 17ing prison.
Take cable and all other amenities away.
Make them grow their own food without pay.
Make them do other work without pay.
Use that extra money to pay more guards higher wages.
I mean it’s 17ing prison.
I mean it’s a double positive.
Saves tax payer money and they learn some skills to be used when they are rehabilitated.
Saves tax payer money and they learn some skills to be used when they are rehabilitated.
Then you'd have an even worse than it already is legalized slave labor. Literally millions of people have already been inprisoned for very mild "crimes" just to be used as slave labor. You'd have 50% of the population in prison if nobody had to pay them.
MDOC is severely underfunded. Pay guards next to nothing, infrastructure problems, high turnover. Maybe Tater Tot will finally address it.
Prison for profit is 100% the problem. Prison is a big industry in the US. They are a lobbyist group just like any other that has to feed the beast. That has left us with prisons packed and understaffed and it’s just gladiator school. If you think the conditions at Parchman are too good or easy, you just don’t understand. Parchman is a huge farm where they already do what you’re saying to do.
I partially buy this but I can guarantee you the government can’t be more efficient.
The problem I’m guessing is corruption/lobbying. Bids should be competitive and very easy for the public to see the process.
If a private company is gouging the government, someone would be willing to come in and do it cheaper to still make a profit be it smaller.
The problem I’m guessing is corruption/lobbying. Bids should be competitive and very easy for the public to see the process.
If a private company is gouging the government, someone would be willing to come in and do it cheaper to still make a profit be it smaller.
When you think about the conditions there, it's not hard to imagine why. I'm not suggesting it's not deserved, but I'm surprised we don't hear about this more often.
“Literally millions” isn’t a few wrongfully CONVICTED criminals in parchman.
I’d love to bash you on statistics when breaking crimes down by demographics.
I’d love to bash you on statistics when breaking crimes down by demographics.
Well prison for profit can be a problem, but it can’t be 100% the problem. We have a couple of privately run prisons in this state but that’s actually reduced recently as our state has reduced the number of incarcerations at large facilities.
But MDOC runs Parchman and it ain’t for a profit. And what Misfit pointed out does happen. Easy for someone with an agenda to get a guard job.
But MDOC runs Parchman and it ain’t for a profit. And what Misfit pointed out does happen. Easy for someone with an agenda to get a guard job.
Ah yes, because the new scarcity of resources will totally bring peace to the prison.
That's both dumb and illegal.
It’s waaaay deeper than if it’s a state run prison or privately run prison. The price gouging that goes on with the phone contract, chemical contract, and commissary contract just to name a few are astronomical. Who owns those companies? The GOB political heavyweights own those privately held companies who get state contracts. There are a ton of powerful interest that want those prisons full for profit outside of simply the MDOC. Google MDOC commissioner Chris Epps and you’ll get the tip of the iceberg of the political corruption that goes on.
I question the logical capabilities of those of you suggesting making the conditions in one of the most overcrowded and underfunded prison systems worse is the answer to this problem.
We need to be emptying prisons, not filling them. The United States has the highest percentage of inmate population in the first world, and Mississippi is the third worst state for it with a whopping 624 per 100k locked up- or almost one percent of the states entire population that the state is responsible for feeding, clothing, sheltering, and protecting before you even get into legal costs.
You want an example of government waste that can be cut? Look right there.
We need to be emptying prisons, not filling them. The United States has the highest percentage of inmate population in the first world, and Mississippi is the third worst state for it with a whopping 624 per 100k locked up- or almost one percent of the states entire population that the state is responsible for feeding, clothing, sheltering, and protecting before you even get into legal costs.
You want an example of government waste that can be cut? Look right there.
I don’t need to google anything, I know all about that case. My point was that if you take the for-profit piece away you will still have issues like you have at Parchman. I’ve worked a lot of cases involving just that. If you can’t understand what I’m saying that’s about all I have for you.
One more quick stat: it costs Mississippi $53.72 per day per inmate, again, before legal costs.
With the above lock up rate, that's 20,160 prisoners in Mississippi on average. Multiply that times the above cost 1.082m/day, nearly $400m/yr. I just checked and apparently Mississippi has 754k taxpayers total. Final math:
Our prison population is costing you $530 in taxes per year.
With the above lock up rate, that's 20,160 prisoners in Mississippi on average. Multiply that times the above cost 1.082m/day, nearly $400m/yr. I just checked and apparently Mississippi has 754k taxpayers total. Final math:
Our prison population is costing you $530 in taxes per year.
I entered Parchman recently for a work related matter for the 1st time. Pulled up to the main gate in my F150. The guard lady asked if I had any contraband listed on the big sign. I said yeah about half the stuff on the list. A knife, tools, camera, cell phone ... pretty much everything on the list but guns and drugs. She said don't worry about it go on in the guard you need to see is on his way to meet you. I did what I needed to do and exiting the guard lady looked in the cab of my truck/bed and sent me on my way. She never looked in my truck or got out of the guard house on my way in.
It isnt as simple as replacing one company with another that will do the job for less.
That's overly simplistic.
Prison as an industry is a dangerous 17ing setup. When people financially benefit from locking up individuals, there is going to be corruption, questionable sentencing, and a push against decriminalization of acts that arent socially viewed as harmful.
There are massive profits being made off Parchman. I’d even go as far as to say that the GOBs don’t want privately run prisons because they want the contracts. So when you say Parchman isn’t for profit, you’re really missing my point. If you’re claiming the industrial prison complex doesn’t exist in MS because they are state run, I’d have to disagree and then laugh.
There is no question, petit theft and minor drug “users” should not be incarcerated in the State system, and it should be minimal charges. 10 days for minor drug users, no matter how many times they are caught and should be local lockup only. Marijuana more than say 5 oz. should be a painful fine but not jail time, say something like driving 65 in a 40 would be ($450 or so). If they can’t pay, they can work it off. But no incarceration. Murderers and Rapists should get the death penalty if 100% proof of guilt. No appeals. The schools and churches need to be full and the prisons need to be for hardened criminals.
MPI
Mississippi prison industries does this but it’s like less than 10% of the Prison population that participate. Need to grow that and expand the nonprofit. Rehabilitation has to be in the conversation.
Mississippi prison industries does this but it’s like less than 10% of the Prison population that participate. Need to grow that and expand the nonprofit. Rehabilitation has to be in the conversation.
And this is the only message that will ever drive change. Why? Because prisons are the ultimate “out of sight / out of mind” problem for the overwhelming majority of the voting public. For the most part, nobody cares if they are eating their own fecal matter or sleeping on a concrete slab. After all, they are criminals and they deserve to be there, right? Gotta show the dollars to get any sort of real reform.
I didn’t say it was that simplistic and not all for profit companies are immoral pieces of ****.
Well, that's Illinois. Hell if they could they'd release every prisoner in the state and then give them all the free stuff they wanted.
You didnt say it was that simplistic, but you also didnt say all that would be necessary for your view to happen. Not really sure what your point is here- you act like you arent claiming its simple while you dont list how difficult it would be.
And I agree that not all for profit companies are immoral pieces of ****. I didnt say or even hint at that. My comments were specific to prisons that are for profit. Even then, I dont think those private companies are all immoral pieces of ****(since I dont know of all of them), but I do think they will lobby for more business, which inherently means more people are in prison for longer. As I did say- its a dangerous setup.
I care about the people's well being, but I phrased my argument like this because that's the only way to get some people's attention. How many people knew that they were paying $50+/mo in taxes to maintain the third highest per capita prison population in a country that has the highest per capita prison population in the developed world?
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