OT: Satellite Campuses....

[BogeyGolfer.sixpack]

I realize that we want people/students to attend the main campus in Starkville, we have campus in Meridian that's only 90 miles away. Why not have a large facility on the coast? With distance learning and even before covid, I would think that it would be very beneficial..Does the IHL prevent this??

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Yes. IHL universities must have approval of the local IHL member.

Edit to add: Ole Miss having UMMC in Jackson gives them a foothold to offer classes in the Jackson area.

They don’t want to give up that opportunity and JSU’s previous suggestions that the med school be transferred to them would also mean that Ole Miss can’t have classes in Jackson. And there’s no way Ole Miss wants to give that up.

 

[Crucifictorious]

There was a push some years ago to begin an engineering program on the coast to go along with the shipyard. Don't know what came of that. The idea was that it would join with a local community college and maybe grow into a branch campus. I assume the idea died.

 

[Arthur2478]

There was a push some years ago to begin an engineering program on the coast to go along with the shipyard. Don't know what came of that. The idea was that it would join with a local community college and maybe grow into a branch campus. I assume the idea died.

I think there is some sort of engineering coalition with MGCCC, but I’m unsure of the exact details.

 

[patdog]

At one time, both UM and MSU offered classes in Jackson at the University Center. But the Ayers settlement put an end to that.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

With USM having a campus there it makes it a little more difficult.

 

[Duke Humphrey]

MSU is in its 4th(ish) year of offering 3rd and 4th year engineering classes at the MGCCC Jackson County Campus. Offering civil, mechanical and industrial, I believe. Has been a big success with plans to grow.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Right.

 

[Crucifictorious]

I'm glad to hear it has started up.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

Education is pretty covered in Mississippi. I don't think anymore satellite campuses are needed.

 

[PirateDawg]

USM has a campus on the coast. I don't think the state will allow us to compete with them there. Ole Miss has a satellite campus in Fulton, MS at ICC and their Jackson school of medicine. I think we should have annexed MUW back when it was an option.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Education is pretty covered in Mississippi. I don't think anymore satellite campuses are needed.

We need to shut down a couple.

 

[Bucksnort_Dawg]

I’ve always wondered why there is no university system in place in Mississippi like in states like Alabama, Arkansas, and many others.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Those of us who were students at MSU in the late 80s remember the “Save the Valley - Close Ole Miss” sign at Duggar...

It was hilarious when it made an appearance when we hosted Ole Miss at the Hump.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

I’ve always wondered why there is no university system in place in Mississippi like in states like Alabama, Arkansas, and many others.

Because there was no unity throughout the state, and the same dysfunction exists today. There was a select group of rich people who took what they wanted and left the rest of us to deal with the outfall. The IHL came along later but there's still a fair amount of homerific dysfunction there, or at least there has been until recently.

And it's not all racial. It's MSU vs. Ole Miss BS, then Southern whining, and then add in the racial part of the HBCUs and here we are.

One of two things need to happen to end it. Some real unity with hard decisions being made, or the state simply just needs to grow on its own. Chicken or the egg though, because growth usually happens through the universities. Ask South Carolina (the state) or Alabama.

 

[johnson86-1]

Because there was no unity throughout the state, and the same dysfunction exists today. There was a select group of rich people who took what they wanted and left the rest of us to deal with the outfall. The IHL came along later but there's still a fair amount of homerific dysfunction there, or at least there has been until recently.

And it's not all racial. It's MSU vs. Ole Miss BS, then Southern whining, and then add in the racial part of the HBCUs and here we are.

One of two things need to happen to end it. Some real unity with hard decisions being made, or the state simply just needs to grow on its own. Chicken or the egg though, because growth usually happens through the universities. Ask South Carolina (the state) or Alabama.

This is basically it. There have been attempts such as consolidating some back office functions, but there's not much more than can be done politically. POlitically, I think we could get to a point where DSU and MUW could be consolidated into Ole Miss and MSU, and the HBCUs consolidated into one system, but there's still no incentive for anybody to burn the political capital to do that. That's still going to get a decent number of people pissed off and the ones that appreciate the efficiency won't be nearly as animated by it as the people who are pissed off.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Haley Barbour tried to work with this issue & considering the political good will he rightfully earned with his leadership during and after Katrina, I thought he could have been a bit more successful.

 

[L4Dawg]

USM has a campus on the coast. I don't think the state will allow us to compete with them there. Ole Miss has a satellite campus in Fulton, MS at ICC and their Jackson school of medicine. I think we should have annexed MUW back when it was an option.

Ole Miss does not have a satellite in Fulton. It's in Tupelo.

 

[PineGroveBully]

I took my 3rd and 4th year accounting classes at the Tupelo campus. They also have satellite campus Southaven and Booneville.

 

[Bucksnort_Dawg]

This is basically it. There have been attempts such as consolidating some back office functions, but there's not much more than can be done politically. POlitically, I think we could get to a point where DSU and MUW could be consolidated into Ole Miss and MSU, and the HBCUs consolidated into one system, but there's still no incentive for anybody to burn the political capital to do that. That's still going to get a decent number of people pissed off and the ones that appreciate the efficiency won't be nearly as animated by it as the people who are pissed off.

Though this would never happen, there should be some type of collaboration between MSU and DSU. DSU sits in the second most fertile agriculture region in the nation and has no agriculture programs.

 

[RocketDawg]

Because there was no unity throughout the state, and the same dysfunction exists today. There was a select group of rich people who took what they wanted and left the rest of us to deal with the outfall. The IHL came along later but there's still a fair amount of homerific dysfunction there, or at least there has been until recently.

And it's not all racial. It's MSU vs. Ole Miss BS, then Southern whining, and then add in the racial part of the HBCUs and here we are.

One of two things need to happen to end it. Some real unity with hard decisions being made, or the state simply just needs to grow on its own. Chicken or the egg though, because growth usually happens through the universities. Ask South Carolina (the state) or Alabama.

Perhaps the state needs one or two selective universities (like MSU and OM), forget the "get in with an ACT of 15" nonsense, and let the other state schools educate the masses. Other states have major universities that are quite selective (e.g., Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Michigan) and Mississippi could do the same. Ratings do matter.

 

[RocketDawg]

That's good. It's a long way from the coast to Starkville, and even farther to Oxford (of course, they don't have an engineering school to speak of, but the do have degrees MSU doesn't offer). Plus, the coast is growing more than other parts of the state, along with the Memphis suburbs.

 

[RocketDawg]

Is the Ayers crap ever scheduled to end?

 

[PineGroveBully]

You’re probably right but it would make a lot of sense.

 

[mstateglfr]

Though this would never happen, there should be some type of collaboration between MSU and DSU. DSU sits in the second most fertile agriculture region in the nation and has no agriculture programs.

Curious what you would say is the top 3 or 4 most fertile regions in the US.
I always like to hear why someone views their soil as the best.

 

[wpmusm]

Perhaps the state needs one or two selective universities (like MSU and OM), forget the "get in with an ACT of 15" nonsense, and let the other state schools educate the masses. Other states have major universities that are quite selective (e.g., Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Michigan) and Mississippi could do the same. Ratings do matter.

Mississippi's population is far too uneducated for a true selective university in the mold of a UGA or UVA. Such a university would have very few in-state students.

 

[patdog]

Nope.

 

[patdog]

If you want to educate the population, a selective university would go a long way towards getting that done.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

You’d have to have the HBCUs agree in order for there to be selective institutions.

JSU would play ball if they get control of UMMC but that’s not happening.

 

[Scottfield1]

Mississippi's population is far too uneducated for a true selective university in the mold of a UGA or UVA. Such a university would have very few in-state students.

I believe you underestimate our own states brain trust. Perhaps enrollment declines short term; however, we retain our brightest, who chose to attend in state vs more prestigious out of state schools. We aren’t talking upper 20 ACT scores, rather 22 and above, as our other SEC public schools for in state students. The cause and effect of slightly smaller enrollment could lead to higher alumni contributions to endowments and gifts. Isn’t this how top tier schools are truly ranked? It’s pie in the sky, I like the idea.

 

[wpmusm]

Sure, but we're talking about HS students here. Mississippi high schools aren't pumping out lots of people with 26+ ACTs.

 

[wpmusm]

The schools he was referring to were places where high 20s ACT and above are the norm, though. You're right --- 22 ain't a bad number to shoot for. But there aren't many Mississippi students with a 26+ ACT.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

Curious what you would say is the top 3 or 4 most fertile regions in the US.
I always like to hear why someone views their soil as the best.

Why are Iowans so sensitive about their soil?

 

[patdog]

Again, if we want Mississippi high schools to produce better students, the carrot of a selective university would go a lot way towards accomplishing that. There's no real motivation for Mississippi high schools to improve when pretty much anyone can get into any university in the state.

 

[InTheIttaBenaHotSun]

Why are Iowans so sensitive about their soil?

^This right here^

 

[ArcherSPS]

Make MUW into MSUC and USM/DSU into a MSU/UM partnership a la IUPU.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

My children went (my youngest is a Senior) to one of the better school systems in Mississippi... that being said it would probably perform in the bottom 30 percent vs Georgia school systems.... Mississippi ties their money up in Administration and not Education.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

Again, if we want Mississippi high schools to produce better students, the carrot of a selective university would go a lot way towards accomplishing that. There's no real motivation for Mississippi high schools to improve when pretty much anyone can get into any university in the state.

You are correct, in that motivation is the key word. The schools themselves can't really do anything more, they are really nothing but the facilitator. A school is only as good as its students.

The Ayers stuff really just shows how ignorant most people are about education, including judges.

 

[johnson86-1]

Though this would never happen, there should be some type of collaboration between MSU and DSU. DSU sits in the second most fertile agriculture region in the nation and has no agriculture programs.

That is somewhat ridiculous. DSU really should be a satellite of MSU although politically that would be impossible. Hell, it'd be better if DSu were a satellite campus for both MSU and Ole Miss. Just let MSU and Ole Miss collaborate on what classes are offered there and let the students choose whether they are Ole Miss or MSU credits. Not sure it would really save any money in the short term, but maybe making DSU a satellite campus would result in lower costs going forward as they didn't try to compete with MSU and Ole Miss. Might make it politically easier to do the same with Valley also, which really probably should just be shut down and/or become part of Mississippi Delta Community college while offering satellite courses for MSU/Ole Miss.

It really is insane that we managed to put three universities, all within about a two hour drive of each other, and not one of them managed to be in a population center. Four if you count Valley.

 

[EagleDawg97]

“MS has very few 26+ ACT scores”

Simply not true. I have three kids in my house and the lowest ACT in the bunch is a 26 (ninth grader). To make this matter worse both of their parents have lowly degrees from USM (I know.....gasp). I guess they just rose above their horrible upbringing?