That’s a ridiculous statement. Dudes open carrying in Kroger aren’t the potential heroes they feel like they are. I just see it as me, and other people with guns. There are no white hats and black hats in the real world.
OT: Shooting in Nashville
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Nope. CCDW involves responsible gun owners, and I’d be thankful to be around them to shoot a would-be shooter.
We don't have that in KY do we? Anybody and their Uncle and his dog can conceal carry. Correct?
I understand the sentiment but I can’t give average Joes that much trust. None of these people have real training or are vetted past felony status. I can back having cops do it but we can’t have enough to keep everybody safe all the time.
Actually the red flag laws they have in some states have been effective at stopping a lot of these types of crimes. They may not stop them all but they are effective.
Racist POS. How is this piece of crap still allowed here?
I don't have kids so I don't know how schools are protected now, but I would start with bulletproof glass on the first floor of every school. I doubt you'd find a shooter clanking a ladder against the side of the building trying to get into the second floor. Add cameras at every entrance and an actual alarm system with a code that a select few know. Every school should have a relationship with the local police dept. as well. In elementary school, we had the DARE Program. I'm not saying it kept future teens away from drug use, but the relationship between the school system and someone in uniform was still there. Do routine searches of lockers and bags. I don't care if it's a hassle for all involved, we still have kids bringing weapons to school. I disagree with teachers having guns because their job is to teach and protect their students, not patrol the hallways like Dirty Harry during a lockdown situation with a shooter on the loose. They're teachers, not police. You can't expect them to do both jobs.
I'm sure there's other things and maybe most of the above is already in place. I also don't want to hear any local govt. say they don't have the money to do these things. It's there. Maybe skip buying the mini tank for the cops in a town of 10,000. This is really up to every Governor and every community under that Governor. A President can make a speech on a national level or have meetings with leaders, but it begins at a local level. For KY for instance, Beshear could put pressure on the gambling and medical marijuana holdouts by saying a large portion of the money those things will bring to the state will go to protecting our schools.
Politicians don’t want to solve any of our problems. They just want to campaign and fund raise off of them.
Facts. And divide the country.
Meanwhile, continue to dismiss the moral decay of society, as you seem to do in each of your posts, and point this 100% as a school safety issue. Yes, schools need to be set up entirely differently in order to at least hinder what happened today, but you need to go back to the reasons this happens in the first place if you want to tackle the full problem.
You have indoctrination from educators, parents and politicians that allow the acceptance of our youth being allowed to alter their bodies, remove their natural born gender label, force feed their sexual lifestyle into society, etc.
When our school systems become an ecosystem of what society is becoming, that is huge problem. The three R's in schools have become secondary to some kid getting headlines over not being allowed to use the bathroom they want to versus the one they are supposed to.
When we start pushing right from wrong, and this starts at home, you'll see things start to change, however, continue to allow the anything goes b.s. and it will get worse.
Our country still refuses to acknowledge mental illness in turn for trying to score political points
You’re a 60 year old man.
So please, tell me more about what goes on inside classrooms all across America today. I’m truly curious how you would know?
(ps quit watching “the news” so much)
How can the efficacy of those laws be measured? (I say that without taking a position on whether or not red flag laws are a good idea at this time.)
Firearms are the leading cause of deaths among children 1-19 years old in the US. That death rate is 19 times higher than your average comparable first world country. Gun violence might be quite literally the biggest threat to children in the country but half of you can't stop living in fear of LGBTQ people and a cartoon mouse.
18 and 19 year olds are considered children?
Seriously? Please pay attention. It isn't rocket science. You been keeping up with what has taken place in KY the last couple of weeks?
I haven’t regularly attended school in Kentucky in 15 years. Been 25 since I was in high school.
So no. I can’t confirm.
But I truly believe what goes on inside a typical classroom is rather ordinary, and not the nonsense you’re beaten over the head with on social/mainstream media.
So no. I can’t confirm.
But I truly believe what goes on inside a typical classroom is rather ordinary, and not the nonsense you’re beaten over the head with on social/mainstream media.
Maybe politics can take a back seat (on this board) to what happened in Nashville today?
That was your problem with that post? If I change the word to something more acceptable for you will you admit guns are part of the problem?
Well, if you want to have a serious conversation you need to start from a serious place. I’ll bet 18 and 19 year olds make up the largest portion of the fatalities, but no where else are they listed as children.
Let’s take out suicide, and while we’re at it let’s see how many involve illegal drugs and crime.
You’re taking a simplistic look at something instead of the root causes.
good question. I've have heard a couple of governrors say they had solid data that they prevented mass shootings, but I found this article that compares states with red flag laws to those without and their rate of shooting deaths. The states with red flag laws had significantly lower numbers:
How can that number possibly be known? Seriously, I’m sure it saved lives, but what never occurred can’t just be assumed.
Having glass doors is stupid to the point of negligence.
Probably but I have very mixed feelings on this issue. I would never trust a state like Illinois or New York to treat the person fairly. They are far too vested it denying people the right to guns to begin with.
Red flag laws require that a court order be issued before police can confiscate the mentally ill person's weapons, and a judge won't grant it without sworn testimony from family members or others close to the mentally unstable person.
Sure, let's just turn schools into giant concrete blocks with no glass doors or large windows. Just soul crushing rooms with florescent lights and no sunlight. Sounds great.
And while we’re at it. Let’s give all the underpaid teachers guns and ask them to defend themselves and their students against an armed intruder and not pay them a cent more. Or Maybe we should place an armed military trained individual at each and every public place.
Seems like such a fun world to live in.
I've seen far too many of these activist judges as well. That doesn't make me feel better about it at all.
There is lots of room between what you and I suggest. Our schools locally are retrofitted just this way. You can have glass but that doesn't mean it should be big enough for someone to crawl thru. Your argument is built on falsehoods.
But I'll ask. Since the 2nd amendment isn't going anywhere, it certainly isn't going away without a collapse of our country, what is your suggestion? Its easy to criticize but its hard to find workable solutions. Find a solution.
So how long do we allow kids to die or be needlessly traumatized while we wait to turn around this moral decay? A generation? Two? Sorry but this a ridiculous post.
Europe is much more socially liberal than the U.S. Why don't they have school shootings every other week like us?
No it isn’t, it’s reality. You don’t remove constitutionally guaranteed rights on a whim because a generation has been faile by an enabling society, because the gun isn’t the root cause.
The root cause is we’ve got a generation that is f*cked up.
- Fund mental health services in this country.
- Create CDC guidelines for how the media should cover mass shootings to prevent copycats. They have guidance for covering high profile suicides to prevent a contagion affect. No reason we can't do something similar for mass shootings and get CNN/Fox/MSNBC, etc. to agree to the guidelines.
- Allow government funding for gun violence research and reverse the NRA lobbied Dickey Amendment that all but prevents the research. Let's take a look at the last three decades of mass shootings and figure out how the shooters got the guns. Did they break a current gun control law to get the gun? Would any currently proposed gun control law have actually stopped the person from getting the gun?
- Stronger laws that hold people accountable for their guns. If a parent is irresponsible with their gun and a kid gets ahold of it and shoots someone, charge the parent with something.
- Fund law enforcement so the currently written gun laws can actually be enforced.
- Universal background checks, which is supported by almost 9 in 10 Americans.
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