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cayts25

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I would be interested in some gun homicide per gun (by country stats)...I imagine the US would be pretty low compared to other countries...which would basically show **** humans are going to keep and use guns no matter the country; taking guns from US law abiding ownership wouldnt eliminate or likely even lower the issue.

The US goes out of its way to normalize mental instability; lower punishment for violent offenders etc. Does not help.
"The gun death rate in the U.S. is much higher than in most other nations, particularly developed nations. But it is still far below the rates in several Latin American countries, according to a 2018 study of 195 countries and territories by researchers at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington.

The U.S. gun death rate was 10.6 per 100,000 people in 2016, the most recent year in the study, which used a somewhat different methodology from the CDC. That was far higher than in countries such as Canada (2.1 per 100,000) and Australia (1.0), as well as European nations such as France (2.7), Germany (0.9) and Spain (0.6). But the rate in the U.S. was much lower than in El Salvador (39.2 per 100,000 people), Venezuela (38.7), Guatemala (32.3), Colombia (25.9) and Honduras (22.5), the study found. Overall, the U.S. ranked 20th in its gun fatality rate that year."

Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
 

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"The gun death rate in the U.S. is much higher than in most other nations, particularly developed nations. But it is still far below the rates in several Latin American countries, according to a 2018 study of 195 countries and territories by researchers at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington.

The U.S. gun death rate was 10.6 per 100,000 people in 2016, the most recent year in the study, which used a somewhat different methodology from the CDC. That was far higher than in countries such as Canada (2.1 per 100,000) and Australia (1.0), as well as European nations such as France (2.7), Germany (0.9) and Spain (0.6). But the rate in the U.S. was much lower than in El Salvador (39.2 per 100,000 people), Venezuela (38.7), Guatemala (32.3), Colombia (25.9) and Honduras (22.5), the study found. Overall, the U.S. ranked 20th in its gun fatality rate that year."

Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
This is gun death rate - not what I was curious about. Death rate per gun - which is an entirely different stat.

We blame guns - what is our rate per gun.
 
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cayts25

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This is gun death rate - not what I was curious about. Death rate per gun - which is an entirely different stat.

We blame guns - what is our rate per gun.
America is the only country with more guns than people (120.5 per 100 people). Common sense can tell you that more guns=more deaths by gun. I couldn't find death rate per gun, only what I found before as well as gun ownership for person.
 
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America is the only country with more guns than people (120.5 per 100 people). Common sense can tell you that more guns=more deaths by gun. I couldn't find death rate per gun, only what I found before as well as gun ownership for person.
Death rate per gun is not a real stat. The person you're replying to is yet another person trying to contort themselves into a pretzel to avoid even thinking guns might be the issue. Studies have shown time and time again that the more guns equals more gun violence.
 
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Friendly reminder that "mass shootings" aren't some giant collection of School/public shootings that target random citizens. The majority of them are gang-related shootings. Stay out of areas you don't belong in, and your risk of being a victim of mass shooting drops by like 90%. And don't worry, no one on the left gave a **** about any of the below shootings in red.. so they more or less never even happened!

 

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Friendly reminder that "mass shootings" aren't some giant collection of School/public shootings that target random citizens. The majority of them are gang-related shootings. Stay out of areas you don't belong in, and your risk of being a victim of mass shooting drops by like 90%. And don't worry, no one on the left gave a **** about any of the below shootings in red.. so they more or less never even happened!

Yes, I get pretty tired of the left trotting out the "mass shootings" narrative when they know good and well they are contorting the data to support their narrative.
 
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cayts25

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Friendly reminder that "mass shootings" aren't some giant collection of School/public shootings that target random citizens. The majority of them are gang-related shootings. Stay out of areas you don't belong in, and your risk of being a victim of mass shooting drops by like 90%. And don't worry, no one on the left gave a **** about any of the below shootings in red.. so they more or less never even happened!

I'm on the left and I care...

There are plenty of common sense gun laws (sorry to trigger anyone with that phrase) that would make this list a lot shorter but time and time again they are blocked by Republicans who only care about filling their pockets with NRA donations.
 

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I'm on the left and I care...

There are plenty of common sense gun laws (sorry to trigger anyone with that phrase) that would make this list a lot shorter but time and time again they are blocked by Republicans who only care about filling their pockets with NRA donations.

Do you? I'll never be able to know for sure if "you" specifically "care" about gang violence. But I can tell you the liberals I know.. 99% of them treat the ghetto the same way republicans do: Ignore it. Move away. etc.

Edit: Except they like to pretend they care. That's the big difference. I don't give a **** about the ghettos and neither do they. I just don't lie about it.
 

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Death rate per gun is not a real stat. The person you're replying to is yet another person trying to contort themselves into a pretzel to avoid even thinking guns might be the issue. Studies have shown time and time again that the more guns equals more gun violence.
LMAO. You are creating the stat...

More guns = more gun violence...SO...

# of guns/gun deaths should work out...

I asked for the stat - I assume the US is low on the list when using the stat created by your slogan "more guns=more gun violence"; but I cannot be for certain...which is why I asked.

Matteov created the stat as well:

more guns=more deaths by gun

I am all for background checks...I do not think mentally unstable people should be able to get guns. I think this transperson - and many many more trans people are mentally unstable...I would be called a bigot for not wanting them to have firearms.

I wouldnt want a schizophrenic to have a firearm either...I would assume that is reasonable, but a body confused individual would have to be treated with kid gloves and allow ownership...

People are the issue. Guns are inanimate. Guns exist and they aren't going away. Fix the people problem.

and FTR - i dont own or shoot guns. I assure you my opinions are sound and do not need contorting.
 
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Do you? I'll never be able to know for sure if "you" specifically "care" about gang violence. But I can tell you the liberals I know.. 99% of them treat the ghetto the same way republicans do: Ignore it. Move away. etc.

Edit: Except they like to pretend they care. That's the big difference. I don't give a **** about the ghettos and neither do they. I just don't lie about it.
Which exact gun laws would stop criminals from breaking the laws they are already breaking by committing gun crimes?
 
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So sad. My heart hurts for the victims and their families.

This problem is multi-pronged and sadly will never be solved - mental illness, poor mental healthcare system, too many guns in circulation and too many people obsessed with them, a culture that views the firearm as the be all, end all solution to any problems and a need to blame/scapegoat political enemies without ever delivering an amicable solution.

The US is the only nation in the world where this happens regularly. I don’t want to wade into the left/right culture war ********. I’d just like it if kids could go to school without being gunned downed or the fear of being gunned down by a psychopath with way too much weaponry for their current mental capacity.

We’re gonna offer hollow thoughts and prayers. Next we’ll argue over guns and mental health online. Then, we’ll do nothing. Next week, we’ll do it again. Wash, rinse, repeat.
 

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Do you? I'll never be able to know for sure if "you" specifically "care" about gang violence. But I can tell you the liberals I know.. 99% of them treat the ghetto the same way republicans do: Ignore it. Move away. etc.

Edit: Except they like to pretend they care. That's the big difference. I don't give a **** about the ghettos and neither do they. I just don't lie about it.
As a minority who grew up in a single parent household that wasn't located in a gated community, yes I do because I can empathize at least a little. This along with the fact that I have several family members living in communities that are worse than mine, I care even more. Good to know that you're just an ******* and there's no point in talking to you any further since you don't care about the lives of fellow Americans. All lives matter, right?
 
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LMAO. You are creating the stat...

More guns = more gun violence...SO...

# of guns/gun deaths should work out...

I asked for the stat - I assume the US is low on the list when using the stat created by your slogan "more guns=more gun violence"; but I cannot be for certain...which is why I asked.

Matteov created the stat as well:



I am all for background checks...I do not think mentally unstable people should be able to get guns. I think this transperson - and many many more trans people are mentally unstable...I would be called a bigot for not wanting them to have firearms.

I wouldnt want a schizophrenic to have a firearm either...I would assume that is reasonable, but a body confused individual would have to be treated with kid gloves and allow ownership...

People are the issue. Guns are inanimate. Guns exist and they aren't going away. Fix the people problem.

and FTR - i dont own or shoot guns. I assure you my opinions are sound and do not need contorting.
i'm not creating anything, those are just facts. and what do you all always like to say, "facts don't care about your feelings." If you give people more opportunity to do anything then there will be more occasions of that thing happening, I don't see how you can't make the connection.
 
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Which exact gun laws would stop criminals from breaking the laws they are already breaking by committing gun crimes?
Universal background checks
Banning assault/semi-automatic weapons like we did in 1994
Buy back programs for those weapons

These along with several other laws are supported by a majority of Americans but aren't enacted because half of the people representing us want to prioritize nonsense over actually protecting people
 

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As a minority who grew up in a single parent household that wasn't located in a gated community, yes I do because I can empathize at least a little. This along with the fact that I have several family members living in communities that are worse than mine, I care even more. Good to know that you're just an ******* and there's no point in talking to you any further since you don't care about the lives of fellow Americans. All lives matter, right?

So you've done.. nothing? Great. At the end of the day you're right there with the rest of us.
 

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Universal background checks
Banning assault/semi-automatic weapons like we did in 1994
Buy back programs for those weapons

These along with several other laws are supported by a majority of Americans but aren't enacted because half of the people representing us want to prioritize nonsense over actually protecting people
Questions:

Don't you have to go through a background check now?
Seems like I did a couple of years ago when I bought a pistol.

And aren't more people killed with pistols? Like a lot more?

And do you think someone who is mentally unstable enough to actually target babies in a school is going to choose not to do that simply because they can't get their hands on an AR-15?
 

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These threads and arguments are borderline vomit inducing. I will soon have 3 kids in elementary schools and the only thing being done to protect them is absolutely nothing. Just a bunch of powerless citizens arguing like children while everyone just watches.
 

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Questions:

Don't you have to go through a background check now?
Seems like I did a couple of years ago when I bought a pistol.

And aren't more people killed with pistols? Like a lot more?

And do you think someone who is mentally unstable enough to actually target babies in a school is going to choose not to do that simply because they can't get their hands on an AR-15?


Solutions don’t have to solve anything. Just like with Covid, masks and “vaccines” were necessary, not because they actually worked, but because it made people feel good.

Half the country wants guns banned. Banning guns will make them feel good. Obviously it won’t help any of the actual issues, but that’s beside the point.
 

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i'm not creating anything, those are just facts. and what do you all always like to say, "facts don't care about your feelings." If you give people more opportunity to do anything then there will be more occasions of that thing happening, I don't see how you can't make the connection.
I don’t say facts/feelings.

I’m trying to make the connection, which is why you look to stats. More guns = numerator (# of guns)/ gun violence.

US has a huge numerator…so its percentage may be lower than expected. So the equation isn’t as simple as more guns=more bad.

Crazed, psychotic, mentally ill + guns = gun violence is likely the piece of the equation we can attack and improve. To do this, we have to call out mental illness - not embrace and normalize it. This person was ill - needed help, not a flag of acceptance and a parade.

Would love to add in bad people, but there will always be a segment. Now DAs could penalize and jail them much more strictly - but we have been seeing the opposite in many large cities…
 

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So you've done.. nothing? Great. At the end of the day you're right there with the rest of us.
You asked if I cared, so that's what I responded to. Don't move the needle into what I have or haven't done. I can protest and I can vote, do you expect me to have some long list of all of my accomplishments when it comes to limiting gun violence? There's only so much that can be done when I have no power to enact laws. At the very least, I can say that the candidates that I vote for all support stricter gun laws. Thousands of Americans die from gun violence every year because people that align with you on this issue don't do ANYTHING to try to stop this.
 
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So this shooter was obviously a mentally disturbed person. Her texts to her friend right before the shooting make clear that she intended to commit suicide; that she "needed" to die. Years ago, someone like that would have taken pills to do the trick. Now they feel the need to strap themselves Rambo style and take out others.
 
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Questions:

Don't you have to go through a background check now?
Seems like I did a couple of years ago when I bought a pistol.

And aren't more people killed with pistols? Like a lot more?

And do you think someone who is mentally unstable enough to actually target babies in a school is going to choose not to do that simply because they can't get their hands on an AR-15?
Background checks don't apply to things like gun shows/online sales. Other laws can be put in place to limit pistol sales as well like banning people who have been previously convicted of violent crimes from buying guns and banning sales to those who have been diagnosed as mentally ill. Banning assault weapons could at the very least limit the amount of mass shootings, however you want to define that term.
 
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So we're comparing ourselves to the third world countries on that map? Don't you think it's reasonable to expect that we should have fewer homicides in the USA than in Africa or Mexico?

In all the other first world countries, there does seem to be an obvious correlation between low gun ownership and low homicide rates.
i wouldnt call mexico third world. More like 2nd world with russia.
 

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Guys give me a little bit.. I need to go round up all the threads that @MatteoV25 created for all these gang shootings he cares so much about.

Just kidding. He made zero posts on any inner city shootings.

But trust him. He cares.
Yes, because creating threads in a Kentucky Sports message board about gang shootings is the sole indicator about whether or not I care about gang shootings. What an imbecile you are
 

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Background checks don't apply to things like gun shows/online sales. Other laws can be put in place to limit pistol sales as well like banning people who have been previously convicted of violent crimes from buying guns and banning sales to those who have been diagnosed as mentally ill. Banning assault weapons could at the very least limit the amount of mass shootings, however you want to define that term.


I’d prefer we also ban the mentally ill from voting and take away their free speech and ability to post online.
 

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Universal background checks
Banning assault/semi-automatic weapons like we did in 1994
Buy back programs for those weapons

These along with several other laws are supported by a majority of Americans but aren't enacted because half of the people representing us want to prioritize nonsense over actually protecting people
Chicago has the toughest gun laws in the country. How is that working out? 50-100 shootings on an average weekend. No want wants to talk about that because it is poor on poor or gang violence. It's only news if a cop is involved.

None of what you propose would do much. A person with a pump action shotgun could easily cause as much mayhem as that Trans shooter did with it's AR inside a confined space.
 
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Chicago has the toughest gun laws in the country. How is that working out?

None of what you propose would do much. A person with a pump action shotgun could easily cause as much mayhem as that Trans shooter did with it's AR inside a confined space.
That's why we pass laws to ban mentally ill people from buying guns. Also, nobody should twist my words into me saying that trans people are mentally ill. I was referring to people who have it in their minds to shoot up schools.
 
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We have spent $75B on Ukraine. There are 115,576 schools in the US - This includes all K-12 public and private schools, plus adult education and career/technical schools.

This allocated to the US and not to Ukraine could be $648,923.65 to each school in the US for security salary or security measures.

We already spend $15,000 per public school pupil (about $800B). Plenty of ways to prevent this...yelling about guns (which i dont even care for) is the least likely chance to get **** done.
 
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