OT: Solid NYT article about state of the program and coaching search big board....

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Rhule has never had the talent he could have at PSU. His record against top teams while coaching at Baylor, Temple, and even Nebraska need to be contextualized; Franklin did have a couple of good wins at Vandy but they were against good programs that were down.
Friend just sent me this of course I don't believe it but thought I would at least share it... so much AI and other ways of manipulating info anymore. As well as this would be the first of many initial conversations Kraft will have over the next few months.


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If these are the choices, I'd want Drinkwitz. I have to believe that big swings will be taken. I'm hopeful they already have been. The only one on this list that constitutes a "big swing" is Cignetti and I don't see that happening. My two other big swings are Urban Meyer and Marcus Freeman.
And just think if we hire Drinkwitz he could bring Pribula back to Happy Valley
 
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The article grades PSU on several different factors - read below:


This one is the capper:

Overall: A​

This is one of the best jobs in college football, in the top 10 or top 15, and it’s the rare opportunity to take over one of these programs coming off recent big-time success. We don’t know how the rest of the season will turn out, especially with Allar’s injury, but Penn State was a drive away from playing for the national championship last season and had high preseason expectations this year before everything unraveled after Oregon. Its resources and history will make this a sought-after job. The expectations will be sky-high, but any coach would welcome that.

Their Big Board is:

Matt Rhule
Curt Cignetti
Matt Campbell
Brian Kelly
Lane Kiffin
Eli Drinkwitz
Rhett Lashlee
Jon Sumrall
Manny Diaz
PJ Fleck
Frank Brown
Lance Leipold
Mike Elko

@Tom McAndrew - if you feel this is duplicative, please feel free to move. Thanks!
They are sort of the last to know when it comes to sports. But yes, its a prime job. Would not be surprised to see some names pop up from Louisiana, Missouri and the pros.
 

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I think sites are way higher than Rhule - you don't buyout 50 million to go get James Franklin lite. Indiana boards seem pretty nervous, as if "this is one of the jobs that make me nervous he'd take" type scenarios.

This isn't even close to being done - I'd imagine they take until December or January based on the CFP. Kraft is going to shake every tree before he pulls the trigger, including coaches that will be playing in the playoff this winter.
 
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I like the way his team plays. Aggressive defense. I hate this "Death by 1000 paper cuts defense." That being said, Urban Meyer has to say NO several times. PSU has demonstrated that instant results are the only factor and that there is no "banking" past successes. However, I do think there had to be something behid the scenes going on. Meyer brings an instant buzz and recruits and transfers.
 

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I like the way his team plays. Aggressive defense. I hate this "Death by 1000 paper cuts defense." That being said, Urban Meyer has to say NO several times. PSU has demonstrated that instant results are the only factor and that there is no "banking" past successes. However, I do think there had to be something behid the scenes going on. Meyer brings an instant buzz and recruits and transfers.
Agree on needing an instant buzz. You don’t fire a coach with a $50 million buyout to take years to rebuild. You don’t fire a guy that just took the program to the final four to start a rebuild. You don’t fire a perennial top 10 coach to start a rebuild. You don’t fire that guy after week 6 and have all the recruits jump ship and players portal out to start a rebuild. You need an instant buzz and those choices are very, very limited. Anything less than an instant buzz hire will be viewed as a big disappointment and major miscalculation on Kraft’s part.
 
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I don't envy Kraft. He has to get it right, but I assume a hiring committee will be formed to help and be part of the interviews. Who would be on that with Kraft?

Former players
PSU President
Influential big donors
Are consultants used? And could that include any retired A list coaches?
 

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First and foremost, the next PSU coach has to be someone feared (and thus respected) by the B1G office, else PSU will continue to be on the short end of officiating. No one on the following list, with the possible exception of Cignetti (who is edgy and doesn't seem shy about calling bullshyft) would be respected by the B1G. The only people I can think of who the B1G would treat on equal standing with OSU and Michigan are Jim Harbaugh (not happening), Urban Meyer (probably not happening) and Jon Gruden (probably not happening).

Matt Rhule (No, the B1G doesn't respect him)
Curt Cignetti (Perhaps)
Matt Campbell (No, Franklin 2.0)
Brian Kelly (Hell no)
Lane Kiffin (Perhaps)
Eli Drinkwitz (?)
Rhett Lashlee (No; He another one of these offensive oriented coaches who likes fast skinny man football)
Jon Sumrall (No; See above)
Manny Diaz (No; the B1G wouldn't respect him)
PJ Fleck (Gawd No)
Frank Brown (No)
Lance Leipold (No; He seems $$ happy / too content at KU)
Mike Elko (Not happening).
 
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After watching today’s press conference, which introduced Terri Smith as intern head coach, I’m in on hiring Terri Smith as the new Head Coach of Penn State.
He’s a PSU pedigree with a sound loyal foundation expected at PSU.
I was very impressed with his answers to the questions asked by the media. He is focused on this team and will get them back on track for the remainder of the season.
I feel very positive our coach is already here! Stop chasing coaching rainbows thinking the pot of gold is there. Remember that young assistant stud back in 1966. He turned out to be pretty good head coach for PSU!
 

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I don't envy Kraft. He has to get it right, but I assume a hiring committee will be formed to help and be part of the interviews. Who would be on that with Kraft?

Former players
PSU President
Influential big donors
Are consultants used? And could that include any retired A list coaches?
Hah!!! That would make too much sense. Look at the collection of losers PSU designated to their recent Presidential search committee.

 
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Does Terry Smith get any consideration? especially if team performs well for the rest of the season. He knows our history, where we have been, are now, and want to go. He recruited much of the current roster. His K/S/A as a head coach? the next 7 weeks will show us something…
 
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We just fired our coach who went to the semi's last year and ate the 50 million dollar buyout.

There is not a chance in hell Terry Smith gets the job.
All he has to do is beat Indiana and Ohio State!

I think sites are way higher than Rhule - you don't buyout 50 million to go get James Franklin lite. Indiana boards seem pretty nervous, as if "this is one of the jobs that make me nervous he'd take" type scenarios.

This isn't even close to being done - I'd imagine they take until December or January based on the CFP. Kraft is going to shake every tree before he pulls the trigger, including coaches that will be playing in the playoff this winter.
He will be getting a lot of input from Adidas.
 

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After watching today’s press conference, which introduced Terri Smith as intern head coach, I’m in on hiring Terri Smith as the new Head Coach of Penn State.
He’s a PSU pedigree with a sound loyal foundation expected at PSU.
I was very impressed with his answers to the questions asked by the media. He is focused on this team and will get them back on track for the remainder of the season.
I feel very positive our coach is already here! Stop chasing coaching rainbows thinking the pot of gold is there. Remember that young assistant stud back in 1966. He turned out to be pretty good head coach for PSU!
“PSU pedigree” is something that people seem to be blinded by. It’s not a prerequisite for success and should not be considered in the hiring process. Hire the best candidate, I don’t even care if he’s from ND (whom I loathe and am just using to make my point)

I have nothing against Terry Smith. If he is the best candidate, hire him, but him being from PSU shouldn’t weigh any more than anyone else.
 

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Among other interesting candidates with a big upside, I think D'Anton Lynn (USC DC, former PSU player) is poised to be a hot commodity sometime soon.
There seem to be a lot of interesting interviews to be had. I think we talk to Rhule, but are nowhere near putting him in the lead... yet. Gotta see what the Hartlines and a few others have to say, imo.
 

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Among other interesting candidates with a big upside, I think D'Anton Lynn (USC DC, former PSU player) is poised to be a hot commodity sometime soon.
There seem to be a lot of interesting interviews to be had. I think we talk to Rhule, but are nowhere near putting him in the lead... yet. Gotta see what the Hartlines and a few others have to say, imo.
We need somebody who's a current head coach who has had success and can bring a lot of his current players and recruits because our roster is going to be decimated.
 

mh-larch

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After watching today’s press conference, which introduced Terri Smith as intern head coach, I’m in on hiring Terri Smith as the new Head Coach of Penn State.
He’s a PSU pedigree with a sound loyal foundation expected at PSU.
I was very impressed with his answers to the questions asked by the media. He is focused on this team and will get them back on track for the remainder of the season.
I feel very positive our coach is already here! Stop chasing coaching rainbows thinking the pot of gold is there. Remember that young assistant stud back in 1966. He turned out to be pretty good head coach for PSU!
It's premature to go there now. Let's see how he does leading this team the rest of the season. If he can turn things around....maybe, but I still think that is a long shot.
 

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I see two choices...

1 - take an up and coming coordinator and live with 2-3 years of 7-8 wins and hope we picked correctly

2 - back up the truck for kiffen or other few big splash guys and try to keep recruiting steady
PSU didn't even do #1 when they hired Franklin. I think that Kraft is looking for a bigger splash than a coordinator. God, even IU, when it was a dumpster, was able to hire Cignetti, who was a succesful head coach at JMU, who then brought a bunch of his former players with him, and the rest is history. WVU also didn't do that this past year, and PSU is no WVU.
 

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Personally I'm not sure if any on that list are what I would have thought of as a "home run" hire. Many of them may well be able to do an excellent job here, but just not the flashy "wow" hire (like Urban Meyer).

Remember some of the names from the last time PSU went through this? (maybe I'm mixing some pre-BOB and pre-JF names) Would you take any of these guys some 11 years later? (just hypothetical, I'm not suggesting they're actual CJF replacement candidates)

Mike Munchak
Chris Petersen
John Gruden
Dan Mullen
Al Golden
Urban Meyer
Greg Schiano
Greg Roman
Larry Johnson Sr.
Gruden is worth contacting.
 
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If these are the choices, I'd want Drinkwitz. I have to believe that big swings will be taken. I'm hopeful they already have been. The only one on this list that constitutes a "big swing" is Cignetti and I don't see that happening. My two other big swings are Urban Meyer and Marcus Freeman.
I think the only move for Marcus away from ND would be him being fired or offered the HC job at his alma mater, OSU.
 

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Gruden is worth contacting.
I agree. I really am intrigued by the prospect of Gruden patrolling the PSU sideline. If he still wants to coach, I think he would be worth a shot. He’s one of very few splash hire names out there.
 

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After watching today’s press conference, which introduced Terri Smith as intern head coach, I’m in on hiring Terri Smith as the new Head Coach of Penn State.
He’s a PSU pedigree with a sound loyal foundation expected at PSU.
I was very impressed with his answers to the questions asked by the media. He is focused on this team and will get them back on track for the remainder of the season.
I feel very positive our coach is already here! Stop chasing coaching rainbows thinking the pot of gold is there. Remember that young assistant stud back in 1966. He turned out to be pretty good head coach for PSU!

I thought he did very well and will be rooting for him. I do not think he’ll get the job but he’ll have a chance to show what he can do. I do hope he stays on either way.
 

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I have no desire for a pro coach. Also, he hasn't coached in a long time. This job demands a guy who knows the details of the college game and how to use the portal and NIL.
Franklin knew details of the college game, the portal, and NIL and this board wanted to run him off for not knowing X’s and O’s? Gruden knows X’s and O’s. There’s plenty of football support staff to get him up to speed on everything else.
 

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I have no desire for a pro coach. Also, he hasn't coached in a long time. This job demands a guy who knows the details of the college game and how to use the portal and NIL.
You are probably right. I guess I like Gruden's "edginess"
 

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The article grades PSU on several different factors - read below:


This one is the capper:

Overall: A​

This is one of the best jobs in college football, in the top 10 or top 15, and it’s the rare opportunity to take over one of these programs coming off recent big-time success. We don’t know how the rest of the season will turn out, especially with Allar’s injury, but Penn State was a drive away from playing for the national championship last season and had high preseason expectations this year before everything unraveled after Oregon. Its resources and history will make this a sought-after job. The expectations will be sky-high, but any coach would welcome that.

Their Big Board is:

Matt Rhule
Curt Cignetti
Matt Campbell
Brian Kelly
Lane Kiffin
Eli Drinkwitz
Rhett Lashlee
Jon Sumrall
Manny Diaz
PJ Fleck
Frank Brown
Lance Leipold
Mike Elko

@Tom McAndrew - if you feel this is duplicative, please feel free to move. Thanks!
The NY Times list does not exactly thrill me. Cignetti, Elko and Drinkwitz are the only names that catch my attention. Two names that have been casually floated are Brent Key and Bob Chesney. Key has done a great job at a school that has to operate in the shadows of SEC powerhouses. Chesney is interesting, starting with he inherited a roster that was devastated in the transfer portal by Cignetti's move to Indiana. He had to procure a lot of talent to go 9-4 including a bowl win, The only loss for JMU is to Louisville. Lastly, schools develop a residual culture that seems to produce a succession of success. Miami of Ohio in the 50s and 60s produced numerous successful coaches including Woody Hayes, Ara Parseghian and Bo Schembechler.
 
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“PSU pedigree” is something that people seem to be blinded by. It’s not a prerequisite for success and should not be considered in the hiring process. Hire the best candidate, I don’t even care if he’s from ND (whom I loathe and am just using to make my point)

I have nothing against Terry Smith. If he is the best candidate, hire him, but him being from PSU shouldn’t weigh any more than anyone else.
I would throw Marcus Freeman's name around, just to make ND pony up more cash for him.
 

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I agree. I really am intrigued by the prospect of Gruden patrolling the PSU sideline. If he still wants to coach, I think he would be worth a shot. He’s one of very few splash hire names out there.
I don't see him wanting to get on the recruiting trail and i think schools may be wary based on what is happening with Belichick. It would be intriguing though.
 

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After watching today’s press conference, which introduced Terri Smith as intern head coach, I’m in on hiring Terri Smith as the new Head Coach of Penn State.
He’s a PSU pedigree with a sound loyal foundation expected at PSU.
I was very impressed with his answers to the questions asked by the media. He is focused on this team and will get them back on track for the remainder of the season.
I feel very positive our coach is already here! Stop chasing coaching rainbows thinking the pot of gold is there. Remember that young assistant stud back in 1966. He turned out to be pretty good head coach for PSU!
No thanks. James also had a sound loyal foundation and we got rid of him.
 

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I don't envy Kraft. He has to get it right, but I assume a hiring committee will be formed to help and be part of the interviews. Who would be on that with Kraft?

Former players
PSU President
Influential big donors
Are consultants used? And could that include any retired A list coaches?
A member of The McAndrew Board must be included! Nominations are open. Who you got?
 

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I agree. I really am intrigued by the prospect of Gruden patrolling the PSU sideline. If he still wants to coach, I think he would be worth a shot. He’s one of very few splash hire names out there.
Hmm dont see it at all has no concept how to connect with adults, much less high schoolers, he has toxicity all over him despite being out of football....yes he probably can still coach and has the X and o's but you can probably get an equal or better coach with more pluses than his minuses ..the last thing we should be associated with is anything barstool sports...hes jumped the shark in his career... else he would still be coaching somewhere
 
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