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OT: Solid NYT article about state of the program and coaching search big board....
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Sorry, but you lost me with "Solid NYT article."The article grades PSU on several different factors - read below:
Can Penn State win bigger without James Franklin? Coaching search report card, candidates
Penn State is a top-10 or top-15 job in college football that has plenty of recent success and resources, making it an attractive opening.www.nytimes.com
This one is the capper:
Overall: A
This is one of the best jobs in college football, in the top 10 or top 15, and it’s the rare opportunity to take over one of these programs coming off recent big-time success. We don’t know how the rest of the season will turn out, especially with Allar’s injury, but Penn State was a drive away from playing for the national championship last season and had high preseason expectations this year before everything unraveled after Oregon. Its resources and history will make this a sought-after job. The expectations will be sky-high, but any coach would welcome that.
Their Big Board is:
Matt Rhule
Curt Cignetti
Matt Campbell
Brian Kelly
Lane Kiffin
Eli Drinkwitz
Rhett Lashlee
Jon Sumrall
Manny Diaz
PJ Fleck
Frank Brown
Lance Leipold
Mike Elko
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The Athletic is the NYT sports brand; it’s full of competent/capable writers. They wrote this.
I know the last hire had two deans on the committee.Hah!!! That would make too much sense. Look at the collection of losers PSU designated to their recent Presidential search committee.
Committee Members | Office of the Board of Trustees
trustees.psu.edu
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Gruden would be interesting but think would just BOB 2.0. Weak recruiter and ready to jump to the NFL at the first chance.
Disagree. If he wanted an NFL job he would have accepted one long ago.
You can't deny the guy loves football and is highly motivational.
He seems to embrace challenges...is PSU a sufficient challenge and opportunity?
I think BOB would work great with 100 scholarships and paying guys and free agency.
Problem at BC is they don’t have the first 2 so the 3rd is irrelevant.
Urban Meyer covered up domestic abuse allegations vs one of his assistants and has other past ethical issues on his resume as well. There is zero chance that he will even be contacted by PSU.
I agree that he would be a long shot. For me, he's in the "big swing" category.
That would have been true once. Do you think that anyone at PSU still cares about ethics?
Yes, I do. Even if he is Kraft’s guy, the board would never approve it. And we would get killed in the national media for replacing a successful ethical family man type coach with a win at all costs coach with serious past ethical issues. It will never happen.
The media didn't care whether Franklin was a family man. They loved to say he can't beat good teams. They turned on him fast this season. I can't think of a worse media narrative for a college football coach than inability to win big games.
Meyer is a proven winner at BG, Utah, Florida and OSU. He has turned around college teams quickly. Nobody can say he isn't a winner. If he's so toxic, why is he on FOX network? PSU should say no to him because there might be some media talk about negatives? Winning overcomes all of that talk fast.
As an alum and rabid fan, I would not approve of his hire, even if it guaranteed a natty. Urban is not compatible with who we are as a university.
The article grades PSU on several different factors - read below:
Can Penn State win bigger without James Franklin? Coaching search report card, candidates
Penn State is a top-10 or top-15 job in college football that has plenty of recent success and resources, making it an attractive opening.
This one is the capper:
Overall: A
This is one of the best jobs in college football, in the top 10 or top 15, and it’s the rare opportunity to take over one of these programs coming off recent big-time success. We don’t know how the rest of the season will turn out, especially with Allar’s injury, but Penn State was a drive away from playing for the national championship last season and had high preseason expectations this year before everything unraveled after Oregon. Its resources and history will make this a sought-after job. The expectations will be sky-high, but any coach would welcome that.
Their Big Board is:
Matt Rhule
Curt Cignetti
Matt Campbell
Brian Kelly
Lane Kiffin
Eli Drinkwitz
Rhett Lashlee
Jon Sumrall
Manny Diaz
PJ Fleck
Frank Brown
Lance Leipold
Mike Elko
@Tom McAndrew - if you feel this is duplicative, please feel free to move. Thanks!
Don't claim to be an expert or anything when it comes to hiring coaches ... but I'd vote NO on Brian Kelly. He attrated talent to ND, but like Franklin, couldn't win the big games and always lost a few games he had no business losing. Also when he lost, he often threw certain players under the bus. So a big NO, NO, NO for him.
Curt Cignetti seems to be an interesting possibility. Just look at the level of talent (or lack of it) that he has at IU, and the success he has developed. In my mind, that seems to be the signature of someone who is a COACH! He develops what he has.
Who we were. The current trustees are worthy successors to the crowd that buried Joe to protect themselves and One Term Tommy.
We are certainly a top 10 destination, but I think we are top 5 for sure. The athletic dept riches are second to only Michigan which I'm sure not many people know that. Paying for the coach won't be the problem.
I'm all in on Cignetti but he might be a hard pull for other reasons other than money. Our facilities coaches' salaries recruiting area of Ohio PA NJ MD VA and NC all in reach and loads of PS alums in those states. Lots to like there for a dedicated HC with some tenacity.
Yes, for your list except Kiffin he's one drink away from going over the edge and no thanks to Sumrall.
In Indiana he had no choice. That's not exactly a destination for any recruits. I liken it to Rutgers giving Rutgers the edge.
Exactly, the only thing holding penn state back, and this harkens back to Joe's last few years, are ourselves. I don't know when we got this way as a society....that "Good" isn't the enemy of "great." Notice all the external media that has been saying how insane it is to fire Franklin after making fun of him and the program for weeks? You think if Day lost three games at OSU he would have a job? Please, answer me? You think anyone would wag their fingers at OSU and suggest things could get worse? No, because its understood that OSU is in total pursuit of greatness. I'm so tired of the schoolmarm warnings of "it could be worse than 10 wins." So fu*king what? You either want to be great, you either want adventure, or you don't. And I hated this about Franklin, but he really played into the notion that Penn State should be happy with his gifts. "There are 150 programs that would die for the level of success we've had." Nobody pursuing greatness would ever say that, implicitly calling the fans ungrateful for being a top ten, but not top 5 team. How about this....I think our AD thinks that Penn State is the greatest institution for football in the country, did you guys listen to him yesterday? From an alumni base, stadium, resourcing, leadership perspective.....everything, the BEST. All good if others here don't agree, fine with fans of the program saying 'hey we are happy with 10-11 wins," but I'll be damned if I have to subscribe to the defeatist mentality. Why can't this be the best job? Do people even try to be the best in their fields anymore or is everything just about "safteyism" and non-offense? Everyone on this board knows why the national media is bemoaning the removal of Franklin. The Haters see what our fans can't: That Penn State can, and should, challenge for highest standards in the sport both on/off the field. Sometimes little Jr. might fall off his bike, thats okay, he should still learn how to ride.....we should try to reach the unreachable star consequences be damned. I'm so proud we have an AD that agrees for a change.
I'm proud too...but now that Kraft's up to bat, it's his duty to hit a home run.
No doubt, you have to have balls to step into the fire....that's only step 1 but a step that most around the program have not been willing to take for years.
Disagree. If he wanted an NFL job he would have accepted one long ago.
You can't deny the guy loves football and is highly motivational.
He seems to embrace challenges...is PSU a sufficient challenge and opportunity?
cignetti gets SOCIAL SEQURITY CHECKS next YEAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!Disagree. If he wanted an NFL job he would have accepted one long ago.
You can't deny the guy loves football and is highly motivational.
He seems to embrace challenges...is PSU a sufficient challenge and opportunity?
CIGNETTI gets SOCIAL SEQUITY CHECKS NEXT YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
None of these guys are better than Franklin. None would excite the fan base. Eliminate any CFP HC and most of their coordinators. They need someone with a proven record who can be argued as better than Franklin otherwise why are we doing this? Personally, I hope they thoroughly vet Pat Fitzgerald who was wronged at NW 4 years ago. Guy is exactly what Krafty described in his presser. Last I heard he was living off his settlement from NW and a volunteer coach for a HS team after being wrongfully terminated. Nevertheless, they need a GM to handle personnel moves and let the new coach, coach.The article grades PSU on several different factors - read below:
Can Penn State win bigger without James Franklin? Coaching search report card, candidates
Penn State is a top-10 or top-15 job in college football that has plenty of recent success and resources, making it an attractive opening.
This one is the capper:
Overall: A
This is one of the best jobs in college football, in the top 10 or top 15, and it’s the rare opportunity to take over one of these programs coming off recent big-time success. We don’t know how the rest of the season will turn out, especially with Allar’s injury, but Penn State was a drive away from playing for the national championship last season and had high preseason expectations this year before everything unraveled after Oregon. Its resources and history will make this a sought-after job. The expectations will be sky-high, but any coach would welcome that.
Their Big Board is:
Matt Rhule
Curt Cignetti
Matt Campbell
Brian Kelly
Lane Kiffin
Eli Drinkwitz
Rhett Lashlee
Jon Sumrall
Manny Diaz
PJ Fleck
Frank Brown
Lance Leipold
Mike Elko
@Tom McAndrew - if you feel this is duplicative, please feel free to move. Thanks!
I hope Terry Smith gets the permanent head coaching position because that would mean that PSU won the rest of their games this year. So, lets go Terry.
No doubt Kraft put himself in the position to do just that and now he needs to make it happen. In his press conference he kind of hemmed himself in and now he has to produce a great hire. Of course, there is always ones' perception of what a great hire actually is.
And Kraft's previous record is not as a homerun hitter, more like a guy moved up to the majors and never hits better than .200. His record indicates he needs to step up. If it's Rhule I'll know he's not "big league" capable.