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PhredPhantom

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I have started thinking seriously about buying a Tesla car but I’ve never owned or even ridden in one. I’m thinking a Model S P100D - probably slightly used but new is not out of the question.

I wondered if anyone on The Pack has experience with them or owns one. Going “Green” is not particularly important to me; I mainly like the technology aspect and the performance. I think it would be cool to plug it in at home and it would be ready to go the next morning.

I’m retired and spend most of my driving time shuttling my wife back and forth to doctor appointments in Columbus and Starkville and traveling to MSU for games - all of which are approximately 45 miles one-way from home. I might occasionally use it for longer trips but I could find superchargers along the trip for that.

If anybody has advice for a first-time electric car buyer I would appreciate it - especially from those with personal experience. One significant issue (in my opinion) is that the closest Tesla dealer is probably Atlanta. I live about 45 miles due South of Starkville. Also if anyone had a Tesla and would be willing to meet sometime in Starkville for a short demo ride it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank y’all in advance.
 

Faustdog

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I rented that exact car for a week in California a couple of years ago. Loved it. The acceleration is what gets you. Really makes passing people fun.

You have to change your mindset for trips, because when you stop to charge you’re stopping for about 40 minutes. We drove down the coast and ended up stopping at a couple of targets with superchargers so that we could make use of the time.
 

RBDog82

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I’ve got a 2019 Model S LR and absolutely love it. Feel free to shoot me a PM and I’d be happy to answer any questions. Also, I have a referral code that could get you free supercharger miles.
 

57stratdawg

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They seem great. My friends with them speak very highly. Like faust said, the power is just not something internal combustion engines can match. Especially for being 100% silent. It can be hard to orient yourself without the sound of an engine. You might look down and be going to 90, but it feels slower because all you hear is the radio. The P100D will suck you into the chair like a rollercoaster though. Their new Plaid model is the fastest 0-60 car every produced, I believe. Of course, you’ll be paying for it though.

I would expect some frustration with the purchasing process. Don’t be surprised if Tesla misses a delivery date (or two). You can in theory ‘test drive’ one for a week and return it, but that sounds like a challenge given the logistics. I doubt many people are returning them anyway.

Also, don’t be surprised if after you purchase, Tesla alters its pricing or trim packages to something that wasn’t available when you purchased. That could lead to a “whew, thank goodness” or a “well ****” moment. Just something to keep in mind.

Finally, if you’re at that price point, check out the Porsche Taycan. I think Volkswagen and Tesla will likely be battling it out for years to come at the top of the EV world. Hard to go wrong either way. But, you might find Porsche’s traditional approach to purchasing / dealership access a bit more useful than Tesla’s.

They’re a blast either way. You can’t go wrong.
 

Captain Ron

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PhredPhantom;[URL="[URL said:
tel:1894557[/URL]"]1894557[/URL]]I have started thinking seriously about buying a Tesla car but I’ve never owned or even ridden in one. I’m thinking a Model S P100D - probably slightly used but new is not out of the question.

I wondered if anyone on The Pack has experience with them or owns one. Going “Green” is not particularly important to me; I mainly like the technology aspect and the performance. I think it would be cool to plug it in at home and it would be ready to go the next morning.

I’m retired and spend most of my driving time shuttling my wife back and forth to doctor appointments in Columbus and Starkville and traveling to MSU for games - all of which are approximately 45 miles one-way from home. I might occasionally use it for longer trips but I could find superchargers along the trip for that.

If anybody has advice for a first-time electric car buyer I would appreciate it - especially from those with personal experience. One significant issue (in my opinion) is that the closest Tesla dealer is probably Atlanta. I live about 45 miles due South of Starkville. Also if anyone had a Tesla and would be willing to meet sometime in Starkville for a short demo ride it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank y’all in advance.

Feel free to PM me as well. I have had a LR model 3 since 2018. I have done a lot of road trips and obviously a lot of in city commuting. I still love the car and would get another Tesla tomorrow as my first choice.
 

Xenomorph

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Wow.. in MS 83.1% of our electricity comes from coal and natural gas. I really had no idea.
 

Jeffreauxdawg

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For me I would think of It as a cool second vehicle or a first vehicle with a backup. I will qualify this by saying I have never owned one, but my opinion of Tesla is skewed by some terrible experiences my former neighbor had. From a performance standpoint, his Model S was basically a Ferrari. Amazing. But the problem was with the craftsmanship/service.

About a month after it was delivered (Fall 2018) some kind of warning light came on and he had to take it in for service. The service center in Dallas kept it for nearly 2 weeks and didn't have a loaner so they gave him Uber credits. After getting it back, he had a terrible rattle in the passenger side and had to take it back in for a few more days.The rattle wasn't there before he took it in but was when he got it back and they tried to charge him a diagnostic fee. I think he told them to 17 off...

He seemed okay after that, but a few months later he got caught in a hailstorm. Lots of people did (including myself.) Man it took 4 months to get all the parts and repairs done... My wife's car (European) took 6 weeks, so everyone had a problem. My insurance would only cover 30 days of rental, but the dealership split the next 2 weeks with me... I think he was just SOL for 3 months.

Dude was pissed. He dropped $70k on a vehicle and couldn't ever drive it. Ended up buying a BMW SUV while the Tesla was getting fixed and sold the Tesla back to the BMW dealership once it was repaired.

The hailstorm was an act of God, but the supply chain or lack thereof would be a concern. I don't think it's a big deal to have bugs in a new car either... Hell my brakes went out on a new truck at 4500 miles once.

But the inability to service/repair Tesla's in a quick and effective manor would scare me out of making it my only vehicle. For me, we bag on car dealerships a lot, but it's nice having someone local to make **** right when it goes wrong.... Can you imagine having to deal directly with Toyota or Ford?

So I'm a big fan of the vehicle, but I hate the business model. I would like to see more of a network before I bought one as my only vehicle unless I lived in a major city where Uber credits are as good as a loaner.**
 

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Sounds like a nightmare. I will say that I have a few friends in Atlanta with them, and they’ve all loved them without major issues. I’ve thought about it, but it’d definitely be a second car for me, and not something I think I’ll get in the place I’m moving, at least for now
 
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That’s good considering that like 68% of electricity comes from coal or natural gas...
Do the idiots who downvoted this think the downvote is going to change the fact? Our electricity does not come from solar panels. It mostly comes form fossil fuels. I like the idea of electric cars, mostly from a traffic noise perspective. But you are not saving the planet by using an electric car.
 

Dawgzilla

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That’s good considering that like 68% of electricity comes from coal or natural gas...

For now.

EVs are our future. Electricity will come from renewable sources, and massless batteries will provide range and rapid charging. You can jump on board now, or wait until its more convenient for you.
 

Hump4Hoops

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The problem is that's not the point.

Sure, our grid is mostly powered by fossil fuels. For now.

Gasoline powered cars are permanently powered by 100% fossil fuels. Electric cars are powered by whatever is powering the grid, which is not 100% fossil fuels, and will improve over time.
 

cowbell88

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How many watts does it actually take to charge one of these? I’ve seen the generator pics, but haven’t paid attention if they have multiple cords for multiple vehicles or all that generator capacity is for one charge?
 

Captain Ron

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Mobile Bay;[URL="tel:1894603" said:
1894603[/URL]]Stopping to charge for that long is an absolute deal breaker to me.

At least for me, that is not the norm. If your route takes you along an interstate, the Super Chargers are spaced out about 150 miles, so about every 2.5 hours. I am typically dumping in 500 mph at less than 40% discharge and the newer SC will do up to 1000mph.

Yes, If you need to top to 100%, you may be there 40 minutes, but that is almost never my situation. An example of it though would be from ATL to Starkville. I would like to be close to “full” leaving BHM to limit time charging on a 115v to make it easily back to the BHM SC for the trip home. Once Tuscaloosa opens, that is all out the window. 300 mile range makes stops much shorter, or eliminates them completely. If you get a shorter range car and you are doing road trips, it does increase the amount of time charging.

When we drive to Destin from ATL, depending on whether we have destination charging, it may require only one stop for 15 minutes or 2 short ones at Auburn and Defuniak Springs.

It certainly isn’t as easy as topping off in a car, but with 2 girls in the car, we are not going more than 150 miles without a bathroom break anyway. We just plan them at a SC whether we need to charge or not and by the time they are done, we are back at 80%.

if you are doing frequent long road trips to areas without fast charging, I get it. With 300 mile range, it is not as some describe.

As far as reliability, 2.7 years and the only thing I have called the service center for was a broken seat adjustment. The came to our house and fixed it. We do live close to a service center though. There have been growing pains with the 3 and the Y especially with workmanship in certain areas.

In summary, for any sort of daily commute of 200 miles round trip, there is no doubt the Tesla wins hands down in my experience. I NEVER stop for gas. 2 seconds to plug in at home and I am good to go. Road trips at this point( if your goal is to get there as fast as possible) the ICE is the clear winner at the moment. (Assuming you are not getting the S with the 500 mile range).

We have an ICE and the Tesla, and we still take the Tesla on every road trip FWIW.
 

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For now.

EVs are our future. Electricity will come from renewable sources, and massless batteries will provide range and rapid charging. You can jump on board now, or wait until its more convenient for you.

Massless batteries?

I don't know where you learned your laws of physics from. But you should get a refund.
 

msudawg12

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I absolutely love the cars and everyone i know that has one still loves it. But I personally drive too much and cannot afford the time for charging stops
 

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I have started thinking seriously about buying a Tesla car but I’ve never owned or even ridden in one. I’m thinking a Model S P100D - probably slightly used but new is not out of the question.

I wondered if anyone on The Pack has experience with them or owns one. Going “Green” is not particularly important to me; I mainly like the technology aspect and the performance. I think it would be cool to plug it in at home and it would be ready to go the next morning.

I’m retired and spend most of my driving time shuttling my wife back and forth to doctor appointments in Columbus and Starkville and traveling to MSU for games - all of which are approximately 45 miles one-way from home. I might occasionally use it for longer trips but I could find superchargers along the trip for that.

If anybody has advice for a first-time electric car buyer I would appreciate it - especially from those with personal experience. One significant issue (in my opinion) is that the closest Tesla dealer is probably Atlanta. I live about 45 miles due South of Starkville. Also if anyone had a Tesla and would be willing to meet sometime in Starkville for a short demo ride it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank y’all in advance.

I don't own a Tesla (yet). However, I bought a Nissan Leaf in December 2014, and I'm still driving it. It has around 73,000 miles on it.

The only maintenance I've done on my Leaf: 1) bought a set of new tires; and 2) refilled the windshield wiper fluid. That's it.

Based upon my years of driving my car, the positive things about EVs: 1) (nearly) no maintenance costs; 2) no emissions tests needed to obtain my car registration; 3) I never have to put gas in it; 4) no engine noise; and 5) easy to charge at home.

The negative things about EVs: 1) limited mileage (generally, I won't drive my Leaf any further than a 60-mile roundtrip; of course, Tesla would be much further); and 2) you have to familiarize yourself with the charging equipment (that takes about 1 minute) and the charger locations (if you will be driving your EV further than its range).

I also own an ICE car, and we (my wife and I) use it regularly (once or twice a week). For example, if we both need to run errands, headed in different directions, at the same time, then one of us will drive the Leaf and the other takes the ICE car. Also, our daughter plays in lacrosse and softball tournaments in Maryland that are outside the range of the Leaf. Finally, if we have to drive anywhere that is further than the range of the Leaf, then we'll drive the ICE car. (A Tesla, with its 300-mile range, will give you more flexibility in that regard.)

This is the first and only EV I've owned. When I first bought it, I was very unsure about whether it was a good idea. However, looking back, buying/owning my EV has been nearly perfect. No regrets whatsoever.

When the Leaf goes out, we'll be purchasing a Tesla . . . or, some other EV. From here on out, we'll always have an EV to drive.
 
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Keep dreaming. For the foreseeable future, it will be mostly fossil fuels. Fossil fuels are still needed for back up to wind and solar (see Texas). Hydroelectric is probably maxed out. Nuclear is probably the way to go, but good luck building enough infrastructure with the environmentalist lobby opposed.

Which power source is most acceptable to the environmentalist? Hydroelectric kills trees and destroys wetlands. Fossil fuels emit hydrocarbons, CO2, N2O. Nuclear produces radioactive waste, may melt down. Sucks living in an imperfect world, huh?
 

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Keep dreaming. For the foreseeable future, it will be mostly fossil fuels. Fossil fuels are still needed for back up to wind and solar (see Texas). Hydroelectric is probably maxed out. Nuclear is probably the way to go, but good luck building enough infrastructure with the environmentalist lobby opposed.

Which power source is most acceptable to the environmentalist? Hydroelectric kills trees and destroys wetlands. Fossil fuels emit hydrocarbons, CO2, N2O. Nuclear produces radioactive waste, may melt down. Sucks living in an imperfect world, huh?


To many of them, none. Seriously I have heard the Mobile Baykeeper say herself that we should all go back to pre columbian ways of living to save the planet.
 

57stratdawg

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It’s a play on words. “No added mass” is a better description, but doesn’t sound as cool. So, “massless”, it is.

One thing to consider is that added weight of traditional packs has very beneficial safety aspects. Tesla has often been called “6 star” on a scale of 1-5 testing. It’ll be interesting to see how that plays out if they go into production.
 

Dawgzilla

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Massless batteries?

I don't know where you learned your laws of physics from. But you should get a refund.

A simple Google search would have clued you in. "Massless" batteries are misnamed, but I didn't name them. They are batteries that double as structural elements, so that they don't add mass to the overall object. In a car, the frame and body parts could double as batteries. In a building, support beams and columns could store electricity.
 

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I'm retired and could deal with the charging times I guess but really don't want to. At my age I doubt the charging times get shortened enough to get me interested. I am planning on buying a hybrid in a year or two.
 

Jeffreauxdawg

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Repair at Tesla service centers. Body work is available at authorized body shops. The biggest problem I see is a lack of 3rd party repair shops and parts manufacturers. That could be a mess down the road if Tesla plans to sell 500 million cars a year as their stock pumpers suggest
 

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War and Peace

I will arbitrarily and initially make one statement as an EV owner, after witnessing reactions, and having many discussions about them. The ratio of undereducated opinions of the benefits of well executed EVs, to unpragmatic, utopian views of the potential exclusivity of EVs, is 1:1. After casting those aside, I'll see if I can add anything of value (probably not...). I've always been a fan of all forms of automotive propulsion, and this was the consumer choice I made to fit, own personal perspective. I didn't buy the car for environmental, or some status seeking reason.

I am a 2 year owner of a Tesla Model 3 Standard Range+ (Initial EPA Range - 240 miles). I have the base Autopilot, which is misnamed, and didn't spend the extra money for Full Self Driving. After 40,000 miles, I'm more pleased with my decision now, than I was then. There are pros and cons, as there is with any vehicle.

I have started thinking seriously about buying a Tesla car but I’ve never owned or even ridden in one. I’m thinking a Model S P100D - probably slightly used but new is not out of the question.
I'd look at a new Model S, if you can swing it. They just refreshed it, and should be worthy of your consideration.
I wondered if anyone on The Pack has experience with them or owns one. Going “Green” is not particularly important to me; I mainly like the technology aspect and the performance. I think it would be cool to plug it in at home and it would be ready to go the next morning.

I’m retired and spend most of my driving time shuttling my wife back and forth to doctor appointments in Columbus and Starkville and traveling to MSU for games - all of which are approximately 45 miles one-way from home. I might occasionally use it for longer trips but I could find superchargers along the trip for that.
Oh, it cooler than you might think. Not because of the novelty. But you don't have to stop at gas stations for day to day use. It will spoil you. I use level one charging (regular household outlet, with no necessity of equipment installation) at home, 90% of the time. If you get a 240v wall charger installed, you'll really get the most out of it. You'll only have to stop at Superchargers, during road trips (With the larger battery size of the Model S, stops are less needed than my car with 60% of its range).

One significant issue (in my opinion) is that the closest Tesla dealer is probably Atlanta.
You have to get rid of the traditional dealer paradigm, when dealing with Tesla. BUt I do understand you desire to Test Drive/Ride. The closest service center is probably in Pearl, or Memphis (depending where you are in relation to the Golden Triangle. The Pearl location is about to get upgraded to a full scale showroom, in the next couple of months. In times where is is most convenient, like minor service, Tesla has Mobile Rangers that will do service to your car at your location, either home or work (by appt.).

Now, I'm adding some personal pros/cons to the ownership experience.

Cons:
  1. The time you have to add onto your trip, for supercharging. It's not nearly as bad as the uninformed make it out to be. But depending on the length of your trip, the potential is there to make it 20% longer. It takes me 1/2 an hour longer to get to Starkville from Gulfport, than our gas vehicles. But If I had a long range vehicle, like the Model S, or Long Range Model 3, I wouldn't have to stop, and I could charge once I got into town. But with the new faster Supercharger speeds, I've already seen my time/cost for supercharging get cut by 40%, and that should only improve.
  2. The $150 EV tax levied by Mississippi on your tag every year. I understand the need to recoup the gas taxes you would otherwise be paying, for highway maintenance. But that fee is about twice what it needs to be.
  3. Speed Kills... your range. If you like to drive north of 75 mph a lot, expect that to shorten your stated range by about 1/3. That problem also exists in normal cars. But in EV's and most hybrids, you get much better range in town, than you do on the interstate. WIth my cars stated EPA range of 240 miles, I get about 190 miles at high speeds, but 300+ in daily street driving (thanks to aggressive regenerative braking).
  4. Range is cut short in really cold weather. Unless you get a newer Tesla with a heat pump, your car will lose 1/2 of its range in below freezing temps, on a cold battery. There are steps to mitigate this, like preheating the car before you leave home (you can schedule the car to do this)
  5. Tires. While this is no different than most performance cars, it differs slightly from traditional cars. Because of the extra weight of large battery EV's, and the extra torque you get from the electric motor, expect more tire wear than average. I've rotated my tires every 6,000 miles. with 40,000 on the original set, I probably have 10,000 miles left of good tread left. But I drive much easier on my tires than most. I usually get 70-80,000 miles out of a set of Michelin all-season tires.

Pros:
  1. Cost of daily operation. It would me about $2.60 to completely charge my car at home. Which is a about $0.0108/mile. After I include the money spent Supercharging (still much less than traditional fuel), I'm at under 1/7th the cost of fuel on my last Honda Accord.
  2. Cost of Maintenance. Forget about oil changes, transmission flushes, timing belt and water pump changes. The amount of moving parts in an EV are FAR less than a traditional vehicle. You will only go through tires, and washer fluid, and interior cabin filters. Teslas require no periodic maintenance, but only work as needed. I've replace my cabin filters myself twice, at a total cost of $16. USed two gallons of washer fluid, and rotated my tires every 6,000 miles. That's it. With that being said, my car turns two years old tomorrow, and I plan on taking it to the service center in New Orleans, and pay for a strict inspection. I want to catch any potential problems, before my "bumper to bumper" warranty runs out at 50,000 miles. (The battery warranty depends on the model, but is usually in the 8 year 120,000 mile range.)
  3. Over the air updates. My car is not nearly the same car that I bought two years ago, thanks to periodic updates from Tesla. Features are often added, and performance/efficiency optimized.
  4. Instant, linear torque curves. It makes your car feel much faster, than it is. But, the increase in responsiveness will really change the way you drive. Or, it will make you dislike driving conventional cars with transmissions and torque curves.
  5. Safety: The 2nd reason I bought the car. The model 3 is among the safest cars on the planet. That doesn't mean they are bulletproof, and that you'll want to go play chicken with a Suburban. But they are extraordinarily safe. Due to the number of wrecks I've personally been victim in, I placed a larger than normal emphasis on avoidance and protection.

Hope I've at least helped a small amount, with this incoherent rambling. I know it's been like reading a bad novel, for those who made it past "TL/DR" status.
 
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For the TL/DR set...

EV's aren't for everyone. But you'd be surprised how many would benefit from them. Cost parity is nearing reality, with charging and parts/service having greatly improved, from when most opinions on Teslas were formed half a decade ago.

I'm not a tree hugging hippy, who thinks EV's should take over the transportation landscape. I'm all for consumer choice. My choice was to buy a Model 3. And my bride is getting a Model Y, as soon as we finish paying our kids education at State.
 
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Probably bc everyone knows we are reliant on fossil...

Do the idiots who downvoted this think the downvote is going to change the fact? Our electricity does not come from solar panels. It mostly comes form fossil fuels. I like the idea of electric cars, mostly from a traffic noise perspective. But you are not saving the planet by using an electric car.

Nobody had posted about how they were saving the earth. But every time someone brings up an electric car in this forum some jacks *** has to talk about the 17ing obvious as if they discovered some covered up industry secret.

We know we rely on fossil fuels. It has been that way for a while. It'll be that way for a while longer. It'll get cleaner. And then our energy sources will be mostly clean because the world changes and we all adapt and move on.

The next time somebody posts about water, maybe I'll let everyone know that it's wet. Will you cry is that post gets downvoted?
 

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I'm convincing my wife to get an EV for her next vehicle.

I need a truck for towing and for our road trips. Even if not towing, I don't like the idea of long waits when recharging. But it would be nice to have an around town vehicle that we can just fuel up in the garage and get a couple hundred miles on it. That plus being able to take it to 60 in a about 3 ticks. With the model 3 going for 40ish, it's now getting to be price friendly compared to other vehicles we might consider.
 

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I have started thinking seriously about buying a Tesla car but I’ve never owned or even ridden in one. I’m thinking a Model S P100D - probably slightly used but new is not out of the question.

I wondered if anyone on The Pack has experience with them or owns one. Going “Green” is not particularly important to me; I mainly like the technology aspect and the performance. I think it would be cool to plug it in at home and it would be ready to go the next morning.

I’m retired and spend most of my driving time shuttling my wife back and forth to doctor appointments in Columbus and Starkville and traveling to MSU for games - all of which are approximately 45 miles one-way from home. I might occasionally use it for longer trips but I could find superchargers along the trip for that.

If anybody has advice for a first-time electric car buyer I would appreciate it - especially from those with personal experience. One significant issue (in my opinion) is that the closest Tesla dealer is probably Atlanta. I live about 45 miles due South of Starkville. Also if anyone had a Tesla and would be willing to meet sometime in Starkville for a short demo ride it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank y’all in advance.

Your "dealer" is in Nashville.

A 100D would be enough to get you to the coast or New Orleans on a single charge with some left over.

I have a SR 3. But I only drive my car as work commuter ( just like my last 4).

It's a great second car.
 

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That’s good considering that like 68% of electricity comes from coal or natural gas...
Economy of Scale means it's still less polluting.

And if they guy lives 45 miles south of starkville, he's in the TVA area and they are 39% nuclear, 19% coal, 26% natural gas, 11% hydro.
 
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