OT: Tesla Owners - Supercharger Voting

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If you know anyone who owns a Tesla. Please have them vote for NEW Supercharger locations in Mississippi. They will also be for use to other EVs besides Tesla. Starkville and the other place are the only 2 SEC schools without Tesla Superchargers in close proximity. Tesla holds voting every quarter.

Mississippi Locations to vote on (Tesla owners get 5 votes): Natchez, Starkville, Ridgeland, and Oxford. Unfortunately you can only vote on each location once. Spread the word, and thanks!


https://www.tesla.com/supercharger-voting
 

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Changing subject, a little, Tesla is building a tunnel from Downtown Nashville to the Airport and only Tesla vehicles will be allowed to use it.
 
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Changing subject, a little, Tesla is building a tunnel from Downtown Nashville to the Airport and only Tesla vehicles will be allowed to use it.
It's not for any cars to use publicly. It's a public transport system that uses Teslas to transport passengers. Think of it like a subway, but instead of a big train there are numerous individual Tesla cars.

There's been one like this in Vegas for several years.
 

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If you know anyone who owns a Tesla. Please have them vote for NEW Supercharger locations in Mississippi. They will also be for use to other EVs besides Tesla. Starkville and the other place are the only 2 SEC schools without Tesla Superchargers in close proximity. Tesla holds voting every quarter.

Mississippi Locations to vote on (Tesla owners get 5 votes): Natchez, Starkville, Ridgeland, and Oxford. Unfortunately you can only vote on each location once. Spread the word, and thanks!


https://www.tesla.com/supercharger-voting

There are multiple charging stations in Starkville now that seldom if ever get used. There have been 3 downtown open since last Fall and I've seen 1 car using them since they opened in October last year, a City of Starkville Utilities Chevy Volt was parked there using it. There are Superchargers at two hotels but you have to be guests to use them. There's 1 on campus that I saw a Cyber Truck of all things using last year w/out being eligible to use it, I've never seen another car there.

If it were economically feasible someone would do it for economic reasons and not just to make us one of only 2 schools in the SEC not to have one. I'm going to look for an article I read a month or two ago that spoke about the cost of building those and it was outrageous compared to the return. Building one cost from $150,000 to $350,000 depending on number of outlets installed. Installation costs are $10,000 to $50,000. Upgrades to the grid to install them can range from $10,000 to $50,000
 
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There are multiple charging stations in Starkville now that seldom if ever get used. There have been 3 downtown open since last Fall and I've seen 1 car using them since they opened in October last year, a City of Starkville Utilities Chevy Volt was parked there using it. There are Superchargers at two hotels but you have to be guests to use them. There's 1 on campus that I saw a Cyber Truck of all things using last year w/out being eligible to use it, I've never seen another car there.

If it were economically feasible someone would do it for economic reasons and not just to make us one of only 2 schools in the SEC not to have one. I'm going to look for an article I read a month or two ago that spoke about the cost of building those and it was outrageous compared to the return. Building one cost from $150,000 to $350,000 depending on number of outlets installed. Installation costs are $10,000 to $50,000. Upgrades to the grid to install them can range from $10,000 to $50,000
Is this a "Say you are against EVs without saying you are against EVs" kind of thing? This was not meant to spark a time wsting debate. This is meant for relaying to Tesla owners to get a vital piece of EV infrastructure placed in the Starkville/MSU area.

Being that as it may, allow me to help you out:
1) The multiple charging locations you mention are not Superchargers (a type of DC Fast Charger.) They are Level 2 AC charging stations, similar to getting current of a dryer plug at home.
2) There is only one location with a DC Fast Charger in Starkville, on Lampkin Street. It has two terminals which I use every time I come to Starkville. While I'm glad it is now there, it is insufficient compared to charge rates at Tesla Superchargers and others like Electrify America.
3) The Level 2 chargers at hotels, when operable, are an amenity for the guests. The one on Campus Is at the Research Park is similar in type. More examples of insufficient charging infrastructure.
4) On event days of any type, making a day trip to Starkville in your EV is inconvenient, at its very best. A Supercharger site would accommodate those who travel through and visit the area, not so much the locals. This is a real issue for the growing EV community.
5) Tesla builds and operates the actual DC Fast Charging Supercharger sites where they are hosted. The cost for the site host was around $25k-50k total for 6-12 units a couple of years ago. (Newer supercharger technology has supposedly driven this cost downward, but I don't have the data to back that up. So I won't apply that as fact.) Most of the profit from each charge goes to the site host. Not to mention what is spent on peripheral goods/services while visiting for a charge.
 
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Is this a "Say you are against EVs without saying you are against EVs" kind of thing? This was not meant to spark a time wsting debate. This is meant for relaying to Tesla owners to get a vital piece of EV infrastructure placed in the Starkville/MSU area.

Being that as it may, allow me to help you out:
1) The multiple charging locations you mention are not Superchargers (a type of DC Fast Charger.) They are Level 2 AC charging stations, similar to getting current of a dryer plug at home.
2) There is only one location with a DC Fast Charger in Starkville, on Lampkin Street. It has two terminals which I use every time I come to Starkville. While I'm glad it is now there, it is insufficient compared to charge rates at Tesla Superchargers and others like Electrify America.
3) The Level 2 chargers at hotels, when operable, are an amenity for the guests. The one on Campus Is at the Research Park is similar in type. More examples of insufficient charging infrastructure.
4) On event days of any type, making a day trip to Starkville in your EV is inconvenient, at its very best. A Supercharger site would accommodate those who travel through and visit the area, not so much the locals. This is a real issue for the growing EV community.
5) Tesla builds and operates the actual DC Fast Charging Supercharger sites where they are hosted. The cost for the site host was around $25k-50k total for 6-12 units a couple of years ago. (Newer supercharger technology has supposedly driven this cost downward, but I don't have the data to back that up. So I won't apply that as fact.) Most of the profit from each charge goes to the site host. Not to mention what is spent on peripheral goods/services while visiting for a charge.
Not saying I'm against them at all. I'm saying there isn't a demand here. EV sales haven't come close to estimates, manufacturers are backing off of their projections from years ago.

A "vital piece of EV infrastructure"? Again, if there were demand for multiple vehicles to need this service, someone would do it IF it was going to make them money. They make nothing sitting there idle waiting for the occasional car passing through Starkville to come along and use it.

What Does It Cost To Build A SuperCharger

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Changing subject, a little, Tesla is building a tunnel from Downtown Nashville to the Airport and only Tesla vehicles will be allowed to use it.
Seriously? I'm surprised that they can get right of way for that. Is it even right of way if it is underground? How is that managed/how do you get permits for that? Are there established tunnel standards/inspections? I have a lot of questions for you people...
 

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There are multiple charging stations in Starkville now that seldom if ever get used. There have been 3 downtown open since last Fall and I've seen 1 car using them since they opened in October last year, a City of Starkville Utilities Chevy Volt was parked there using it. There are Superchargers at two hotels but you have to be guests to use them. There's 1 on campus that I saw a Cyber Truck of all things using last year w/out being eligible to use it, I've never seen another car there.

If it were economically feasible someone would do it for economic reasons and not just to make us one of only 2 schools in the SEC not to have one. I'm going to look for an article I read a month or two ago that spoke about the cost of building those and it was outrageous compared to the return. Building one cost from $150,000 to $350,000 depending on number of outlets installed. Installation costs are $10,000 to $50,000. Upgrades to the grid to install them can range from $10,000 to $50,000
I suspect that if there were an ROI, filling stations might dedicate a parking spot or two to charging.
 

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If you know anyone who owns a Tesla. Please have them vote for NEW Supercharger locations in Mississippi. They will also be for use to other EVs besides Tesla. Starkville and the other place are the only 2 SEC schools without Tesla Superchargers in close proximity. Tesla holds voting every quarter.

Mississippi Locations to vote on (Tesla owners get 5 votes): Natchez, Starkville, Ridgeland, and Oxford. Unfortunately you can only vote on each location once. Spread the word, and thanks!


https://www.tesla.com/supercharger-voting
As a Tesla owner since 2019....I'm tired of telling people I can go pretty much anywhere in the US in my tesla, but I can't go from Jackson to Starkville and home. Been driving my crazy for 6 years now.

Yes, I can make it, but its not fun. Had to drive home at 45 MPH one time.
 
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As a Tesla owner since 2019....I'm tired of telling people I can go pretty much anywhere in the US in my tesla, but I can't go from Jackson to Starkville and home. Been driving my crazy for 6 years now.

Yes, I can make it, but its not fun. Had to drive home at 45 MPH one time
That's 300 miles max round trip from West Jackson (CLinton Blvd) to East Starkville according to Google Maps. You can't do that on a single charge? I thought most could go 400+ miles?
 

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The Starkville chargers you speak of are Level 2 chargers just like the one I have at home. They are on a 60 amp (at best) breaker and charge at a rate of 37 miles per hour (adds 37 miles of range for each hour they are plugged in). That means if you want to add 100 miles of range, it’ll take about 3 hours of being plugged in and waiting for it to charge.

Tesla Superchargers charge at rates anywhere from 300 to 900 miles per hour depending on the charger (older ones are 150 KWH and newer ones are 250 KWH or more) and the current state of charge of your car’s battery. To add 100 miles of range at a Supercharger takes 10-15 minutes.

If you were in Starkville and wanted to add 100 or more miles of range to get back to Jackson, for example, nobody wants to sit at a supercharger for 3 hours but wouldn’t mind 10-15 minutes - plus waiting times for an available charger would be a LOT shorter. This would really come in to play on game weekends.

The reason Starkville will have a hard time getting a supercharger is because not that many travelers pass through Starkville on a trip; they are usually going TO or FROM Starkville. Superchargers are usually put on highly-traveled routes between highly-populated cities, not relatively small destinations like Starkville. I’d LOVE to have a supercharger in Starkville but, for economic reasons, I don’t think it is very likely.
 

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The reason Starkville will have a hard time getting a supercharger is because not that many travelers pass through Starkville on a trip; they are usually going TO or FROM Starkville. Superchargers are usually put on highly-traveled routes between highly-populated cities, not relatively small destinations like Starkville. I’d LOVE to have a supercharger in Starkville but, for economic reasons, I don’t think it is very likely.
As money hungry as the University is, I am surprised they don't have them all over campus...for students and visitors. Like, how much extra would pay to park and charge your EV on a gameday? Seems like the perfect scenario. Tailgate, watch the game, and you're car is fully charged when your done.
 

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That's 300 miles max round trip from West Jackson (CLinton Blvd) to East Starkville according to Google Maps. You can't do that on a single charge? I thought most could go 400+ miles?
300mile range is more likely 230-250 miles driving highway speeds.

Under ideal conditions i can make it from brandon and back with a charge, but it leaves about 1% left to get home. Head wind, hot temps, any sort of side trips....and im stuck. No where to charge on the way home.
 

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300mile range is more likely 230-250 miles driving highway speeds.

Under ideal conditions i can make it from brandon and back with a charge, but it leaves about 1% left to get home. Head wind, hot temps, any sort of side trips....and im stuck. No where to charge on the way home.
It is almost impossible to comprehend that there isn't a charging station in Louisville or Carthage! There should definitely be one in Noxapater.
 

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Not saying I'm against them at all. I'm saying there isn't a demand here. EV sales haven't come close to estimates, manufacturers are backing off of their projections from years ago.

A "vital piece of EV infrastructure"? Again, if there were demand for multiple vehicles to need this service, someone would do it IF it was going to make them money. They make nothing sitting there idle waiting for the occasional car passing through Starkville to come along and use it.

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This statement is as ignorant as it comes. You posted Volvo EV sales and Tesla China sales (which are still crushing it btw even though BYD is a major competitor there).

The Tesla Model Y is one of the best selling vehicles in the US. Just bc GM & Ford haven’t figured it out doesn’t mean the technology sucks.
 
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It is almost impossible to comprehend that there isn't a charging station in Louisville or Carthage! There should definitely be one in Noxapater.
There’s a pretty good one in Mathiston of all places. And Winona just put in some new ones at the Pilot truck stop. Both are too close to me to need but I’m glad they’re there.
 

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There’s a pretty good one in Mathiston of all places. And Winona just put in some new ones at the Pilot truck stop. Both are too close to me to need but I’m glad they’re there.
Vaiden have one at the tittty club?
 

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It is almost impossible to comprehend that there isn't a charging station in Louisville or Carthage! There should definitely be one in Noxapater.
Heck, there's barely even any places for me to get gas for my environmentally unfriendly pollution machine between Starkville and Madison.
 
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If you know anyone who owns a Tesla. Please have them vote for NEW Supercharger locations in Mississippi. They will also be for use to other EVs besides Tesla. Starkville and the other place are the only 2 SEC schools without Tesla Superchargers in close proximity. Tesla holds voting every quarter.

Mississippi Locations to vote on (Tesla owners get 5 votes): Natchez, Starkville, Ridgeland, and Oxford. Unfortunately you can only vote on each location once. Spread the word, and thanks!


https://www.tesla.com/supercharger-voting

No, charge your SWASTICAR at your house. ***
 

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They will pry the keys to my internal combustion engine powered automobile from my cold dead hands.
 
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All I see are some examples of finding some articles to back up an assertion. Once again, this was not meant to be a debate. For there is nothing TO debate. My post was a simple call for a grass roots effort through possible tesla owners in our fanbase, to bring a tesla supercharger to the area.

But no. We have a poor presentation of F.U.D. stating some poor argument for a largely Tesla subsidized increase of DC Fast Charging infrastructure.

So, if any of you know someone with a Tesla, please ask them to go vote.


There is no need (once again) to try to make a debate out of this. Especially with poor data.

Thank you and good night.
 
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All I see are some examples of finding some articles to back up an assertion. Once again, this was not meant to be a debate. For there is nothing TO debate. My post was a simple call for a grass roots effort through possible tesla owners in our fanbase, to bring a tesla supercharger to the area.

But no. We have a poor presentation of F.U.D. stating some poor argument for a largely Tesla subsidized increase of DC Fast Charging infrastructure.

So, if any of you know someone with a Tesla, please ask them to go vote.


There is no need (once again) to try to make a debate out of this. Especially with poor data.

Thank you and good night.
I voted for Oxford.
 

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300mile range is more likely 230-250 miles driving highway speeds.

Under ideal conditions i can make it from brandon and back with a charge, but it leaves about 1% left to get home. Head wind, hot temps, any sort of side trips....and im stuck. No where to charge on the way home.
I’ve wanted an EV for a while but the experience you describe is why I can’t pull the trigger.
 

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If you know anyone who owns a Tesla. Please have them vote for NEW Supercharger locations in Mississippi. They will also be for use to other EVs besides Tesla. Starkville and the other place are the only 2 SEC schools without Tesla Superchargers in close proximity. Tesla holds voting every quarter.

Mississippi Locations to vote on (Tesla owners get 5 votes): Natchez, Starkville, Ridgeland, and Oxford. Unfortunately you can only vote on each location once. Spread the word, and thanks!


https://www.tesla.com/supercharger-voting
most people that own an EV rarely ever charge at one of these stations. They charge at home because it's so much cheaper.

A KWH cost is about 11-14 cents at home compared to 42cents at a public fast charger. At 42 cents, I may as well have purchased a gas burner at that cost. Sure, you need them when traveling but it is rare I drive over 250 miles in a day. When I do, there are plenty of places all over MS now.

Having said that, having several in Starkville would be a good thing.
 
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Serious question. Is it better to have a charger in a destination city or are you better to have a charger half way between your home location and your destination location?
 

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Grenada has Tesla superchargers at one of the gas stations on the west side of I-55 at Hwy 7.
They do, but they’re generation 1 Tesla chargers. They’re not as fast nor compatible with other vehicles.

Toyota and Kirk dealerships have a DC fast charger though.
 

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Serious question. Is it better to have a charger in a destination city or are you better to have a charger half way between your home location and your destination location?
Either would work. For my case, Jackson to Starkville. I'd prefer a charger around the 25/12 intersection. a 10 minute charge getting into town and I wouldnt have to fool with anything getting home.

If the charge were in Lousiville, you'd have to stop for 10 minutes going or coming. Too me, it adds an extra stop. But not really.
 

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Serious question. Is it better to have a charger in a destination city or are you better to have a charger half way between your home location and your destination location?
Usually better to have one at or near your destination. That way you can charge when you first arrive at your destination so you’ll have plenty to drive around as much as you want and later you can “top-off” just before the trip home. Not a hard and fast rule but generally this is optimum.
 

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The cost to install a supercharger is about a quarter of a mil… probably pretty tough to make that pencil out on the P/L sheet for a Starkville location.