I'll have to find some backup but people are reporting that the INS is looking into Elon's citizenship paperwork and are trying to find a way to remove his citizenship and deport him. I'd love to say "that's crazy, It can't be true" but these days it might be 100% accurate.
OT: Twitter in Absolute Shambles
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Today's conspiracy is next week's fact
The plane tracking thing is interesting for a multitude of reasons, mostly because it's public information (which is how the kid got the information in the first place) and because it's protected 1st amendment speech (it's the same reason we get the name of a juvenile school shooter on the same day it happened).
It also appears that Grimes lives in LA and there is 0 evidence he flew into LA last night. So obviously someone is stalking them (and willing to allow themselves to be recorded and have their tag recorded as well) with other information. I sincerely hope someone is not putting anyone's life at danger over all of this petty crap, but this one doesn't pass the smell test to me. He is also pursuing legal action against the kid but some are arguing it's to cover up that he just sold another 2.5B in Tesla stock. But that's public info too.
The kid opened a discord and moved to Mastodon to keep posting the flight information.
Guess we can't post about drag show or proud boy rally locations anymore, right Elon?
It also appears that Grimes lives in LA and there is 0 evidence he flew into LA last night. So obviously someone is stalking them (and willing to allow themselves to be recorded and have their tag recorded as well) with other information. I sincerely hope someone is not putting anyone's life at danger over all of this petty crap, but this one doesn't pass the smell test to me. He is also pursuing legal action against the kid but some are arguing it's to cover up that he just sold another 2.5B in Tesla stock. But that's public info too.
The kid opened a discord and moved to Mastodon to keep posting the flight information.
Guess we can't post about drag show or proud boy rally locations anymore, right Elon?
There is a difference between tracking a flight, which is public, and tracking a specific person on a flight, which is not typically public info.
I understood the rule to mean that you can’t dox the real-time location of an individual. That is quite different than posting the location of an event.
Antifa scum used Twitter in the past to track down and attack journalist Andy Ngo. Sounds reasonable to disallow this to me.
Antifa scum used Twitter in the past to track down and attack journalist Andy Ngo. Sounds reasonable to disallow this to me.
I agree with both of you, by the way, but that isn't what's happening here. Sweeney was posting flight logs that he obtained from public flight log information (not sure if it's TSA or another source). To my knowledge, those do not record information about who is on the flight, simply that it bears Elon's private jet identifiers. Unless I'm missing something here, he's using this event as a reason to do something he said he wouldn't.
There are hacks posting extremely personal information about everyone on Twitter. I'm interested to see if this really takes off.
There are hacks posting extremely personal information about everyone on Twitter. I'm interested to see if this really takes off.
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And, again, this is the problem with 100% free speech. I disagree with what Sweeney is doing (apparently he had 24 accounts for celebrities like Trump, Bezos, Zuckerberg, etc.) because it puts people at risk unnecessarily. I think it's a positive change, but it's technically 100% legal and easily obtained information, so how do you marry those two concepts in this forum?
It appears to me as things got a little too close to Elon, like his kid being stalked by a stranger, and it's made him keeping his word more difficult because I believe he also wants to keep his family safe.
He did say doxing in real time is a suspension but with delay is ok. I haven't seen him clarify what he considers a suitable delay of posting information about someone's whereabouts.
It is legal but now it looks like it violates Twitter's TOS. I don't see this as a free speech issue because Twitter deemed it a safety issue. Sweeney can still do what he was doing elsewhere.
As always, the radical left is trying to tear down and weaken civilized society by pushing the limits with violence and fear. I think Elon will find the best solution that upholds free speech while helping to protect personal physical safety on the platform. If he's not assassinated first.
Just like with protesting outside of Supreme Court Justices homes... its against federal law but certain people want to sell it as free speech. Threatening Elon's life, and lets be honest... that is what this guy is doing, will get you banned. People always want to threaten certain people and say its 1A protected while also saying that 1A doesn't protect all speech. This is why we can't have nice things anymore. Crazy people will ruin everything and opportunist will profit off those crazy people.
Maybe the military aren't yet as woke as the Dems/MSM wants us to believe?
"The radical left..." is redundant
It's is most certainly not first amendment anything. Given you said that, you should probably just stop posting at all on the topic. I know you won't. But you should.
Tim Pool just confirmed that crazy *** Keith Olbermann was linking the Mastadon acct that live tracked his movements. Keith needs to suicide.
Except I was referring to an actual 1st Amendment supreme court case (Smith vs. Daily Mail) in which the supreme court unanimously decided that lawfully obtained information can be released without objection from the state. In that case, it was in regards to a minor who shot another student at a school, but the same principle would apply here as Sweeney isn't using illegal means to source the information he posts.
The point stands, however, that Elon owns Twitter and can pick and choose how to enforce/change the TOS as he sees fit. It's just interesting to me that the people that were up in arms about liberals owning Twitter can't see the double standard. This from someone who doesn't use or have a twitter account, by the way, so no real dog in the race.
And, again, I disagree with tracking flights (and the kid clearly isn't biased in who he picks as there were plenty of liberal celebrities on his tracking list) because of the risk it poses, but I'm also missing the connection that him posting flight information is the equivalent of exact coordinates (assassination style). I haven't seen evidence of that.
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Elon is no longer a mere celebrity. The left now fervently hate him and they have a record of acting with violence.
He doesn't want his real-time location tracked on Twitter. It doesn't matter if you think the doxing data is precise enough for action or not. Simple rule. Follow it or GTFO.
Haven't been keeping up with tracking and whatever the hell else is going on, but there are double standards in everything. Once upon a time, UK fans thought Rick was clean and Cal was dirty while Louisville fans believed Rick was dirty and Petrino had magically turned into a saint. Not weeping for any journalist tonight, but I did take a quick peek and noticed many cheerleading the bans as if their team had won something and saying things about journalists needing to take their medicine now. It's all a game that many take too personally. Some conservatives went to other platforms after 2020 while complaining they were being silenced. It appears liberals will now do the same. Meanwhile, I'm willing to bet most on twitter who aren't into this new social media "war" have seen little difference from the old boss to the new boss.
No. It's not the same as before. Elon is not banning people for their political beliefs like the old Twitter did. He implemented a safety rule and expects it to be followed. Doxing gets you a 7 day suspension.
Understood. The doxing stuff is news to me and I don't have an issue with the suspensions. It's Elon's World now so you gotta play by his rules or choose another platform.
Elon isn't the state. I don't get the reference. The state didn't prevent Sweeney from stating anything.
The Before Musk(the BM™) time where the state colluded and worked hand in hand with a private company to squelch speech was the issue.
So you are ok with people targeting conservatives as long as your agree with the censornship?....
Correct. That's the point that's missed. Twitter is not (anymore) a state actor so there is no first amendment anything.
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