OT: Walter White just did that.
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Here's what happened. In season 4 Walt had huel pat down Jesse and he took the ricin cigarette out of his pack. Walt then convinced Jesse that Gus took it out one day at work and used it to poison Brock. Jesse believed it and then went along and helped Walt in killing Gus when Walt actually poisoned Brock with the Lilly of the valley plant. When Jesse saw that huel took his weed grabbed his cigarettes he realized then that huel had picked his cigarettes before and took the ricin and it was all orchestrated by Walt.
Jesse is no longer is possession of the poison cigs. Last season him and Walt 'looked' for them and Walt found it in the rumba. Walt said he was gonna get rid of it but hid it in the outlet in his bedroom, which we saw him go back to get the first episode this season.
The one question I have is did the house looked burned when Walt went back to it the first episode this season?
Jesse is no longer is possession of the poison cigs. Last season him and Walt 'looked' for them and Walt found it in the rumba. Walt said he was gonna get rid of it but hid it in the outlet in his bedroom, which we saw him go back to get the first episode this season.
The one question I have is did the house looked burned when Walt went back to it the first episode this season?
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I don't think it was. Vandalized and basically condemned or shut down by the dea, yeah, but I don't think it was burned. Walt is on his way home right now. Jesse vs Walt next episode maybe?
Edit to add: just went back and watched the beginning of that first episode. Nothing that leads you to believe its been torched. Furniture and carpet removed. But no soot or water damage
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Close. Walt flushed the fake salt vial that Jesse found in the Roomba. The ricin hidden behind outlet was the vial that Walt took to his meeting with Lydia.
I only wanted to clarify because the vial hidden at the house is indeed ricin and not harmless salt, as far as we know at this point.
yeah the house wasn't burned. i wonder what will stop jesse?
great episode though, and next week will be even crazier. i'm gonna be so sad to see this show go.
great episode though, and next week will be even crazier. i'm gonna be so sad to see this show go.
Good point, but...
...I think the whole reason for Walt even mentioning that was to let Hank know that he benefitted from drug money, just like Walt and Skyler have.
They could come up with reasons for him not having money and needing Walt to pay for his operations. When the DEA saw that Hank benefitted from drug money, he'd have some splainin' to do.
...I think the whole reason for Walt even mentioning that was to let Hank know that he benefitted from drug money, just like Walt and Skyler have.
They could come up with reasons for him not having money and needing Walt to pay for his operations. When the DEA saw that Hank benefitted from drug money, he'd have some splainin' to do.
Yeah, I went back and watched the opening scene for this season.........the house doesn't look torched to me either. The carpet is gone but other than that.......no sign of a large fire. Walt and Jesse are about to have another confrontation.
Just a theory...
but Hank didn't (or shouldn't) have that kinda money on his salary (at that time) and insurance wasn't gonna pay for it so the fake website makes it look like strangers made donations to help pay his bills. And if anybody looked into his finances, everything looks legit on his end.
but Hank didn't (or shouldn't) have that kinda money on his salary (at that time) and insurance wasn't gonna pay for it so the fake website makes it look like strangers made donations to help pay his bills. And if anybody looked into his finances, everything looks legit on his end.
maybe a DEA agent dropping $177K out of pocket on surgery/rehab would be a red flag, so he had his brother-in-law pay it with his "gambling winnings".
there isn't enough evidence to nail hank as an accessory or accomplice though. but the ensuing investigation/possible trial would definitely be a huge pain in the *** for hank and cost him his job.
For anyne with questions on the Jesse/Ricin question
Posted elsewhere.
1)In "End Times," to get Jesse back on his side in the war against Gus, Walt arranges for Huell to steal the cigarette pack with the ricin cigarette out of Jesse's pocket and replace it with a different pack. Saul calls Jesse to his office on shaky reasons, and Huell pats him down in a way that gets Jesse's attention. Walt doesn't use the ricin to poison Brock, but rather a lily of the valley plant that will have a similar but less dangerous effect on the boy.
2)When Jesse hears that Brock has been poisoned, he realizes that the ricin cigarette is missing, then (correctly) puts two and two together that Huell stole it, on Walt's orders. He storms into Walt's house and threatens to kill him for poisoning Brock; Walt convinces Jesse that it was Gus, not him, who wanted to hurt the boy — specifically so Jesse would come to this conclusion and murder Walt for him — and that Tyrus must have lifted the cigarettes from Jesse's locker at the Super Lab. Jesse accepts that Mr. White would never hurt a child, whereas Gus has a history of hurting children, and lets go of the theory about Huell.
3)Doctors later figure out that Brock was poisoned by a lily of the valley, not ricin, making Jesse doubt Walt's theory about Gus manipulating Jesse into shooting Walt, and leaving him to wonder what really happened to the ricin cigarette. Walt stages a phony search of Jesse's house and plants a fake cigarette (containing salt, not ricin) inside Jesse's Roomba. None of this sits well with Jesse, but he once again believes Mr. White.
4)Over the course of season 5, starting around the murder of Drew Sharp, Jesse has begun to realize that he shouldn't believe anything Walt says. Walt claims to be broken up over Drew's death, then whistles while he works. Walt claims that Mike left town alive, when Jesse knows that Walt would've never taken out Mike's guys unless Mike was dead. Walt gives Jesse a whole song and dance about how leaving town will be good for Jesse, when Jesse knows that it will be even better for Walt.
5)Having been primed to disbelieve any word out of Walt's mouth, Jesse goes to Saul's office, lights up a joint and gets scolded by Saul, who knows his relocation expert won't pick up anyone who's high. Saul orders Huell to again pick Jesse's pocket to get rid of the marijuana.
6)At the pick-up spot, a nervous Jesse reaches for his pot, and can't find it. He frantically checks all his pockets, but all he finds is a cigarette pack. Staring at the cigarette pack, and realizing Huell dipped into his pocket without him noticing, Jesse realizes that his first suspicions about the ricin cigarette were correct, and that Mr. White was manipulating him into turning against Gus, endangering Brock's life in the process.
That the ricin wasn't actually used on Brock is beside the point. Jesse knew from the beginning that Huell had picked his pocket, and that he must have done it on Mr. White's orders. He has been thinking about this often in the months since it happened — far more often and more intensely than those of us watching the show have, and in a more compressed time period. When he realizes Huell picked his pocket, and stares at another crumpled cigarette pack, everything clicks into place about the events of "End Times" — including how convenient it was that this terrible thing happened to Brock, which turned Jesse back into Walt's ally, at the exact moment Walt needed an ally against Gus — and he goes on the warpath against Saul, Huell and that ******* Mr. White.
You may disagree with whether Jesse would have put all the pieces together like that, but that's what happened.
Posted elsewhere.
1)In "End Times," to get Jesse back on his side in the war against Gus, Walt arranges for Huell to steal the cigarette pack with the ricin cigarette out of Jesse's pocket and replace it with a different pack. Saul calls Jesse to his office on shaky reasons, and Huell pats him down in a way that gets Jesse's attention. Walt doesn't use the ricin to poison Brock, but rather a lily of the valley plant that will have a similar but less dangerous effect on the boy.
2)When Jesse hears that Brock has been poisoned, he realizes that the ricin cigarette is missing, then (correctly) puts two and two together that Huell stole it, on Walt's orders. He storms into Walt's house and threatens to kill him for poisoning Brock; Walt convinces Jesse that it was Gus, not him, who wanted to hurt the boy — specifically so Jesse would come to this conclusion and murder Walt for him — and that Tyrus must have lifted the cigarettes from Jesse's locker at the Super Lab. Jesse accepts that Mr. White would never hurt a child, whereas Gus has a history of hurting children, and lets go of the theory about Huell.
3)Doctors later figure out that Brock was poisoned by a lily of the valley, not ricin, making Jesse doubt Walt's theory about Gus manipulating Jesse into shooting Walt, and leaving him to wonder what really happened to the ricin cigarette. Walt stages a phony search of Jesse's house and plants a fake cigarette (containing salt, not ricin) inside Jesse's Roomba. None of this sits well with Jesse, but he once again believes Mr. White.
4)Over the course of season 5, starting around the murder of Drew Sharp, Jesse has begun to realize that he shouldn't believe anything Walt says. Walt claims to be broken up over Drew's death, then whistles while he works. Walt claims that Mike left town alive, when Jesse knows that Walt would've never taken out Mike's guys unless Mike was dead. Walt gives Jesse a whole song and dance about how leaving town will be good for Jesse, when Jesse knows that it will be even better for Walt.
5)Having been primed to disbelieve any word out of Walt's mouth, Jesse goes to Saul's office, lights up a joint and gets scolded by Saul, who knows his relocation expert won't pick up anyone who's high. Saul orders Huell to again pick Jesse's pocket to get rid of the marijuana.
6)At the pick-up spot, a nervous Jesse reaches for his pot, and can't find it. He frantically checks all his pockets, but all he finds is a cigarette pack. Staring at the cigarette pack, and realizing Huell dipped into his pocket without him noticing, Jesse realizes that his first suspicions about the ricin cigarette were correct, and that Mr. White was manipulating him into turning against Gus, endangering Brock's life in the process.
That the ricin wasn't actually used on Brock is beside the point. Jesse knew from the beginning that Huell had picked his pocket, and that he must have done it on Mr. White's orders. He has been thinking about this often in the months since it happened — far more often and more intensely than those of us watching the show have, and in a more compressed time period. When he realizes Huell picked his pocket, and stares at another crumpled cigarette pack, everything clicks into place about the events of "End Times" — including how convenient it was that this terrible thing happened to Brock, which turned Jesse back into Walt's ally, at the exact moment Walt needed an ally against Gus — and he goes on the warpath against Saul, Huell and that ******* Mr. White.
You may disagree with whether Jesse would have put all the pieces together like that, but that's what happened.
His job is already over without Walt's confession. His predecessor was canned because of his relationship with Gus. Hank knows he's about to get the same trearment. He just wanted to be able to go out with the proof needed to convict Walt. This is now more about evading prosecution and jail time moreso than losing his job/career.
I agree with this too. It's either got to be this one or the next in my opinion because I'm thinking the entire last episode with be m60 Walt going after Lydia's crew. I also expect hank and Walt's family to be killed.
I was amazed that Hank didn't throw a chair thru the TV. That scene had me howling because Walt is the man. You can't slip one by him. Very calculating and smart. As for Jesse, I thought he was going to plug Saul, and glad that he didn't. I do see Jesse going down and big money will be on he'll probably die stepping in the line of fire from Todd and his new friends to save Walter. I'm thinking that Skyler is going to either commit suicide, like she tried before, or she'll just plea bargain with Hank. Lots of twists that can come out of this. As for Walt and the gun, it's got to be him going after Todd, Lydia, and those other guys so that tells me that they have killed somebody close to cause Walt to grab some heat to even the score.