OT: Why is USM so poor?

WayboDawg

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Bored on a Saturday night, so I figured I would ask the Pack a random question.

I graduated from Mississippi State, but grew up in Waynesboro and spent plenty of time around Hattiesburg and Southern Miss fans. Southern Miss people are always talking about how their university never has any money, and can't afford a pot to pee in. Why is that? MSU and Ole Miss are certainly not rich like say Vanderbilt or Duke, but both have nice campuses and usually try to do things in a high quality manner when funds aren't tight. Just as an example: I drove by the campus of USM the other day, and I could still see plenty of tornado damage to a good number of roofs of road facing buildings. Now I'm very thankful that no one was seriously hurt when that tornado hit, but I still don't understand why seemingly simple repairs are taking so long. That tornado happened over a year ago! Is there just no money to fix these things? That really looks bad, and I know if MSU had tornado damage, they would have those roofs fixed within a year's time. Especially if they were the first thing a prospective student saw when visiting. I know USM gets mostly Pell Grant students (which is a sure sign of a university low on funds), but Ole Miss and State probably get their fair share as well. The city of Hattiesburg, in my opinion, is much larger and prosperous than Starkville or Oxford, so I just cant understand why USM stays broke all the time.
 
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WayboDawg

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My thoughts:

MSU
Engineers
Architects
Veterinarians

Ole Miss
Doctors
Lawyers
Pharmacists

USM
Teachers
Nurses
Art/Music majors

Pretty easy to see who can plan to get bigger donations out of their alumni.
 

karlchilders.sixpack

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Buffet could build a building

I'm sure.

regardless of anything else that he might have done.

Plus, too many free spirits, attend USM. They really don't give a ****.
 
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rabiddawg

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They also just opened a CRNA program and have a prosperous Nurse Practioner program. The problem with USM grads that make a lot of money is none of them give a **** about sports. I know several USM grads that have masters and PhD's and none of them give two ***** about football or any other sport. Nor do they give a **** about the school. USM does not do anything to foster the level of loyalty that State and OM do. Hell the people that do like sports that attend USM are LSU or Bama
Fans.
 

WayboDawg

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They also just opened a CRNA program and have a prosperous Nurse Practioner program. The problem with USM grads that make a lot of money is none of them give a **** about sports. I know several USM grads that have masters and PhD's and none of them give two ***** about football or any other sport. Nor do they give a **** about the school. USM does not do anything to foster the level of loyalty that State and OM do. Hell the people that do like sports that attend USM are LSU or Bama
Fans.

Nurse Practitioners make some good money (between 60-80,000 yearly), but CRNA's don't. I think a CRNA around these parts makes roughly 14-15 bucks an hour. They basically do all the stuff that the LPNs and RNs don't want to do e.g. wiping behinds and changing dirty sheets.
 

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You're thinking of CNAs

Nurse Practitioners make some good money (between 60-80,000 yearly), but CRNA's don't. I think a CRNA around these parts makes roughly 14-15 bucks an hour. They basically do all the stuff that the LPNs and RNs don't want to do e.g. wiping behinds and changing dirty sheets.

Those are nurse assistants. CRNAs are nurse anesthetists and they make anywhere from $130-150K in MS.
 

WayboDawg

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My bad. I was thinking Certified Nurses Assistant. Should have been pretty obvious that you don't need to go four years to be a CNA. Yeah the CRNA's clean up pretty good too. Dang, why don't these folks make some donations to USM or something?
 
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I was on the USM campus at a job fair two weeks ago, I saw a lot of students in MSU, UM, UAT, LSU, etc gear. Plus a lot these graduates are female, the money in the family probably goes to where the husband has an interest.
 

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I was on the USM campus at a job fair two weeks ago, I saw a lot of students in MSU, UM, UAT, LSU, etc gear. Plus a lot these graduates are female, the money in the family probably goes to where the husband has an interest.

Bingo. I've got a lot of friends who dated USM women who wanted to be nurses and they were always in Starkville wearing maroon and going to the games.

All the guys are fans of USM when it's convenient (World Series) and get into games by sneaking into the student section by flashing a credit card or something (you just have to show a student ID to get into their student section... And in high school it wasn't uncommon for us to sneak in by using any sort of card in our wallets). Otherwise they'll tell you their dad went to LSU and they've always been fans.

One of MSU's biggest boosters sent his son to USM because he was such a 17 up, he didn't want him to embarrass his last name. Needless to say that kid is a State fan. At every bowl or big game.

Just an afterthought.
 
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WayboDawg

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I wonder if Southern were offer more majors that males typically gravitated towards, if it would increase the male population at USM? Maybe they could start their own engineering or law school to bump up the male population. Another problem is that most of the majors that Southern offers are very easily duplicated elsewhere and have a low cost of entry: Business, Accounting, Nursing, Arts, Teaching. Seems like they need more specialized degrees such as the Polymer Science program they have to get their name out more. Their academic offerings are just so bleh versus MSU, UM, LSU, or Bama.
 

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Southern Miss already has (if I recall the name correctly) a Construction Engineering Technology (?) program and pretty good chemistry and computer science programs as well.

I think chasing the male student is more of a pipe dream and not necessarily a realistic goal for universities today though as women are the majority of college students nationwide. MSU is a bit of an outlier in that regard thanks in part to its strong sciences, engineering, and agricultural programs.

That said, USM historically has been geared more towards educating teachers and counselors-- it was established as Mississippi Normal College after all-- and it attracted people such as my grandfather who went to USM to be a teacher.

The IHL won't approve another law school as they have been working towards non-duplication of professional grad degrees. USM also has a good music program. Don't discount the nursing program at USM, as that's been another one of their outstanding departments.
 

rabiddawg

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Interestingly enough all of my kid's teachers at NWR, including the Miskelly's daughter, are State grads.
 

WayboDawg

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Actually some of my favorite teachers in high school were MSU grads. They just seemed happier and less mean for some reason...Lol! I'm not lying! It's just that you don't see nearly as many down this way because USM is so close.
 

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Southern Miss already has (if I recall the name correctly) a Construction Engineering Technology (?) program and pretty good chemistry and computer science programs as well.

also has a school of Architecture (non-accredited) ... with accreditation through another school (maybe MSU) ........ also wouldn't surprise me if they had a larger alumnus .... the folks (grads) just aren't as passionate when it comes to sports
 

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Not a school but a major - Architectural Engineering Technology - which is under its School of Construction. I've always wondered about that major - I don't know anyone who's gone through it at USM but enough people have had to for it to be one.
 

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I know it is generalizing so forgive me but it seemed back in my day that most

of the folks headed to USM were not your top students academically, socially, or leadership wise. USM tended to be the place the folks that moved to a different drummer ended up for whatever reason. As others have posted I think these personality types don't really care too much about the University after they leave it. I know some very successful and high character USM grads so I apologize for the stereotype.
 

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Back in the dark ages (1970's) when I went to State, before Pell grants, student loans and widely available financial aid, tuition and fees at USM were about 25-30% cheaper than State or Ole Miss. This drew a lot of students who may have wanted to go elsewhere but couldn't afford it.

Plus it had the reputation as the "hippy" school.
 

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People from my high school who chose to be buzzards (only a few) were odd balls who didn't fit in. It seemed they went there to get away but had to stay in state for financial reasons. It's not great academically and it's not in the SEC with those perks either. Also, Hattiesburg isn't a typical "college town". I can fathom why one would go there.
 

FISHDAWG

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. It's not great academically and it's not in the SEC with those perks either. Also, Hattiesburg isn't a typical "college town". I can fathom why one would go there.

you know very little about what you're talking about ... a lot of people dont give one rats *** about the SEC ... and USM enjoys a higher status in the education community than a lot of schools in the Southeast from an educators perspective
 

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