According to Mark Schlabach's Top 25, five of our seven home games next year are against 5 of the top 13 teams in the country. That's absolutely brutal.</p>
Our home schedule next year is kinda hard.
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According to Mark Schlabach's Top 25, five of our seven home games next year are against 5 of the top 13 teams in the country. That's absolutely brutal.</p>
According to Mark Schlabach's Top 25, five of our seven home games next year are against 5 of the top 13 teams in the country. That's absolutely brutal.</p>
Ouch. So that means you're probably going to have to do some damage on the road next year to have a good year.
Fortunately, you do get UK, Vandy, Auburn, and MTSU all on the road.
Fortunately, you do get UK, Vandy, Auburn, and MTSU all on the road.
#1: In 2008 we were supposed to have an easy home schedule; we didn't do **** with it (except beat Arkansas...for what that was worth).
#2: You would rather play the badass teams @home where you at least have a chance.
#2: You would rather play the badass teams @home where you at least have a chance.
"#2: You would rather play the badass teams @home where you at least have a chance."
In a year when you are likely going to struggle and you are just looking to get wins, you want to play the Vandys and Kentucky's at home. You are going to lose to Florida and Bama in all likelihood no matter where you play them.
In a year when you are likely going to struggle and you are just looking to get wins, you want to play the Vandys and Kentucky's at home. You are going to lose to Florida and Bama in all likelihood no matter where you play them.
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Where did you draw that astounding conclusion? I bet you also noticed that if we score more points than our opponent we will win the game.RebelBruiser said:
This just happened & MSU went 1-1 in these two games.
It's hard to make an argument it's a plus to play Vandy & UK @ home every year when you do play them @ home & go 1-1 against them.
And you are probably the only person on this board who would just assume play LSU & Bama away as @ home.
I think 99.9% of us would rather play Bama & LSU @ home rather than have to play @LSU & @Bama.
Archive & boom that.
No it isn't. Just because A happened and B happened, doesn't mean A caused B.RonnyAtmosphere said:
We would've been even worse off if the SEC schedule was flipped. We would've lost to Arky and Vandy at their places and lost to Bama, OM, LSU, and Tennessee regardless.
(Obviously, I don't know these things for a fact, but I think they are all very probable)
Also, of course we would rather play Bama and LSU at home. If given the choice, we would rather never leave home, but our best chance at 6 wins next year would be for those games to be on the road and the toss-up games to be at home.
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especially to a young energetic coach. But I do agree with you to an extent. That said, I don't think we will be as horrible as some of these other guys on the board think either.
8Dog said above that it really doesn't matter where we play Florida or Bama, because we are going to lose those games anyway.
And he got boomed & archived for saying it.
Of course, the fact MSU has beaten both Florida & Bama the last time they play in Starkville...never let reality get in the way of a good boom & archive.
8dog is saying - in a year we are down and we are more than likely going to lose to the LSU and Bama's of the world no matter where we play them- it's better to play the toss-up games such as Kentucky and Vandy at home. Reason being - it gives you a much better chance of winning.
If I had to guess, your shoes are velcro.
If I had to guess, your shoes are velcro.
...You can't claim playing Vandy & UK @ home every year is the way to go when that whole theory was shot to hell this past season.
& you can't claim you are going to get beat by UF & Bama no matter where you play them when the last time UF & Bama played in Starkville, they lost.
You have every right to take up for one of your buddies when he makes posts that don't make any sense.
But please stop & ponder what they are saying before you do it.
& you can't claim you are going to get beat by UF & Bama no matter where you play them when the last time UF & Bama played in Starkville, they lost.
You have every right to take up for one of your buddies when he makes posts that don't make any sense.
But please stop & ponder what they are saying before you do it.
1) You can't possibly be so dumb to not understand the point that 8dog was making. He was operating under the assumption that we have to play some games on the road because, you know, we do. If we have to play 4 road SEC games, they might as well be games we probably wouldn't win at home anyway.RonnyAtmosphere said:
2) I don't think Zook's last team or the '07 Bama team were of the caliber that those 2 teams will be next year.
So, when we go 4-8 this year, we will then have shot your theory to hell. So, then we won't be able to ever go to a bowl game with a tough home schedule, and we won't ever be able to go to a bowl game with an easy home schedule. ****, I guess we should stop playing football.RonnyAtmosphere said:
The world according to Ronny: if A happens, then B happens, A caused B. If you disagree, you make no sense or you're just taking up for your friends.
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Ronny's is backed up with facts.
I'm not saying that either of you are theoretically correct. But you and the ones who agree with you (dawgstudent, 8dog) are buying into the assumptions that the big boys will be stout no matter what and we will suck just because we will.
Alot of people thought that about LSU and Auburn last year. They made assumptions. Georgia as well. They also assumed Ole Miss would suck. Things change. Kentucky may not be as bad as you think.
But then again, the only way to settle this is to make assumptions. Which assumptions are correct? Yours maybe, but you can't prove Ronny wrong with assumptions.
So you're all stupid.
I'm not saying that either of you are theoretically correct. But you and the ones who agree with you (dawgstudent, 8dog) are buying into the assumptions that the big boys will be stout no matter what and we will suck just because we will.
Alot of people thought that about LSU and Auburn last year. They made assumptions. Georgia as well. They also assumed Ole Miss would suck. Things change. Kentucky may not be as bad as you think.
But then again, the only way to settle this is to make assumptions. Which assumptions are correct? Yours maybe, but you can't prove Ronny wrong with assumptions.
So you're all stupid.
If we got 3-1 in the non conference next year, we need to win 3 conference games to get to a bowl.
You would rather play the home schedule we have, potentially 4 top 15 teams, in trying to get those 3 as opposed to playing Vandy, Kentucky, Arkansas and Auburn at home.
You are invited to my poker game.
You would rather play the home schedule we have, potentially 4 top 15 teams, in trying to get those 3 as opposed to playing Vandy, Kentucky, Arkansas and Auburn at home.
You are invited to my poker game.
What facts are backing up his side?
The fact that we went 4-8 last year with an easy home schedule?
That isn't a fact that proves that an easy home schedule isn't the best way for a mediocre team to achieve bowl eligibility. All it proves is that an easy home schedule doesn't guarantee a bowl game, which no one has said.
The fact that we went 4-8 last year with an easy home schedule?
That isn't a fact that proves that an easy home schedule isn't the best way for a mediocre team to achieve bowl eligibility. All it proves is that an easy home schedule doesn't guarantee a bowl game, which no one has said.
...Vandy and UK at home at least a 60% chance of winning. Vandy and UK on the road, no better than a 40% chance of winning.
Alabama and LSU at home, no better than a 30% chance of winning. Bama and LSU on the road, no better than a 10-15% chance of winning.
So of those four games, in the first scenario, you have a greater than not chance of winning at least two. In the second scenario (next year), you have a very good chance of losing all four.
Alabama and LSU at home, no better than a 30% chance of winning. Bama and LSU on the road, no better than a 10-15% chance of winning.
So of those four games, in the first scenario, you have a greater than not chance of winning at least two. In the second scenario (next year), you have a very good chance of losing all four.
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Arkansas could be much improved, so could Kentucky. Florida could have a hangover year, like LSU. What if Tebow gets injured? Saban had an average year in '02 after winning the SEC in '01.
Like I said, I think you all are stupid for arguing. My post was trying to prove that I was somewhere in the middle. Bottom line is, you don't know who's going to be the good teams, so what does the schedule matter. But I also don't think we're a bottom feeder.
Like I said, I think you all are stupid for arguing. My post was trying to prove that I was somewhere in the middle. Bottom line is, you don't know who's going to be the good teams, so what does the schedule matter. But I also don't think we're a bottom feeder.
an assumption upon which both of our arguments is based is that there is a group of home opponents that is not as good as the other group.
If Arkansas, Vandy, Kentucky, and Auburn end up being the four best teams in the conf and LSU, Bama, OM, and Florida are the four worst, then we have a great home schedule.
In a year like next year, I want to play the 4 worst SEC opponents on our schedule--whoever they are.
If Arkansas, Vandy, Kentucky, and Auburn end up being the four best teams in the conf and LSU, Bama, OM, and Florida are the four worst, then we have a great home schedule.
In a year like next year, I want to play the 4 worst SEC opponents on our schedule--whoever they are.
My God, you're right. We are such idiots for arguing a sports-related topic on a sports board.
I will now spend my time arguing with people about arguing about sports on a sports message board. I have joined the ranks of the righteous.
I will now spend my time arguing with people about arguing about sports on a sports message board. I have joined the ranks of the righteous.
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and I knew for a fact that that group of home games was the worst teams in the SEC then yeah I'd probably want some guaranteed wins. I get that part.
My side is that it's not a realistic argument. You can't make assumptions like that in football, or sports in general. But for offseason message boarding, yeah you're right. I hope our players think they can beat whoever they play. I honestly don't think Croom instilled that confidence, so it's taking me a while to get out of that line of thinking. but I'm trying hard.
My side is that it's not a realistic argument. You can't make assumptions like that in football, or sports in general. But for offseason message boarding, yeah you're right. I hope our players think they can beat whoever they play. I honestly don't think Croom instilled that confidence, so it's taking me a while to get out of that line of thinking. but I'm trying hard.
Ronny would rather play:
LSU, FL, Bama, UGA at home, and UPIG, Vandy, UK, AU on the road?
That gives you a good chance to get to 6 wins?
I think Ronny is pulling everyone's chains. This has to be sarcasm. No one logically thinks this is a good idea.
Next thing you know, he will be saying that a 245 lb HB is a perfect fit for the spread offense.
LSU, FL, Bama, UGA at home, and UPIG, Vandy, UK, AU on the road?
That gives you a good chance to get to 6 wins?
I think Ronny is pulling everyone's chains. This has to be sarcasm. No one logically thinks this is a good idea.
Next thing you know, he will be saying that a 245 lb HB is a perfect fit for the spread offense.
I'm not sure if you misunderstood my post, or if you replied to the wrong post, but I also agree with 8dog.
And I bet Mullen would say that it doesn't matter to him or his players because they expect to win every game they play, regardless of opponent or location.
And I bet Mullen would say that it doesn't matter to him or his players because they expect to win every game they play, regardless of opponent or location.
Yes, I would rather play Bama, LSU & UF at home. Just like Mullen would rather play LSU, Bama & UF at home. Just like every other coach with any common sense would.
IIf I had to choose between playing Kentucky @ home or LSU @ home, I would choose LSU every time. You take the powerhouse LSU @ home & go on the road to play middle tier Kentucky. This is not rocket science. Just like Mullen, Sherrill, Spurrier & Nutt would. Just like every other head coach in college football would.
Lastly, you've already been nailed many times over on your Dixon stupidity.
You've made your case that a RB with great hands & with a 1,000 yd. season under his belt will be benched by Mullen before the 2009 season is over.
Of course, your Dixon case (I assume like most of your real life lawyer cases) was summarily tossed in the wastebasket.</p>
IIf I had to choose between playing Kentucky @ home or LSU @ home, I would choose LSU every time. You take the powerhouse LSU @ home & go on the road to play middle tier Kentucky. This is not rocket science. Just like Mullen, Sherrill, Spurrier & Nutt would. Just like every other head coach in college football would.
Lastly, you've already been nailed many times over on your Dixon stupidity.
You've made your case that a RB with great hands & with a 1,000 yd. season under his belt will be benched by Mullen before the 2009 season is over.
Of course, your Dixon case (I assume like most of your real life lawyer cases) was summarily tossed in the wastebasket.</p>
Tries to win as many games as possible.
Its remarkable how dumb this post is actually. It is so dumb that DS made a poll to show your stupidity.
How have I been nailed on my Dixon stupidity? He flourished when running behind a strong OL out of base formations in 2007. He has never ran the ball consistently out of a spread offense and I think he will struggle, you don't. You think Anthony Dixon is a great receiver out of the backfield, depsite the fact that he has a whopping 326 yards in receiving in 3 years at MSU.
There are so many posts in this thread that make you look retarded I really don't need to go any further.
Its remarkable how dumb this post is actually. It is so dumb that DS made a poll to show your stupidity.
How have I been nailed on my Dixon stupidity? He flourished when running behind a strong OL out of base formations in 2007. He has never ran the ball consistently out of a spread offense and I think he will struggle, you don't. You think Anthony Dixon is a great receiver out of the backfield, depsite the fact that he has a whopping 326 yards in receiving in 3 years at MSU.
There are so many posts in this thread that make you look retarded I really don't need to go any further.
...you just play one on the internet message boards.
Because there is no way in hell a real life lawyer could be as freaking stupid as you.
Please, I beg you to e-mail (or whatever venue of communucation you choose) Nutt & ask him, if forced to make a choice, would he play Bama @ home or Kentucky @ home.
The answer he will give you will settle this debate once and for all.
As for Dixon, your whole Dixon bashing shtick is just that...a Dixon bashing shtick.
The thought that an idiot like you knows how the 2009 season is going to play out for Anthony Dixon is as sad as it is laughable.
Because there is no way in hell a real life lawyer could be as freaking stupid as you.
Please, I beg you to e-mail (or whatever venue of communucation you choose) Nutt & ask him, if forced to make a choice, would he play Bama @ home or Kentucky @ home.
The answer he will give you will settle this debate once and for all.
As for Dixon, your whole Dixon bashing shtick is just that...a Dixon bashing shtick.
The thought that an idiot like you knows how the 2009 season is going to play out for Anthony Dixon is as sad as it is laughable.
If someone told you "Ronny, I'll give you $1 million if State wins 6 games next year. You can't change the non conf sched. but you can determine which 4 teams play in Starkville and which 4 State has to play on the road"
You would still choose to play the difficult teams at home?
You would still choose to play the difficult teams at home?
If you ask most people, most would say that Ole Miss should be good next year, most fans, including most MSU fans would say that next year will be a rebuilding year.
That is the crucial difference. One team expects to be good, One team hopes to go to a bowl. I want to play Bama at home, and I would rather play UK on the road next year only. Now if the following year, Ole Miss loses a ton of players and is predicted to go 6-6 at best, and Bama was preseason Top 5, i would want to play Bama on the road and UK at home.
You do understand the difference? Do I need to use pictures and maybe smaller words?
That is the crucial difference. One team expects to be good, One team hopes to go to a bowl. I want to play Bama at home, and I would rather play UK on the road next year only. Now if the following year, Ole Miss loses a ton of players and is predicted to go 6-6 at best, and Bama was preseason Top 5, i would want to play Bama on the road and UK at home.
You do understand the difference? Do I need to use pictures and maybe smaller words?
Is the question which is better to win exactly 6 games? Or which is better overall? Hopefully the goal of MSU and every other SEC team is to win more than 6 games. If they only want that many, then there is a bigger issue.</p>
I really don't care that some guy on a message board (myself included) thinks that this year will or won't be a rebuilding year. The fact is, noone knows what will happen and I'd personally rather play those teams at home and have a better chance to win. MSU beating Florida or Alabama next year would be a much greater impact than losing to Vandy or Kentucky would be a negative impact whether we make a bowl or not.</p>
I really don't care that some guy on a message board (myself included) thinks that this year will or won't be a rebuilding year. The fact is, noone knows what will happen and I'd personally rather play those teams at home and have a better chance to win. MSU beating Florida or Alabama next year would be a much greater impact than losing to Vandy or Kentucky would be a negative impact whether we make a bowl or not.</p>
I think he's looking at it as, "What is most likely to get us to a bowl game?"
That's how I'm looking at it because I think us making a bowl game of any kind would be a pretty big accomplishment this season. There are years I would agree with you where 6-6 isn't a high enough goal, but I think that's the best we can hope for this year.
You were correct earlier in saying that we are taking a pessimistic stance; it is definitely that. I just feel that with our schedule the way it is, we aren't favored as of right now in a single SEC game. Vandy is the only one I'm up in the air on. I think if you switched the home and road games, we become the favorite in 3, possibly all 4 home games. That would make a bowl game much more reachable.
That's how I'm looking at it because I think us making a bowl game of any kind would be a pretty big accomplishment this season. There are years I would agree with you where 6-6 isn't a high enough goal, but I think that's the best we can hope for this year.
You were correct earlier in saying that we are taking a pessimistic stance; it is definitely that. I just feel that with our schedule the way it is, we aren't favored as of right now in a single SEC game. Vandy is the only one I'm up in the air on. I think if you switched the home and road games, we become the favorite in 3, possibly all 4 home games. That would make a bowl game much more reachable.