so you're saying, another "like season" of 7-8 wins is reason to terminate Holgorsen? Because we are 7-4 now. If that's what you mean, you will never be happy with Wvu in the big 12. And we will likely go through coaches every 4 years if we start firing coaches for that. I think 7-9 wins is gonna be par for us in this conference, with occasional 10 win seasons.
Our loses have been to teams with a combined 40-7 record..
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Rutgers and UConn were each 2-9 the year Temple beat RR's WVU. The following year Rutgers was 1-11 and UConn was 6-6 and you are touting those as good teams Temple beat?
You whine about 1 loss to Kansas and talk about that program while ignoring between 2000-2010 the only BCS programs Temple beat were a 6-6 and 4-8 Syracuse, a 2-9 and 6-6 UConn, a 1-11, 2-9 and 3-8 Rutgers--and Rich Rodriguez's WVU.
Kansas beat Iowa State just last season blowing up the only win against WVU lie, and between that 2000-2010 stretch in addition to beating multiple BCS/P5 teams with losing records, KU also beat a7-5 Texas Tech, 7-5 and 8-5 Missouri, 8-4 Nebraska, 7-5 Iowa State, 7-6 K State, 7-6 A&M, 7-6 OK State, 11-3 Virginia Tech, 10-4 Missouri,and 7-6 Minnesota. They also went 3-4 in bowls including an Orange Bowl victory over the ACC champion during that stretch while Temple didn't play in one bowl, or probably have a winning record.
Talk about an agenda.
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All you did was complain about mediocrity when Stewart was coach. Holgorson's tenure Has been nothing more than mediocrity for the most part. The past doesn't matter its the present that does. The big 12 may be tougher than the big east but he has had 5 years to prepare wvu for conference play. The team has not beaten anyone of significance to this point. Tcu came from the mountain west and has been able to compete for a conference title the past 2 years. Baylor has competed for a conference championship the last 3 years. Both Tcu and Baylor have good coaches who are able to compete for conference championships with recruiting classes that are similar to what wvu gets. When Wvu was going to bcs bowls and beating the like of Georgia and Oklahoma, Baylor was losing to the likes of Uconn. Your not going to beat good teams with the Qb's that Holgorson is bringing into the program. Stop making excuses for mediocrity the past doesn't matter its what we have now that does and its mediocre
Its funny for some reason I don't remember our wins being discredited when Stewart was coach or Rich Rod or Nehlen. Seems like I remember during those times wins were wins no matter what teams WVU beat. But now with Dana every loss is a terrible loss and every win is a terrible win. If you personally don't like coach Holgorsen that's your right but he is WVU's coach and he has WVU in a position to finish 9-4. I think you should either support WVU and its current coach or find someone else like Pitt or Marshall to root for. When Dana Holgorsen is not getting the job done at WVU the powers that be will handle it. Going on constant rants and nitpicking success will not have an impact. Sorry if this is a shock to some of you.
holgorsen has not beaten anyone of significance? He has beaten Clemson in the orange bowl, highly ranked Texas, Oklahoma state, TCU, And Baylor. In fact, he has beaten one every year except this year. And this year isn't complete. Secondly, as explained over and over. It has taken Wvu longer to build like Tcu because Stewart left us 25-30 scholarship players down. This is the first year we were back to nearly full 85 capacity. Not to mention, Tcu didn't go through a coaching change like we did. Which takes time to implement a new coaches program.
He hasn't beaten anyone of significance this year where talking about now not then. The win against Clemson was then not now and it was with a previous coaches players. The year he beat TCU they where 4-8 which is not highly ranked. when he beat Texas they finished 9-4 not exactly a Texas team that was competing for a national championship. The year they beat 11th ranked okie state they where also clobbered by Kansas and Maryland. The only thing he has been consistent at is being inconsistent. talk about the scholarships all you want he has had 5 years to correct that. This team isn't significantly better than the 2012 Mounties. He has failed to bring in a division 1 QB all your doing is making excuses for mediocrity and that's what we have at this moment and that's are that matters in the grand scheme of things
the scholarship deficit was fact. Ignore it all you want. So let me get this straight, we may finish 9-4 in the big 12 and according to you its mediocrity? And he hasn't brought in a D1 qb?
Im not ignoring the scholarship deficit but the fact is we have played allot of close games which could have been won in his tenure. Most of the game where lost due to poor play calling and clock management which fall on the coach. we don't have a high caliber QB which falls on the coach. We are in year five of his tenure so the the scholarship deficit is not an excuse anymore. If we finish 9-4 i would feel better about the program if the bowl win is against a quality opponent. We could also finish at 7-6 would you be happy with that?
truthfully, everyone knew this was a transition year. We were replacing our starting qb, and 2 of our top WR. One of which was the #8 overall pick in the NFL. Expectations were low. So yes, 7-6 or 9-4 is a good year.
Looking in the mirror, if you don't like Holgs and you don't like his Win / Loss record and you don't like the Win / Loss record of our P5 opponents...................then you won't like the future for WV football in the Big 12 either. Me.............I'm happy with our very mediocre team, the coach and the Win / Loss record. Accept it.............or hitch your plow to a richer horse. Alabama maybe?
To word it differently, only one of the top four Big XII team losses was to a team not among them (Texas). WVU has no control of other team's overall records. To say they were disappointing because their P5 wins were against teams with a combined 17-42 record is ignorant. They were supposed to win those games and they did. You can not feel bad about that. Losing to them would be bad.
First u don't apologize for beating any p5 opponent. ESPN surprisingly has Wvu ranked 20 in their power index. Surprising because I figured they would have fudged the #'s and had us in the 30's or lower. With the schedule this team has played 20 seems right. I expected about 25. If holgorsen figures out the qb position soon he may become a dangerous coach to deal with in the big 12. Sure 4 losses suck in the big 12, but he has a good staff, is recruiting well and the team hasn't quit after a tough stretch and some tough injuries. The boys need to win at k state and beat a quality bowl opponent. And holgs needs to find the qb of the future if he isn't on the roster.
Well how many transition years is it gonna take? I wouldn't say going 7-6 2 years in a row shows much progress. Do you really think this team is gonna win anything significant with the current qb situation. Next year we will have allot of new starters on defense. Our offense returns quite a few players but it didn't look stellar against the top teams in the conference.
i told you, 7-9 wins per year is gonna be about par for WVU in the Big 12. Occasionally we might have a 10 win season. Once again, this is not the Big East anymore. This is the 2nd best conference in America behind the SEC. This team would be 10-11 wins in the big east this year. Secondly, your bitching because you feel our offense didn't light it up. Jesus, it's a new qb with new WR. They are young. You need to find a new team. You're unrealistic.
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But, we (WV fans) just wanna win. Some folks don't understand that 'we just wanna win' is what ALL teams fans are saying. Take a look around ..............and boy I know your scared. I like the idea of a Big W and a little w conclusion to sporting games. That way .............everyone is happy. Everybody get a w.
Some posters are like a broken record on this site. There isn't any comparison between the Big East and the Big 12. There isn't a lot of difference between Nehlen's winning percentage at WVU and Holgorsen's winning percentage at WVU even in a much stronger conference. And as far as bowl games are concerned, Nehlen went 15 years without a bowl win ( he was only here for 20 years).
There are certain fans that are going to dump on the head coach regardless of who it might be or what their record is or what schedule they play. Nehlen is only great now because he isn't the head coach, but when he was he got dumped on just as much as Holgorsen and probably by the same low information crowd. To imply that Nehlen didn't have any bad losses in his 20 years here is ridiculous.
Lyons will give Holgorsen a contract extension after the season (through 2020). I would prefer that he did it now because that would benefit recruiting and stop some of the poaching of our assistant coaches. WVU might not be able to knock off teams in the Top 15 on the road, but they are a competitive this year by any reasonable measurement - hats off to the coaching staff.
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If your standard is yearly 10 win seasons, you better handle disappointment well. We'll have some great stretches, no doubt.
If the B12 expands to 12 (or even 14), and the conference is separated into divisions, then I think you'd see a lot more "big" seasons. Right now, there's little to feast on. Almost every game is a tough win.
If the B12 expands to 12 (or even 14), and the conference is separated into divisions, then I think you'd see a lot more "big" seasons. Right now, there's little to feast on. Almost every game is a tough win.
Last year would have been an 8 win season if we didn't open up against Alabama, but I wouldn't trade a win over a cupcake for playing them. Those are the games WVU wants to be in, get exposure from, the players/recruits want to play in, ect.
Hopefully we are looking at an 8-9 win season this year, and as I said last year would easily been 8 wins and if Trickett doesn't get messed up - I think we win 10 last year. But that's sports.
Hopefully we are looking at an 8-9 win season this year, and as I said last year would easily been 8 wins and if Trickett doesn't get messed up - I think we win 10 last year. But that's sports.
After Auburn lost to LSU and Mississippi State recently (and could have lost to Jacksonville State), a very substantial Auburn alumnus said blatantly on the phone of the unanticipated start, “We just don’t understand. We have put tens of millions of dollars into that program which gives us great facilities. This (the game results) is unacceptable.”
http://onlineathens.com/sports/2015...ms-race-college-football-same-now-it-was-1927
Frankly ... I'm pretty well burned out hearing people say what is acceptable and unacceptable in college football. More and more schools are spending more and more money. But when it comes down to it there is still only one winner in a football game.
I can accept our football team finishing with a winning record and in the middle of the pack of P5 conference. I can do that and still root for, hope for, better than that. But I'm not naive. Everybody is spending megabucks. And if we are slightly above average while we keep trying to reach higher .... I can accept that.
http://onlineathens.com/sports/2015...ms-race-college-football-same-now-it-was-1927
Frankly ... I'm pretty well burned out hearing people say what is acceptable and unacceptable in college football. More and more schools are spending more and more money. But when it comes down to it there is still only one winner in a football game.
I can accept our football team finishing with a winning record and in the middle of the pack of P5 conference. I can do that and still root for, hope for, better than that. But I'm not naive. Everybody is spending megabucks. And if we are slightly above average while we keep trying to reach higher .... I can accept that.
You have nothing of substance to state that this is easily the 2nd best conference in america. Every fan in the power 5 will make that argument. Secondly you say this was a transition year well look at what won't be coming back next season you can make the same case continuously year after year. TCU lost allot of players on defense from last years team and they still competed for a conference championship up until 2 weeks ago
bodhi.....when did stewart win eight games in a season?.....i was not a stewart honk or anything, but he won nine games each season if i remember correctly.....maybe you just lost count......
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you ever notice how some people who frequently throw out epithets such as "mouth breather" often, you know, act like one with such silly comparisons.....someone who tries to portray a virtual 7-6 record by holgs' as a sign of unarguable success?......
i don't recall him saying holgs should be fired this year.....this current winning streak negated that.....if you read it, he says holgs should produce next year better than the 7 wins out of 13 games stat you love to trumpet.....i would submit the majority of wvu fans agree.....but for now, let's get past kansas state, something holgs has not accomplished thus far in his remarkable career at wvu to this point.....remarkable, at least, to hear you describe it ad nauseum and then call people who have differing opinions ill-informed bumpkins......punish is an apt name for year.....based on your logic, you should quit calling people who challenge you "mouth breathers".....your posts often fit you own description.....the only reason you're not a mouth breather is because one imagines it would be hard to breathe through your mouth with holgs' di*k in it......
youre just another mouth breathing loser who can't stand holgorsens success this year. Your agenda is his termination and now you're butt hurt because it's not happening. You're no fan of Wvu. Likely just another stewbird still sobbing like a knob gobbler over his termination.
all you ever do is insult people with different opinions then yourself. I really don't know what success you are talking about since Holgorson has pretty much had the same sort of season that Nehlen typically had and you have no problem criticizing that. I would also expect better play out of the offense since he is supposed to be a so called offense genius is a league with poor defensive play. I would expect more courtesy from someone who supposedly works in an industry with high integrity
if you read above, that buffoon started slinging insults because he didn't like the facts.
And once again, this is NOT the big east. 7 wins in the big 12 is different than Nehlens 7 wins in the big east.
Speaking of the "so called offensive genius". You realize Holgorsen has the top 2 offensive seasons in the history of WVU football. Seems he fits the label.
It maybe the big 12 but we haven't beaten any one of significance. Only 1 win against a team with a winning record. A win over arguably the worst team in division 1 football. No different than what we saw in previous coaching regimes
Why can't people just stop with the agenda crap? Bunch of spoiled babies... Ye of short memories obviously do not remember the horrible years under Nehlen...years with no bowl games at all. Every coach goes through up and down years with this program. Believe it or not we are not a Mecca for college football. Very rarely do you have kids dream of playing for WVU...
Teams like Texas, Ohio State, Alabama...and many others get to choose who they want to play for them.
Our best teams always have been and always will be the teams put together with kids who want to be Mountaineers from their first visit. Those teams are hard to come by.
Nehlen lost to a horrible Pitt team, Navy, ECU and several unranked teams in his days. Rod lost to a horrible syracuse team, Rutgers and Temple and several unranked teams. Stew lost to ECU and a horrible colorado team, Uconn and other unranked teams.
Dana...obviously has lost to unranked and bad teams.
This year he has not...he has beaten all who are ranked under WVU...and lost to those who are ranked higher. That is the way it goes.
Yes it is good to want more...it is great going into games wanting for the upset. Just be real and be happy we have it way better than so many other schools. No one thought we would we would be 12-0 this year. We are were we are supposed to be at this point.
Get a life babies!
Teams like Texas, Ohio State, Alabama...and many others get to choose who they want to play for them.
Our best teams always have been and always will be the teams put together with kids who want to be Mountaineers from their first visit. Those teams are hard to come by.
Nehlen lost to a horrible Pitt team, Navy, ECU and several unranked teams in his days. Rod lost to a horrible syracuse team, Rutgers and Temple and several unranked teams. Stew lost to ECU and a horrible colorado team, Uconn and other unranked teams.
Dana...obviously has lost to unranked and bad teams.
This year he has not...he has beaten all who are ranked under WVU...and lost to those who are ranked higher. That is the way it goes.
Yes it is good to want more...it is great going into games wanting for the upset. Just be real and be happy we have it way better than so many other schools. No one thought we would we would be 12-0 this year. We are were we are supposed to be at this point.
Get a life babies!
I like the way this feller talks! Let's understand that the only fans that are happy right now belong to the Clemson Tigers. Why? Because their fans have all Wins! Now, let them lose to North Carolina and they will be ready to fire the prima donna known as Dabo. Hail, even Alabama fans ain't happy since they have a loss.
You can spin the numbers to make them look better but we have to avoid being upset but the lowest rated teams in the conference and win a couple that we shouldn't. Is that too much to ask?
I don't mind Holgs....But this year we have lost to the good teams and beat the not so good teams....A sure sign that we are average/middle of the road......I doubt that most fans wouldn't like just a little bit better.....We haven't had a bad season, just an average one.....
depends on how you look at it. Texas Tech would likely run the table in the big east/AAC
that's not true.....i insult punish eer because he cops a tude with anyone who critiques holgs' record.....nehlen's record was better than holgs by far.....i thought it was time for nehlen to go when he did, but holgs' has one, often two games more a year than nehlen to get 7 wins.....and nehlen's win percentage was way better.....one year, in 1985, nehlen went 7-3-1 and didn't even go to a bowl because there were fewer bowls.....nehlen's average record was about 7-4.....jolgs is 7-6......
i guess you are saying wvu .... the 22nd leading winner in college football history..... is supposed to be barely over .500......