Our NIL donors did their part. Lebby let them down.

[QuaoarsKing]

The pro-Lebby crowd will tell you that we're just "poor ol' Mississippi State" and we are never going to be able to compete with the big boys. That we should be happy just to keep it close with Florida and Texas because we are capable or deserving of beating them.

In the real world, we had the roster and the talent to beat both of them, and it was Lebby who stopped it. A "replacement level" coach wins both of those games. I've already identified 16 successful head coaches who would probably take our job, so the "poor ol' Mississippi State can never expect to hire a better coach than Lebby" argument is out the window.

With a competent "replacement level" coach we are 6-2 and looking at a ranked finish. With a good coach (like one that we'll be able to hire in a few weeks) we could be 7-1, and we'd right there with our former peers Ole Miss and Vanderbilt and talking about the playoffs.

Don't let the #NoWeCan't Lebby fanboys gaslight you into thinking we can't do better than a coach who is 2 wins below the level of our talent.

 

[85Bears]

Pre-requisite has to be “has been a HC before and overseen the running of an entire program, has experience”. naked drive through man, and Lebby , don’t meet that criteria. SEC is not the place for training wheels.

 

[Bulldog from Birth]

The scary part is this. I don’t know these donors. But I can’t imagine why anyone would dig deep and buy another portal roster like this after another 0 for 8 campaign. I suspect our talent level next year will look a lot closer to 2024 than 2025. Lebby better be real skilled at identifying SEC Caliber talent that nobody else in the SEC or Big10 sees.

If the donors aren’t on board with giving Lebby big funds again in 2026 to keep our top guys and build a new roster, then we ought to just move on now rather than after we go 0-8 again next year.

 

[gtowndawg]

Here, here. Well said.

 

[Seinfeld]

A&M is what it is, but when you look at those other 3 SEC games...

UT - Up 7 at home with 8 min left
UF - Down 2, in field goal range, 0:29 left
Texas - Up 17 at home, UT has it 4th and long, 11 min left

ESPN had our winning chances at 98.4% just for last night's game. If they had a computer that could come up with the combined odds of losing ALL THREE of them, it would have to be 0.0001%. And yet, here we are Lebby

 

[Indndawg]

Yep what if those deep-pocket cigar boys say no mo $ til this clown with neck hair is vamoose? After a ***** slap in the EB, I know of few fans that are NOT gonna buy in for next season

 

[PBRME]

Our lack of oline and dline recruiting is showing.

 

[85Bears]

I’d hire Petrino and give him a good DC.

 

[patdog]

ESPN had our winning chances at 98.4% just for last night's game. If they had a computer that could come up with the combined odds of losing ALL THREE of them, it would have to be 0.0001%. And yet, here we are Lebby

ESPN computers clearly do not take the Lebby factor into the equation.

 

[patdog]

I’d hire Petrino and give him a good DC.

Uh no. I’d just as soon keep Lebby.

 

[Indndawg]

Uh no. I’d just as soon keep Lebby.

If we're hiring retreads, I'll take Daniel Mullen

 

[85Bears]

Uh no. I’d just as soon keep Lebby.

ok, keep Lebby

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Brent Vigen is the guy. He finds a way to win.

 

[Indndawg]

Brent Vigen is the guy. He finds a way to win.

or Candle. Either one, I'm reupping my season tix for 1st time since Jo Mo Season 1

 

[Scottfield1]

The pro-Lebby crowd will tell you that we're just "poor ol' Mississippi State" and we are never going to be able to compete with the big boys. That we should be happy just to keep it close with Florida and Texas because we are capable or deserving of beating them.

In the real world, we had the roster and the talent to beat both of them, and it was Lebby who stopped it. A "replacement level" coach wins both of those games. I've already identified 16 successful head coaches who would probably take our job, so the "poor ol' Mississippi State can never expect to hire a better coach than Lebby" argument is out the window.

With a competent "replacement level" coach we are 6-2 and looking at a ranked finish. With a good coach (like one that we'll be able to hire in a few weeks) we could be 7-1, and we'd right there with our former peers Ole Miss and Vanderbilt and talking about the playoffs.

Don't let the #NoWeCan't Lebby fanboys gaslight you into thinking we can't do better than a coach who is 2 wins below the level of our talent.

I seem to recall how this board **** on this roster repeatedly before the season and we would be blown out in every SEC game. I’m extremely disappointed in his coaching decisions the last two games and I blame him Last year, Lebby had zero chance of being remotely decent with the timing of his hire. He will not be fired even if he doesn’t win another game. Next year will be a different story.

 

[woozman]

I’d hire Petrino and give him a good DC.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Uh no. I’d just as soon keep Lebby.

Funny thing is, we get to find out which one is the better option a cool 6 days from now.

 

[85Bears]

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You’re probably right, Arnett and Lebby are more our speed

 

[OG Goat Holder]

The pro-Lebby crowd will tell you that we're just "poor ol' Mississippi State" and we are never going to be able to compete with the big boys. That we should be happy just to keep it close with Florida and Texas because we are capable or deserving of beating them.

In the real world, we had the roster and the talent to beat both of them, and it was Lebby who stopped it. A "replacement level" coach wins both of those games. I've already identified 16 successful head coaches who would probably take our job, so the "poor ol' Mississippi State can never expect to hire a better coach than Lebby" argument is out the window.

With a competent "replacement level" coach we are 6-2 and looking at a ranked finish. With a good coach (like one that we'll be able to hire in a few weeks) we could be 7-1, and we'd right there with our former peers Ole Miss and Vanderbilt and talking about the playoffs.

Don't let the #NoWeCan't Lebby fanboys gaslight you into thinking we can't do better than a coach who is 2 wins below the level of our talent.

I’ve been trying to tell these clowns that this year appears to be your typical ‘up’ year where we should get to 8-4. Coaches aren’t as responsible these days for crootin as much as in the past. And now we’re going to have trouble convincing good players to come here, money or not.

Unless he has an unbelievable last 4 games.

 

[Indndawg]

I’ve been trying to tell these clowns that this year appears to be your typical ‘up’ year where we should get to 8-4. Coaches aren’t as responsible these days for crootin as much as in the past. And now we’re going to have trouble convincing good players to come here, money or not.

Unless he has an unbelievable last 4 games.

Thx for captioning our pain and our truth. I hate your posts at times.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Thx for captioning our pain and our truth. I hate your posts at times.

The genespagers will tell us “well we predicted we’d win 5 or 6 and we did”, yeah that was before Flarrda, Tejas and Arkansas turned out to be awful. And Mizzou loses their starting QB. And Kiffin starts flirting with Flarrda.

 

[o_fredgarvin]

The pro-Lebby crowd will tell you that we're just "poor ol' Mississippi State" and we are never going to be able to compete with the big boys. That we should be happy just to keep it close with Florida and Texas because we are capable or deserving of beating them.

In the real world, we had the roster and the talent to beat both of them, and it was Lebby who stopped it. A "replacement level" coach wins both of those games. I've already identified 16 successful head coaches who would probably take our job, so the "poor ol' Mississippi State can never expect to hire a better coach than Lebby" argument is out the window.

With a competent "replacement level" coach we are 6-2 and looking at a ranked finish. With a good coach (like one that we'll be able to hire in a few weeks) we could be 7-1, and we'd right there with our former peers Ole Miss and Vanderbilt and talking about the playoffs.

Don't let the #NoWeCan't Lebby fanboys gaslight you into thinking we can't do better than a coach who is 2 wins below the level of our talent.

Where do we rank again in NIL in the SEC? Why do you think we win with a replacement coach when our talent level is so far below the teams we have lost to?

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Where do we rank again in NIL in the SEC? Why do you think we win with a replacement coach when our talent level is so far below the teams we have lost to?

Our NIL was enough to have a team that would have beaten Florida and Texas (and possibly Tennessee) if our coach hadn't screwed it up.

 

[Dawgzilla2]

Pre-requisite has to be “has been a HC before and overseen the running of an entire program, has experience”. naked drive through man, and Lebby , don’t meet that criteria. SEC is not the place for training wheels.

There does need to be elite experience, but "has been a head coach before" is an over rated criterion. Half of the coaches in today's Top 20 are in their first ever head coaching gig. If you have worked for successful coaches and demonstrated the right ability, then it's okay if State is your first HC job.

 

[85Bears]

There does need to be elite experience, but "has been a head coach before" is an over rated criterion. Half of the coaches in today's Top 10 are in their first ever head coaching gig. If you have worked for successful coaches and demonstrated the right ability, then it's okay if State is your first HC job.

No. Not for the sec. not at state.

maybe an elite program with tons of nil money.

Lebby was an OC at Oklahoma in the big 12 , had 4 and 5 star player playing 3 star players. Well now he’s got 3 star players playing 4 and 5 star players in the sec. not a good fit.

a well coached team with an experienced head coach looks organized in all three phases, like Leach’s team in 22. See how sloppy we look ? How unorganized . That’s because we have an inexperienced coach who has never overseen an entire program.

 

[Dawgzilla2]

Our NIL was enough to have a team that would have beaten Florida and Texas (and possibly Tennessee) if our coach hadn't screwed it up.

So, Lebby gets no credit for having the team in position to win? Florida is a different case, because they were a mess and really tried to hand us the win. The UTs should have been able to beat us easily based on NIL budget alone. We weren't just handed 4th quarter leads in those games...the players and coaches earned them.

Then they pissed them away, which is the problem.

 

[Dawgzilla2]

No. Not for the sec. not at state.

maybe an elite program with tons of nil money.

Lebby was an OC at Oklahoma in the big 12 , had 4 and 5 star player playing 3 star players. Well now he’s got 3 star players playing 4 and 5 star players in the sec. not a good fit.

a well coached team with an experienced head coach looks organized in all three phases, like Leach’s team in 22. See how sloppy we look ? How unorganized . That’s because we have an inexperienced coach who has never overseen an entire program.

I agree that Lebby did not have enough experience. But Kirby Smart, Brent Venables, and Clark Lea beg to differ with your premise that HC experience is a necessity. So does Dan Mullen.

 

[85Bears]

I agree that Lebby did not have enough experience. But Kirby Smart, Brent Venables, and Clark Lea beg to differ with your premise that HC experience is a necessity. So does Dan Mullen.

Sure, you can find an exception to the rule in anything but it’s still apples and oranges. Georgia to Miss State ? If you are the smallest poorest progrm in the sec, you don’t want to hire a coach with training wheels.

wealthy programs who can buy a roster and a coaching staff without any budgeting worries leave a lot more leeway.

an experienced head coach is a great asset, especially if you have to do more with less

 

[gtowndawg]

So, Lebby gets no credit for having the team in position to win? Florida is a different case, because they were a mess and really tried to hand us the win. The UTs should have been able to beat us easily based on NIL budget alone. We weren't just handed 4th quarter leads in those games...the players and coaches earned them.

Then they pissed them away, which is the problem.

And using the NIL argument is a straw man argument anyway. Texas, etc. have always had more talented rosters on paper. But at times we've had good coaching that offset that (and we won our share of games against the big boys because of it). Our fans just want to use NIL as a crutch so it's "acceptable" to lose now.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

So, Lebby gets no credit for having the team in position to win? Florida is a different case, because they were a mess and really tried to hand us the win. The UTs should have been able to beat us easily based on NIL budget alone. We weren't just handed 4th quarter leads in those games...the players and coaches earned them.

Then they pissed them away, which is the problem.

He can have a little bit of credit for not getting blown out, but when it's his fault that the games were losses and not wins, it doesn't amount to much.

 

[Podgy]

Not just donors:

 

[o_fredgarvin]

And using the NIL argument is a straw man argument anyway. Texas, etc. have always had more talented rosters on paper. But at times we've had good coaching that offset that (and we won our share of games against the big boys because of it). Our fans just want to use NIL as a crutch so it's "acceptable" to lose now.

”At times …”??? “… use NIL as a crutch…”. Talk about rationalizing the state of our program. If we don’t financially commit to winning in the SEC which we haven’t done yet despite what the OP says, we’re in for a lot more heartbreak.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

”At times …”??? “… use NIL as a crutch…”. Talk about rationalizing the state of our program. If we don’t financially commit to winning in the SEC which we haven’t done yet despite what the OP says, we’re in for a lot more heartbreak.

If Lebby were coaching well and getting everything he could of out this roster, it would only be a few people wanting to replace him rather than the majority of our fanbase. That's just not the situation though.

 

[Dawgzilla2]

Sure, you can find an exception to the rule in anything but it’s still apples and oranges. Georgia to Miss State ? If you are the smallest poorest progrm in the sec, you don’t want to hire a coach with training wheels.

wealthy programs who can buy a roster and a coaching staff without any budgeting worries leave a lot more leeway.

an experienced head coach is a great asset, especially if you have to do more with less

And you just want to try to defend your indefensible position by claiming "exceptions" to the rule.

Let me repeat: Half of the coaches in the top 20 this morning are in their first head coaching gig, including #1 Ryan Day. Several others had HC experience, but only at smaller schools, like #2 Cignetti. The most successful coach we've had at State this century had no prior head coaching experience.

Just admit that "HC experience" is not an important criterion, and can be replaced by other relevant experience.

Requiring HC experience is no longer the rule, it is an exception. And there is no reason for State to be bound by it.

 

[85Bears]

Ok, hiring head coaches at Miss State with no head coaching experience is a great idea. It’s really paying off, Arnett went 1-7 in conference and Lebby is 0-12. It’s working out great. you are so right. that fourth quarter game management was something special.

 

[TheDawg-Pound]

No. Not for the sec. not at state.

maybe an elite program with tons of nil money.

Lebby was an OC at Oklahoma in the big 12 , had 4 and 5 star player playing 3 star players. Well now he’s got 3 star players playing 4 and 5 star players in the sec. not a good fit.

a well coached team with an experienced head coach looks organized in all three phases, like Leach’s team in 22. See how sloppy we look ? How unorganized . That’s because we have an inexperienced coach who has never overseen an entire program.

That or at least have him hire an OC to help with clock management. Mullen had the same issues.

 

[TheDawg-Pound]

I agree that Lebby did not have enough experience. But Kirby Smart, Brent Venables, and Clark Lea beg to differ with your premise that HC experience is a necessity. So does Dan Mullen.

Defense vs offense. You need an OC to help with clock mgt for first time HC being an offensive guy. Otherwise trend is learning curve

 

[3407Dewey]

A&M is what it is, but when you look at those other 3 SEC games...

UT - Up 7 at home with 8 min left
UF - Down 2, in field goal range, 0:29 left
Texas - Up 17 at home, UT has it 4th and long, 11 min left

ESPN had our winning chances at 98.4% just for last night's game. If they had a computer that could come up with the combined odds of losing ALL THREE of them, it would have to be 0.0001%. And yet, here we are Lebby

I don’t know man. It’s weird that Lebby only factors into us losing games, and has nothing to do with us being up 7 to TN and up 17 on Texas. It’s like there’s this perpetual motion machine that was running perfectly for us to win games and then Lebby walked in the door and tripped over it and broke the dang thing.
I am genuinely perplexed by the argument that there are dozens of coaches who could walk in here with our players and our schedule and be 6-2 or 7-1 right now.

 

[dickiedawg]

If we are talented enough to beat Florida, Texas and Tennessee, I think you have to give Lebby at least some credit for identifying that talent. I don't believe we've been outbidding SEC teams for many of those guys. I'm pretty sure there's not a recruiting service that would tell you we're as talented as any of those teams.

Of 31 players that have started a game for us this year, 17 signed with Lebby. (14 transfers and 3 JUCOs). I'd love to break it down by snap count, but I don't have that information.

It's certainly fair to blame Lebby for not closing out games. But he has to also get credit for us being in position to win. And I'm not suggesting it's good enough just to be in the ballgame. But the improvement between last year and this year is unmistakable, and as of right now I'm not willing to give up on him.

We should definitely be better at the QB position. That's Lebby's deal and there's no excuse.

 

[bulldoghair]

I’d say these NIL donors aren’t smart, for hiring Lebby to start with. Sounds like these money guys don’t know football like they think they do. To invest in a guy like Lebby and his fake offense is fooled investment. I’d say our NIL donors didn’t actually do their part, the biggest part, understand who they’re entrusting their money too be managed by.