Sitting here watching Bo Wallace and his ability to run makes me want to see more or Prescott.....With Russell, we have no read option game at all.......That takes a lot away from out type of offense.............
Our offense is limited with Russell and I'd like to see more Prescott....
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Something I have seen all year is that our passing game is TOO slow...
every pass play takes WAY too long to develop. Apparently we don't have any quick hitting patterns or hot routes or screens or anything of the like in our offense whatsoever and that kills us against teams with a pass rush like A&M. We've gotten by with Russell releasing the ball at the last second every play with a lot of the weaklings we've played early in the schedule but its killing us against these better defenses we are playing now.
every pass play takes WAY too long to develop. Apparently we don't have any quick hitting patterns or hot routes or screens or anything of the like in our offense whatsoever and that kills us against teams with a pass rush like A&M. We've gotten by with Russell releasing the ball at the last second every play with a lot of the weaklings we've played early in the schedule but its killing us against these better defenses we are playing now.
It's slow because our WR's are slow and cannot get seperation......That's why
Russell holds on to the ball too long......
Russell holds on to the ball too long......
You don't need 4.3 speed to run some quick developing patterns or...
to run a hot route when the other team is in full blitz mode.
to run a hot route when the other team is in full blitz mode.
Agreed. Prescott has been money on everything he's tried to do this year. Give him more of a shot...
WHAT.....THE.....****.......
Seriously, history most definitely repeats itself. I can hear the calls for Derrick Taite right now.
Seriously, history most definitely repeats itself. I can hear the calls for Derrick Taite right now.
I don't think they're saying we should replace Russell as the starter, just get Dak some more reps for the sake of our running game that's all. I agree with that.
He did get reps today.....
....and TAM sniffed that **** out quickly.
Our OL just does not hold up against similar or better talent.
....and TAM sniffed that **** out quickly.
Our OL just does not hold up against similar or better talent.
Did you watch the game? Did he not run it for like 10 yards and a first down on one of his 2 or 3 carries? I wouldn't call that "sniffed out quickly". Maybe I'm wrong though.
Koenning yes- OL no.
Our OL is playing pretty well actually. 1st drive- we go 5-wide and Tyler sees where the blitz is coming from- makes a check at the line. And then holds the ball foreverrrrrr and gets sacked. That can't happen.
We hold the ball way too long on offense. Whether it's Tyler or the WR's that cause that- that is what the problem is. We are the only team in the country that doesnt throw a quick slant. And the way we waste Perkins in the passing game is criminal
We need to make some changes in the passing game or go back to Spread Option with Dak.
I have to agree with you. Our OL is serviceable if you play to their strengths. Koenning is killing us with his dipshit play calling, which has always been an issue. This year it was masked by our success on offense, and many times our ability to convert those third and longs. Third and 2, lets surprise them with a QB run, surely the guys not getting picked up in the blocking game will just blow past him without trying to destroy him.
Our offensive and defensive gameplans were pathetic. Individual play by some of the players was pathetic, but it seemed to me that we were outcoached more than outplayed. Texas A&M had several mass substitutions in the middle of drives and we just kept our tired D-Line out there, never changing personnel to better match up against theirs. At this point, I think we will be lucky to finish with another win, and everyone needs to prepare to eat crow when we play Ole Miss if this keeps up.
Our offensive and defensive gameplans were pathetic. Individual play by some of the players was pathetic, but it seemed to me that we were outcoached more than outplayed. Texas A&M had several mass substitutions in the middle of drives and we just kept our tired D-Line out there, never changing personnel to better match up against theirs. At this point, I think we will be lucky to finish with another win, and everyone needs to prepare to eat crow when we play Ole Miss if this keeps up.
And the time they sniffed it out quickly, it was because the same play was called back to back..... In the red zone.
you know it would seem to be an advantage to be in the QB position we are in. Play Russell and scheme something up with Dak. While Dak is on the field for a few snaps, make adjustments on the sideline with Russell.
Also, why do we have nothing with Russell and Dak in at the same time? Handing it off to Dak with his running ability brings in some plays like the flea flicker and HB passes.
you know it would seem to be an advantage to be in the QB position we are in. Play Russell and scheme something up with Dak. While Dak is on the field for a few snaps, make adjustments on the sideline with Russell.
Also, why do we have nothing with Russell and Dak in at the same time? Handing it off to Dak with his running ability brings in some plays like the flea flicker and HB passes.
WHERE ARE THE SCREENS?!?!?!?
If we need to give our WRs more time to get open, nothing slows down a pass rush like a good screen game, yet we NEVER run them!
WE are Moncrief away from having an awesome offense. Just no WR that threatens DBs at all...
Maybe the OL is better than I am giving them credit for but I just don't see a lot of hope with them right now. I do agree that there are things we could do to make them better but not with Les calling the plays.
I do believe we are more suited for the spread option, especially if we are playing a team we can't blow off the ball and run it to open the passing game.
I do believe we are more suited for the spread option, especially if we are playing a team we can't blow off the ball and run it to open the passing game.
Have you not watched any games Dak has a 3.5 yards. A carry average and hasn't been stopped to often. Big first down on 4th against Auburn and a high percentage of first down carries or scores on short yardage. He only had two carries the whole game againsy A&M, for someone watching is two to many to keep track of and I think if his own lineman had been moving his big *** blocking instead of watching he probably would have scored. Just saying he didn't get the opportunity for a defense to adjust. The line blew a block on one play.
How many interceptions does Prescott have? Your retarded. Or just a hater. Oh no interceptions and lets see completions excluding the drops would be 75% or better. People like you are what need to be excluded from any fan base to build winners you probably left with the other few thousand who left at half time sat. Base your ignorant comments on facts or keep them to yourself.
You mean since the last drive against Alabama when dak threw a 17 yard bullet on fourth down and scored shortly after. Tyler is doing a great job as a starter. But utilize your weapons and Prescott is a weapon, without an interception.
Our Offense is limited because of the read option...
I will agree that Tyler Russell is not really a read option QB and it does not take advantage of his strengths. However, if the coaching staff had made the adjustment to a Patriots type offense, we would have been in better shape to compete against the big boys. I have watched Tyler sustain drives with passes that were NEVER a part of MSU football. I have watched him take the drop, hit the back foot, and let go of the football. I have seen the offense move the ball against all teams doing this. So, If the design of the offense was 3 and 5 step drops, Tyler Russell would shine as he has when the play calling favored passing.
I have also rarely seen Tyler keep the ball on the option. I have yelled at the TV "sometimes you need to keep the ball Tyler". He actually ran pretty hard in the A&M game when he did keep it.
I have seen him hold the ball too long, but he has done it much less this year than last. But much of that is design.
With Dak getting more snaps would either of those two games have been any different. I am not sure of that. It was going to be tough to run on Bama.
In my opinion the first 15 plays against LSU should be passes and the total percentage should be 70 - 30 pass. That is our best chance to win.
I will agree that Tyler Russell is not really a read option QB and it does not take advantage of his strengths. However, if the coaching staff had made the adjustment to a Patriots type offense, we would have been in better shape to compete against the big boys. I have watched Tyler sustain drives with passes that were NEVER a part of MSU football. I have watched him take the drop, hit the back foot, and let go of the football. I have seen the offense move the ball against all teams doing this. So, If the design of the offense was 3 and 5 step drops, Tyler Russell would shine as he has when the play calling favored passing.
I have also rarely seen Tyler keep the ball on the option. I have yelled at the TV "sometimes you need to keep the ball Tyler". He actually ran pretty hard in the A&M game when he did keep it.
I have seen him hold the ball too long, but he has done it much less this year than last. But much of that is design.
With Dak getting more snaps would either of those two games have been any different. I am not sure of that. It was going to be tough to run on Bama.
In my opinion the first 15 plays against LSU should be passes and the total percentage should be 70 - 30 pass. That is our best chance to win.
The only problem so far I see with Dak running the read option is there is no "read". He pretty much always fakes the handoff and runs. On the play this past Saturday where he lost a yard BOTH A&M DEs broke in to tackle him. If he had READ them and handed off to the player running to the outside insteady of faking that handoff and running it himself again it would have likely been a TD. Folks aren't going to respect the read option if you do the same read out of it every time.
You are correct. Mullen's offense operates better with a read option type QB. We should play them both.
After I read this quote I went back to the game and watched the play, granted Prescott keeps most of the time however his percentage of success on short yardage is pretty high for TD and first downs The o line blew the blocking and no way would the running back have scored. But I do agree he needs work on reads. But he doesn't get stopped to often and if the lineman had been moving his butt upfield on the previous play that would have been a score.
Well after having just run up the middle for 15 yards it would have been the perfect time to hand off wide and all I know is I remember there being a lot of room to the outside where the ball carrier would have been headed. I am actually trying to remember the last time he didn't keep the ball himself.
You may be right a run to the wide side may have been productive. But he does have a pretty good red zone percentage. And no turnovers. I'm sure he'll get better with reads if he gets more than 2 plays. He didn't run any of the last 4 plays of the game all were hand offs and two hand offs on the scoring drive against Bama one which set up the pass play for a score. No need to hate