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You are doing a fine job, but much seems to be missing. Go back and do ALL the kids they brought in at 125. We can start there, now again, you are ONLY talking about p4p which does NOT tell the whole story. When I looked at what the GR* Krailure had brought in JUST at 125, it was UNBELIEVABLE!!! There was how many #1s at the weight, TOP kids at the weight, AA transfers at the weight...... went ON and ON!!!

He has ALSO recruited OVER AAs and/or TOP kids such as with ButterDean and the KerKIN!!!! NO other skool in the HISTORY that I have seen, has had that luxury EVER!!!! In other words, Krailure had a TOP Heavy( one of the tuffest weights to fill} then goes out and steals the KerKin!!! He also did it with ButterDean at 197(was 184 till he got to F*** st) (but you don,t want to add the PEDs to the conversation) How many of there wrestlers went up weights and won again?????

More then ALL other teams combined maybe!!!! Hell look at the KerKin, how is he doing internationally by the way???? Think we will see him in the OLYMPICS???? LOL, him and brooks, and salad kid and brown and macantoshApple, and BoKnowSheet, and RuthoffTheDrunkRedNose and Babblin

AMAZING- all these kids and how many INTERNATIONAL medals????? WOW!!!!! Don't forget they have the B1Gest BEST club team!!! Can't figure out why they ALL came from other skools?????? Hmmmmm??????

Gonna be real interesting to see how these younger kids pan out???? My guess is, the GR8 Krailure with F*CK them TWOOOOO!!!! and lets not forget the BAD attention he has now brought to USA wrestling because of failed drug test and crazy prescription claims!!!!
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Agree. Ayala is still a contender. He is half a step slow this season, especially on his feet. Not sure why, but if he can correct that, he's back to form, imo.
Really feels to me that his biggest problem is in his head. Too tight, lacking confidence, not having....f**.
 

JoeBagobagels

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I think its a big part of how the Brands motivate themselves thus how they've motivated the team over the years. It's not uncommon in sports, hell we hear it from nfl teams all the time. It's us against the world.
I do think TnT have overused and overdone it though... what did they expect every former wrestler with coaching aspirations should just stay somehow attached to the Iowa program forever? Hell they both left for other opportunities, were they traitors?
Honestly the more I think about it, I don't even think it's that... I think it's just how they motivate themselves to still go to battle in their late 50s... Metcalf/Ramos/St John/Schwab/Kemerer/Gilman etc... are all traitors and the enemy and must be defeated.
Maybe, over the years like many people I struggled with motivation to train. And it finally dawned on me, the first thing was I chose this. The second point was supposedly I really like her love this. And finally the third thing that I thought about was why not just do it hard?
Do it with joy because this stuff is fun and even though it's physically hard just throw yourself into it and love it.

At some point you're not gonna be able to do hard physical activity and you'll want to know that you did your best when you had the chance.
 
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JoeBagobagels

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How does it not? Have to have maybe 10-12 former wrestlers coaching and MANY at D1 skools!!!

OK, sounds good, when you get a chance you get the kids recruited at 125 and we can debate some more!
1. What's your point? It's obviously not a draw for recruits.

2. I don't even know what this means.
 

MSU158

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Why denigrate a 2-time national runnerup (yes, implying Drake isn’t giving his all every match is denigration) just to bolster an argument? An old hiker’s take: Ayala has 4 full-effort losses and may have more before March, but to say he “coasts” during a season is as misguided as saying he won’t contend for a title after it.
I can see how using the word “coast” can trigger this type of response. I definitely didn’t mean to infer in any way that his effort was low. The example I was trying to make is very similar to J. Jaggers, wherein the regular season was simply a training session to get the weight cut under control and get to March in the best condition possible.

Of course they are still trying to win every match they wrestle, but the true focus is always March…
 

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1. What's your point? It's obviously not a draw for recruits.

2. I don't even know what this means.
What do you not understand? 1) IOWA has, since the GABLE era, MANY wrestlers move on to COACH!!! That says a LOT about the program because those coaches have done MANY great things!!!

The second part was send to someone to look up which he did and I DESTROYED him again on the FACTS!!!!
 
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Libertylover

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I don't think you really proved a point there. Drake made the finals twice, and is a .500 wrestler this year. Peterson is on loan, and you mention a '27 recruiting class. I mean, I guess you could revisit the argument in a few years after seeing how they pan out. That was actually a really dumb take. The argument was valid. You didn't state one instance that looked like a clear benefit from those guys. Peterson is a 5th year senior at 125. I would expect solid results from that fact alone. Drake has had 5 years with those guys. He looks the same as he did 3 years ago. You tried to make dude look dumb from his post, and made yourself look like an idiot in the process.
Stylistically, do you think many modern blue chip recruits change that much in college? Maybe tweak a few things. I guarantee Bo Bassett and Melvin are not going to have any big changes to the way they wrestle after 4-5 years at Vtech. Maybe the exception to that is stud high school guys working on their bottom game. That was the biggest hole in Angelo’s game, and appears to be the same for Harvey.
 

MSU158

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Stylistically, do you think many modern blue chip recruits change that much in college? Maybe tweak a few things. I guarantee Bo Bassett and Melvin are not going to have any big changes to the way they wrestle after 4-5 years at Vtech. Maybe the exception to that is stud high school guys working on their bottom game. That was the biggest hole in Angelo’s game, and appears to be the same for Harvey.
Wrestling on the bottom has always been the biggest learning curve in DI wrestling. It isn't that many elite guys aren't good on bottom, but they simply don't consistently get the level of "feel" to average DI riding, let alone the elite. Some guys are coming in much more ready now than ever before, because they are ALREADY getting access to elite DI guys, while still in High School. Still, it isn't so much about learning new moves, it is about "feels" and execution.

You may get a few guys that come in much more raw that can learn new things that work well for them. But, a vast majority of the elites already have their styles pretty much set. DI wrestling is all about polishing those strengths as much as possible, while learning how to minimize mistakes in situations while trying to maximize opportunities.

A huge thing, that is rarely talked about on here, is simply adapting to the college lifestyle and still managing to give your best in the room and on the mat. The best coaches are the ones that can help guys assimilate and find the least stressful way to manage all the practices, classes, studying, girlfriends, sleeping and STILL being able to find some time to relax and enjoy yourself. Creating that type of environment is probably the most underrated part of coaching at that level...
 

JoeBagobagels

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What do you not understand? 1) IOWA has, since the GABLE era, MANY wrestlers move on to COACH!!! That says a LOT about the program because those coaches have done MANY great things!!!

The second part was send to someone to look up which he did and I DESTROYED him again on the FACTS!!!!
Again, so? Gable S coach in 1997. He coached for a belief 22 years, I'm sure down the road after Sanderson is done coaching many of his wrestlers will have gone on to coaching jobs it's kind of what happens
No one doubts cable was great, but the current Hawkeyes aren't at the level of Gables teams.
 
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Wrestling on the bottom has always been the biggest learning curve in DI wrestling. It isn't that many elite guys aren't good on bottom, but they simply don't consistently get the level of "feel" to average DI riding, let alone the elite. Some guys are coming in much more ready now than ever before, because they are ALREADY getting access to elite DI guys, while still in High School. Still, it isn't so much about learning new moves, it is about "feels" and execution.

You may get a few guys that come in much more raw that can learn new things that work well for them. But, a vast majority of the elites already have their styles pretty much set. DI wrestling is all about polishing those strengths as much as possible, while learning how to minimize mistakes in situations while trying to maximize opportunities.

A huge thing, that is rarely talked about on here, is simply adapting to the college lifestyle and still managing to give your best in the room and on the mat. The best coaches are the ones that can help guys assimilate and find the least stressful way to manage all the practices, classes, studying, girlfriends, sleeping and STILL being able to find some time to relax and enjoy yourself. Creating that type of environment is probably the most underrated part of coaching at that level...
I can't remember who it was, maybe Ed Ruth?, that said about spending hours on the bottom just getting ridden when he first got on campus.

My son is a freshman, and he constantly says about the balance of workouts, practice, weight management, class etc. He also mentions about how the seniors struggle with the stress. I guess its just a transition on both ends. I honestly never thought about the senior aspect of it before.
 

Iron Doc

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I can't remember who it was, maybe Ed Ruth?, that said about spending hours on the bottom just getting ridden when he first got on campus.

My son is a freshman, and he constantly says about the balance of workouts, practice, weight management, class etc. He also mentions about how the seniors struggle with the stress. I guess its just a transition on both ends. I honestly never thought about the senior aspect of it before.
"My son is a freshman, and he constantly says about the balance of workouts, practice, weight management, class etc. He also mentions about how the seniors struggle with the stress. I guess its just a transition on both ends. I honestly never thought about the senior aspect of it before."
---------This is true. Junior said the pressure never ends throughout ones career.
 
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IRON HAWK

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What if we put all of the cards face up on the table so we know which ones are which and how good they are. Then, roll with me here, we each get to get our chosen cards and play a hand of poker...
Yes good idea!!! So I will even let you go first!!! You pick a card, then I pick 10, should be a GR* game!!!!
What goes through your mind before making this post. "I know what I'll do, I'll nail him with "Sandusky". It's really original and it will really get under his skin! Yeah, take that! I might even get a like like from IRONHAWK William!" Boom!
WHO?
Again, so? Gable S coach in 1997. He coached for a belief 22 years, I'm sure down the road after Sanderson is done coaching many of his wrestlers will have gone on to coaching jobs it's kind of what happens
No one doubts cable was great, but the current Hawkeyes aren't at the level of Gables teams.
R U REAL SLOW???? The HAWKS may have a DOZEN kids coaching NOW!!!
 

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"Our program"....... is dogsh!t. Psu is superior in every way. Its not just recruiting. Their offensive attacks, positioning, hand and wrist control, finishing technique, top riding, etc, etc.
TnT are awesome dudes, but the sport has evolved past them. Time to clean house.
 

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I am sorry, but that is 100% patently false. Much along the lines of just ignore the bully and he will go away. The toughest guy I have ever known was absolutely the loudest as well. Now, that doesn’t mean there aren’t tough guys out there that avoid problems and feel they have nothing to prove. But, there are also plenty that feel they ALWAYS have something to prove and perpetually live with that chip on their shoulder…
You missed the point. If there is a guy who is always the loudest in the room he is the weakest. Not necessarily physically but definitely mentally
 

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Lmfao. You do realize MSU got pretty heavy into MMA when I was there, right? And I most certainly wasn’t talking about myself. I love that I bother some of you so much. I have simply been around a ton of people that were mean as hell and had hair triggers. Saying the loudest is automatically the weakest is incredibly stupid and I don’t want anyone to ever be dumb enough to truly believe that and test that theory to their detriment.
Like i said it went way over your head. Try not to be dumb as **** and its nice knowing i got in your head lol
 

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That concludes today’s public service announcement from The Oracle.
Trolls, slappies (?), Brands critics, the weak, and all other miscellaneous louts need only reply with gratitude. ;)
You have to excuse his ignorance or lack of education. His critical thinking skills are lacking
 

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This is such an uneducated argument that gets used way too often. Tons of ped’s do so many beneficial things for the body other than create a bodybuilder’s physique. I have no idea if more guys are using than those that have been caught, but this type of “deflection” only works on those that have no clue what performance enhancing drugs actually do…
I continue to be amazed by your stupidity lol. Seriously keep speaking that crap and iowa stays where they are at forever. Be better. Stop accusing kids of juicing unless you have proof and winning isnt proof. Have you seen luke lillendahl and marcus blaze. Are they juicing come on
 

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Drake didn’t AA his first run at NCAA’s did he? So, the improvement is SUBSTANTIAL no matter how you try to twist your PSU flappy viewpoint. As far as this year goes, he does kind of have a history of a bit of coasting during the regular season and then turning it on in March. We will see then. Still, if he even did regress this year after making the Finals 2 years in a row there is no way that would be on Spencer or Austin.

As far as Peterson goes, he has never AA’d. If you don’t think his being in the Iowa room with those guys has helped him, you are every bit the slappy your agenda driven post shows you are.

Still, let the hate flow through you. I live off of your type of response. Never change!
Excuses are for wussies or so I've heard lol
 

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The fact you were so defensive over the PSU program on this particular topic is what I found funny. If you read CLOSER, you would see my post wasn't PSU centric in the slightest. It was about the misnomer regarding performance enhancing drugs HAVING TO create bodybuilder physiques to even begin to believe someone MAY be using them. If you pay attention, I mess with PSU FANS hard, but not the program itself. "Those" is an all inclusive term. Why so defensive? Do you have a real reason to be?
Uneducated gaslighter that should be your new name
 

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LMFAO. Tell me you have no clue and save yourself a bunch of typing. Watch his wrestling at both of those NCAA's and then find a couple random matches during the regular season. I am not saying anything other than exactly what has been. He has been one of the best "peakers" for Iowa the last few years, when many have argued they haven't been doing that as a team.

The guy simply wrestles much harder, faster and simply BETTER in March. But, hey, don't let that get in the way of you being you!
Try deductive reasoning. If you dont know what that is grab a theasoris if you don't know what that is grab a dictionary or maybe try logic or common sense ffs educate yourself
 

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It wasn't this bad when Z was fired. Tom needs fired , end of story. What would make the TnT fans admit change needs to happen, consistent 6th place finishes at Nationals? We are being laughed at by the rest of the college wrestling world.
The rest of the college wrestling world is a joke. Lions don’t lose sleep of the opinions of sheep.
 

MSU158

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Try deductive reasoning. If you dont know what that is grab a theasoris if you don't know what that is grab a dictionary or maybe try logic or common sense ffs educate yourself
Did someone sneak out of the basement and raid Grandma’s liquor cabinet last night?
 
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What goes through your mind before making this post. "I know what I'll do, I'll nail him with "Sandusky". It's really original and it will really get under his skin! Yeah, take that! I might even get a like like from IRONHAWK William!" Boom!
This is an Iowa board. If any of us go to your board the ball licking mods ban us immediately. Giant bunch of pussies is what all of you are. No Iowa fans want you here.
 

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Quite the opposite in my book. We weren't blown off the mats. 6 of the matches were decided by a takedown or less.
Yeah, we each had our own expectations. It was worse than I thought it would be. A couple TDs to 15 for them? We had 3x more stall calls than TDs. Despite me thinking it would be a blowout, I hadn't anticipated that level of offensive ineptness. I agree with Tom Brands.

"That's unlike any dual that I've been in since I've been the coach here," said Tom Brands, who's in his 20th season as Iowa's head coach. "We've been beat up before, but not like that."