Outlook for 2009: Nowhere to go but up!

jakldawg

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Per the ESPN.com preseason power ranking<span style="margin-left: -51px; margin-top: -57px; opacity: 0.25;" class="smarterwiki-popup-bubble smarterwiki-popup-bubble-active"><span class="smarterwiki-popup-bubble-body"><span class="smarterwiki-popup-bubble-links smarterwiki-clearfix"><span class="smarterwiki-popup-bubble-links-row smarterwiki-clearfix"> </span><span class="smarterwiki-popup-bubble-links-row smarterwiki-clearfix"> </span></span></span></span>.

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12. Mississippi State: Somebody's got to be last, and that dubious distinction belongs to the Bulldogs. The reality, though, is that the bottom five teams in the SEC right now are pretty close to being interchangeable. The Bulldogs will be salty on defense, and the return of middle linebacker Jamar Chaney after going down in the opener last season is huge. First-year coach Dan Mullen is an offensive guy, and that's why he was brought in -- to put in his version of the spread. But getting this offense up to speed in Year 1 may be too much to ask.
 

jakldawg

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Per the ESPN.com preseason power ranking<span style="margin-left: -51px; margin-top: -57px; opacity: 0.25;" class="smarterwiki-popup-bubble smarterwiki-popup-bubble-active"><span class="smarterwiki-popup-bubble-body"><span class="smarterwiki-popup-bubble-links smarterwiki-clearfix"><span class="smarterwiki-popup-bubble-links-row smarterwiki-clearfix"> </span><span class="smarterwiki-popup-bubble-links-row smarterwiki-clearfix"> </span></span></span></span>.

For those too lazy to click:
12. Mississippi State: Somebody's got to be last, and that dubious distinction belongs to the Bulldogs. The reality, though, is that the bottom five teams in the SEC right now are pretty close to being interchangeable. The Bulldogs will be salty on defense, and the return of middle linebacker Jamar Chaney after going down in the opener last season is huge. First-year coach Dan Mullen is an offensive guy, and that's why he was brought in -- to put in his version of the spread. But getting this offense up to speed in Year 1 may be too much to ask.
 

gptdawg

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Seeing SC picked in bottom half ,hard to believe that Spurrier just can't seem to get it done.
 

patdog

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You could see Florida slipping in his last couple of years. He got out of there just in time and deserves some of the blame for the Zook teams (he just didn't leave them with Florida-caliber talent).
 
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We should sneak up on some teams....I think we will be fighting for Bowl Eligibility towards the end of the year...I'm an optimistic fan though.
 

SLUdog

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he is getting it done. In that they are having more winning than losing seasons. The Gamecocks have never been a football powerhouse. I never believed he would do much more than Holtz. Maybe they will hire Saban after he's done at Bama.
 

UpTheMiddlex3Punt

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is that they feel we'll struggle on offense while the defense will still be good. I think it will be the opposite. The offense will grasp the scheme and be able to run it at least competently. We still managed to win 4 games last year with an awful offense, and it will surely get better. If the offense doesn't get better (i.e, at least make it to the top 100), then we might as well can Mullen. The defense on the other hand will struggle. I have the feeling we'll be giving up quite a few touchdowns this season on big pass plays where the DBs get burned.

Fortunately for us, the football season will actually be played on the field, not in news stories.
 

MonkeyCheese

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jakldawg said:
Per the ESPN.com preseason power ranking<span style="margin-left: -51px; margin-top: -57px; opacity: 0.25;" class="smarterwiki-popup-bubble smarterwiki-popup-bubble-active"><span class="smarterwiki-popup-bubble-body"><span class="smarterwiki-popup-bubble-]
[/url] </span><span class="smarterwiki-popup-bubble-links-row smarterwiki-clearfix"> </span></span></span></span>.

For those too lazy to click:
12. Mississippi State: Somebody's got to be last, and that dubious distinction belongs to the Bulldogs. The reality, though, is that the bottom five teams in the SEC right now are pretty close to being interchangeable. The Bulldogs will be salty on defense, and the return of middle linebacker Jamar Chaney after going down in the opener last season is huge. First-year coach Dan Mullen is an offensive guy, and that's why he was brought in -- to put in his version of the spread. But getting this offense up to speed in Year 1 may be too much to ask.
To be fair, the article said that the bottom 5 in this list could be interchangeable. Any of them could finish between 8 and 12
 

vhdawg

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....that Spurrier's four years at SC constitute the best win-loss record of any four-year period in South Carolina's football history.
 

HD6

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he only left him Rex Grossman, Keiwan Ratliff (SEC Defensive Player of the Year in 2003), Max Starks, Bobby McCray, Ben Troupe, Shannon Snell (named first team All American by USA Today), Taylor Jacobs (first team All SEC), Earnest Graham, Guss Scott (second team All-SEC), Ian Scott (second team All-SEC).....do I need to keep going?

As much talent as Jackie left the other guy, Spurrier left Zook twice as much.
 

patdog

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Leaving Zook with twice the talent Jackie left Crxxm with is low by Florida standards.</p>
 

olemissbydamn

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SC & MSU are the only two SEC programs with allttime winning percentages below .500.

MSU has the worst w/l percentage alltime in the SEC.
Vandy has gone to the fewest bowls.
SC, KY, & MSU have been to a similar number of bowls, but MSU has a few more wins in bowls.
MSU has finished the season ranked in a major poll 13 times to SC's 5 and KY's 9. Vandy has only finished a season ranked once in it's history.
 

HD6

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Grossman had two years left, and left as a junior. He was replaced by prep all-American overall quarterback Chris Leak. Graham was a senior, replaced by prep all Americans Deshawn Wynn and Ciatrick Fason. Taylor Jacobs was replaced by Dallas Baker in 2002, and Andre Caldwell and Chad Jackson in 2003. Seeing a trend? I'll be happy to continue.

Zook recruited very well to replace Spurrier's already good players. He was just an idiot coach.
 

o_hgsmith

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I know that our history in football has not been that great either but I will take going 0-45 in baseball and 0-30 in basketball for an upper echelon SEC football team year in and year out. It is the main sport that people care about and keep up with.
 

vhdawg

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.....but it's worthy to consider that MSU had 19 wins from 1975-77 that were forfeited because Bob Tyler is an idiot.

Instead of being 505-508-39 going into 2009, State is 486-527-39. Which would mean State would have been significantly above .500 before the 2001-2008 trainwreck began.

Thank YOU, Bob Tyler.

And you, LT.
 

BriantheDawg

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but when March Madness gets here and your team has a good shot of making a deep run, it just doesn't get much better than that. And when you have a great spot in the Left Field Lounge, your team is good, the beer is flowing and bbq smoke a'blowin' - well, that's pretty damn special as well. Now, it's August and I'm ready for some football even though our schedule is absolutely brutal and we're going to be implementing a new system, but I still can't wait for it to get here. I would not, however, trade a top 5 SEC football program and be absolutely terrible in the other 2 sports. Ain't happening. It's possible to actually be good at all 3 sports, but I was basically pointing out that we don't need some ********** rival fan showing us how bad our football history has been. We know. Fortunately for us, we've had success in other sports, whereas your team really hasn't.
 

patdog

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No doubt Zook was an idiot coach, but there's also no doubt that Spurrier dropped the ball big-time in recruiting his last couple of years at Florida. Ask any Gator fan about Spurrier's recruiting his last couple of years there and see what they tell you.
 

SLUdog

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and hasn't since the 1960s. Yeah...I know you might this year. I understand the sentiment.
 

HD6

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http://www.nationalchamps.net/NCAA/2002Preseason/florida.htm

Florida returned 3 starters on the O-Line for Zook, and two of them (Starks, Snell) were juniors who played for Zook in 2003. I have to think by the 2004 season, with 3 signing classes under his belt, it's really on Zook for not having better linemen.
 

msudawg12

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hgsmith said:
I know that our history in football has not been that great either but I will take going 0-45 in baseball and 0-30 in basketball for an upper echelon SEC football team year in and year out. It is the main sport that people care about and keep up with.
Are you suggesting that you have one of these year in and year out?? I know we all have our biases but you gotta wake up
 

patdog

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Did any of those guys make All-SEC or go on to the NFL? Also, you do realize it takes most OL until their 3rd year before they really become productive. So by Zook's last year only his 1st recruiting class OL would really be hitting their prime (a recruiting class he had all of 1 month to put together after Spurrier resigned).

But back to my original point that Spurrier was never the same coach after winning the national title. In his last 3 years at Florida he lost 9 games after losing only 10 games in the previous 6 seasons combined. Florida's early '00s slump started while Spurrier was still at the helm.</p>
 

gptdawg

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In Tyler's defense he was starting to win too much, pissed off the wrong people and got gang raped by the NCAA on trumped up charges(sound familiar?). I mean really "clothing discount"????
 

HD6

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if Snell and Starks were all-SEC? They were.

Maybe if Zook had signed more than 3 offensive linemen in that first class, he might have had something.

As far as Spurrier's last 3 years go, in 1999 they lost four games to the eventual national champion FSU, twice to a 10-3 Bama team that would win the Orange Bowl, and a 10-2 Michigan State team playing so their interim coach would get the head job. Those teams were a combined 32-5. Not a lot of shame in those games.

In 2000, they lose to FSU aGAIN, lose the Sugar Bowl to a Miami team that should have been national champions at 11-1 (they beat Florida State which got to play Oklahoma in the NC game), and of course to us. Combined record 31-7, 4 of those losses were us.

In 2001, they suffer what I would consider the first bad loss of this 3 year period, a loss to a 7-5 Auburn team. Regardless of that, they were still in position to play for the national title when the makeup 9/11 game against Tennessee is a loss. They still finish 10-2 and rank in the top 5. So Spurrier's last year, they score more points that they had since 1996, give up fewer points than they had since 1998, and returned 6 offensive starters (including 3 linemen) and 5 defensive starters (including a SEC player of the year), and weren't in position to continue their succcess? You really believe Spurrier stays at Florida and goes 23-15 the next 3 years?