oversigning... what it is and what it ain't...

[TUSK.sixpack]

What do you guys think is:<div>[list type=decimal][*]too many signees in a given year?[*]an acceptable rate of attrition (poor grades, medical, disciplinary issues, transfers, etc.)?[/list]<div>In short, what is too much, too loose or too shady?</div></div><div>
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[tenureplan]

and cutting during summer workouts is pretty shady. I think a penalty should be imposed when the 85 limit is broken by over signings. If you are going to cut people to make room, do it before signing day.

 

[RebelBruiser]

I think the rule should be that you have to notify the player before the end of the spring semester, to give them all summer to look for another home.

Cutting a player in August or offering him the medical hardship or nothing route just screws the player out of a chance to play.

You should have to set your fall roster in terms of returning players by some date in May. Then, that would limit the number of players you can bring in for a particular class. If you want to bring in 25, you have to have room for 25 when the May deadline rolls around.

ETA: As I said a few days ago, if you want to get rid of cutting practices altogether, then extend the eligibility clock to 5 full years for every player and limit each team to enrolling only 17 players per year. That's about the only way I see to keep coaches from cutting players. Of course, it would cut down on the discipline. It would take a lot to get kicked off the team if every player you kicked off put you one under the 85 limit. Also, you'd have to allow for transfers to not count against the incoming 17, so that teams that lose a player could have room to take one in without affecting future classes.

 

[57stratdawg]

especially in Mississippi isn't it? Because if we sign 3 kids we know are headed to JUCO, they count against us like we've oversigned by 3 players. When I looked at the Oversigning Cup the other day UM, MSU and Kansas State were all up at the top. Those are 3 programs that really use the JUCO system.

At least that's my understanding.

 

[tenureplan]

When he leaves JUCO he will be able to sign with another school even though he signed with you 2 years prior will he not?

 

[GloryDawg]

Nutt don't care about Ole Miss. He just wants to have a highly rated recruiting class to add to his resume. Like many of these other coaches. In the case of Alabama and Saban I don't think that's the case. They do so they can clean house of undesirables.

 

[57stratdawg]

We virtually knew that 4 star DT (McReynolds) was going to JUCO. We signed Shaquille Perry, Devonte Scott, and Josh Robinson, all of which will probably end up in prep school or JUCO. Certainly the first 2, I think Robinson has a chance to qualify.

 

[maroonmania]

and given we only signed 22 players total I really don't understand the purpose of signing Perry. As you mentioned, Robinson does at least have a shot to qualify.

 

[RebelBruiser]

It's two reasons really. 1) You build that relationship with the player, so that if you follow the guy's progress and want to re-sign him, it's a lot easier to do the 2nd time around, and 2) you can sometimes steer players to certain Jucos, which can help you get in good with a coach at a Juco to help you down the line.

You might also make the argument that signing and placing can help you strengthen your relationship with the high school coach too.

I don't see how signing and placing really hurts you, which is why I don't agree with the 28 rule.

 

[FISHDAWG]

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[bullysleftnut]

What do you guys think is:<div>[list type=decimal][*]too many signees in a given year?[*]an acceptable rate of attrition (poor grades, medical, disciplinary issues, transfers, etc.)?[/list]<div>In short, what is too much, too loose or too shady?</div></div><div>
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1) Allow a player to transfer immediately with eligibility to any other D1 school if his current school doesn't renew his scholarship.
2) Require the school to inform the player at least 30 days prior to Fall practice that his scholarship isn't being renewed.

 

[GloryDawg]

that was good back in the day when you did not have limits on scholarships.</p>

 

[TUSK.sixpack]

<p class="MsoNormal">I looked up Bama’s last 4 classes under Saban.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>We’ve signed 108 to a scholarship. That
averages to 27/year (108/4).<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span>Assuming each
athlete has an average of 4 years of eligibility that would put Alabama 23 over
the 85 limit (108-85) for an annual attrition due to NFL, poor grades, transfers,
and disciplinary or issues,<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span>of 5.75 athletes (23/4).<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span>That attrition rate would be 21% (5.75/27).</p><p class="MsoNormal">I'm not sure that in such a competitive environment these numbers are way out of line.</p><p class="MsoNormal">
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