Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff says USC, UCLA will regret their decision

[WVUALLEN]

While the rest of the Pac-12, and the rest of the West Coast for that matter, may scowl at USC and UCLA for ditching the conference for greener pastures, there is no way the Bruins or Trojans will regret this decision. With the Big Ten probably expanding beyond 16 teams at some point, the gap between Los Angeles and Lincoln, Nebraska might close faster than … the Cornhuskers being back.

https://fansided.com/2022/08/01/george-kliavkoff-pac-12-usc-ucla-exodus/

Remember when The BIG 10 took on Maryland and Rutgers, some were saying “that’s it for that conference”, “they’re lowering their standards.” Rutgers and Maryland have clearly been handed an elite status by way of just the way things are working out. Sometimes that happens. Don’t blame them. I am sure commissioner is worried about his career. Don't blame Big 10 or 12.

 

[steeleer]

Money wise? They will regret nothing.
Branding? They absolutely will.

look at Penn State. Even when they are great, they are always under OSU, MSU and OSU as far as the Big 10 is concerned. At best they are even with Wisconsin.

Now extrapolate that to what will happen to two teams on the other side of the country that are far removed from NC contenders. Within 5 years (unless Riley can turn around USC) they will be below PSU.

 

[Rootmaster]

Money wise? They will regret nothing.
Branding? They absolutely will.

look at Penn State. Even when they are great, they are always under OSU, MSU and OSU as far as the Big 10 is concerned. At best they are even with Wisconsin.

Now extrapolate that to what will happen to two teams on the other side of the country that are far removed from NC contenders. Within 5 years (unless Riley can turn around USC) they will be below PSU.

The reason for building a brand is to make more money. All the schools in B1G and SEC are now an established brand....rich ones.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Money wise? They will regret nothing.
Branding? They absolutely will.

look at Penn State. Even when they are great, they are always under OSU, MSU and OSU as far as the Big 10 is concerned. At best they are even with Wisconsin.

Now extrapolate that to what will happen to two teams on the other side of the country that are far removed from NC contenders. Within 5 years (unless Riley can turn around USC) they will be below PSU.

Everyone in the Big 10 is below Ohio State. If it was WVU and they turned down 100 million a year to stay in the Big 12 you would be angry. I don't think USC or UCLA will regret 1 minute of their decision.

PSU was playing teams like Rutgers, Temple, WVU, Maryland, Pitt, Syracuse,

Penn State leads the Maryland series 40–2–1
Penn State leads the Pitt series 53–43–2
Penn State leads the Temple series 40–4–1
Penn State leads the WVU series 48–9–2
Penn State leads the Syracuse series 43–23–5
Penn State leads Rutgers series 25-1

PSU Big 10 W/L 245-108-0 (148-94-0)
PSU 30 years independent 260-79-2

Ohio State 15-20
Michigan State 17-18-1

 

[sammyk]

Everyone in the Big 10 is below Ohio State. If it was WVU and they turned down 100 million a year to stay in the Big 12 you would be angry. I don't think USC or UCLA will regret 1 minute of their decision.

PSU was playing teams like Rutgers, Temple, WVU, Maryland, Pitt, Syracuse,

Penn State leads the Maryland series 40–2–1
Penn State leads the Pitt series 53–43–2
Penn State leads the Temple series 40–4–1
Penn State leads the WVU series 48–9–2
Penn State leads the Syracuse series 43–23–5
Penn State leads Rutgers series 25-1

PSU Big 10 W/L 245-108-0 (148-94-0)
PSU 30 years independent 260-79-2

Ohio State 15-20
Michigan State 17-18-1

As a Penn State fan joining the BIG has been an upgrade in scheduling that’s for sure. They may be in the top 4 in the BIG every year for the most part it os still a hard road to win every week. Now USC and UCLA could fit like this in the BIG. USC very well challenge Ohio st every year for the title. UCLA could very well be a Michigan state Wiscy level team. Now you have added a potential national power in USC and a potential top 25 team in UCLA.

 

[Butler-eer]

$75 - $100 MILLION ..... nuff said.

 

[WV Bruno]

Money wise? They will regret nothing.
Branding? They absolutely will.

look at Penn State. Even when they are great, they are always under OSU, MSU and OSU as far as the Big 10 is concerned. At best they are even with Wisconsin.

Now extrapolate that to what will happen to two teams on the other side of the country that are far removed from NC contenders. Within 5 years (unless Riley can turn around USC) they will be below PSU.

Same thing is happening to WVU. We have had good talent at most positions the past three years and can not break six wins. What if we had the 07 team's schedule last year? That team goes 9-3. How about Grier's final season? That team may have ran the field in the old Big East that included VT and Miami. Same deal with Howard's final season. That is why I say people are fools for wanting WVU in the SEC. You want 4-8 seasons most years? WVU does not have the foundation to compete in that conference. There is not enough good recruiting around this region. Coaches will also view WVU as a challenge that is not really worth the effort. It could become a graveyard of coaches or at the very least a revolving door of coaches. Look at Arkansas. They used to put up some 10-1 seasons and play in big bowl games. In the SEC they are around a 7-5 program. Remember the fans do not get any of that money. It sucks when you lose. PSU fans are never happy these days and who can blame them????

 

[WV Bruno]

$75 - $100 MILLION ..... nuff said.

Their fans won't get any of that money. Also, they will take their share of *** kickings and that sucks when you are a fan.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Everyone in the Big 10 is below Ohio State. If it was WVU and they turned down 100 million a year to stay in the Big 12 you would be angry. I don't think USC or UCLA will regret 1 minute of their decision.

PSU was playing teams like Rutgers, Temple, WVU, Maryland, Pitt, Syracuse,

Penn State leads the Maryland series 40–2–1
Penn State leads the Pitt series 53–43–2
Penn State leads the Temple series 40–4–1
Penn State leads the WVU series 48–9–2
Penn State leads the Syracuse series 43–23–5
Penn State leads Rutgers series 25-1

PSU Big 10 W/L 245-108-0 (148-94-0)
PSU 30 years independent 260-79-2

Ohio State 15-20
Michigan State 17-18-1

In fairness, Penn State was a much stronger program pre Big 10. Aside from 1994, they pretty much fell off the wagon.

 

[Butler-eer]

Their fans won't get any of that money. Also, they will take their share of *** kickings and that sucks when you are a fan.

And they will still pack the stadium for OSU. UM. MSU. PSU WISKY IOWA and every other B1G team.

 

[Tylerite]

Same thing is happening to WVU. We have had good talent at most positions the past three years and can not break six wins. What if we had the 07 team's schedule last year? That team goes 9-3. How about Grier's final season? That team may have ran the field in the old Big East that included VT and Miami. Same deal with Howard's final season. That is why I say people are fools for wanting WVU in the SEC. You want 4-8 seasons most years? WVU does not have the foundation to compete in that conference. There is not enough good recruiting around this region. Coaches will also view WVU as a challenge that is not really worth the effort. It could become a graveyard of coaches or at the very least a revolving door of coaches. Look at Arkansas. They used to put up some 10-1 seasons and play in big bowl games. In the SEC they are around a 7-5 program. Remember the fans do not get any of that money. It sucks when you lose. PSU fans are never happy these days and who can blame them????

So be in a lower tier division and MAYBE have semi success every so often because resources are limited and insignificance in the athletics which in turn will lead to lower interest in the teams?

 

[steeleer]

Same thing is happening to WVU. We have had good talent at most positions the past three years and can not break six wins. What if we had the 07 team's schedule last year? That team goes 9-3. How about Grier's final season? That team may have ran the field in the old Big East that included VT and Miami. Same deal with Howard's final season. That is why I say people are fools for wanting WVU in the SEC. You want 4-8 seasons most years? WVU does not have the foundation to compete in that conference. There is not enough good recruiting around this region. Coaches will also view WVU as a challenge that is not really worth the effort. It could become a graveyard of coaches or at the very least a revolving door of coaches. Look at Arkansas. They used to put up some 10-1 seasons and play in big bowl games. In the SEC they are around a 7-5 program. Remember the fans do not get any of that money. It sucks when you lose. PSU fans are never happy these days and who can blame them????

All true. WVU had to go though. PSU could have pulled a ND and held out indefinitely. Kids don't remember how big a deal that program was before they went to the Big 10

 

[oceantide83]

Lincoln Riley may regret his decision trying to run away from competition only to be forced back into it.

 

[WVUALLEN]

In fairness, Penn State was a much stronger program pre Big 10. Aside from 1994, they pretty much fell off the wagon.

1993 (10-3)
1994 (12-0)
1995 (9-3)
1996 (11-2)
1997 (9-3)
1998 (9-3)
1999 (10-3)
2000 (5-7)
2001 (5-6)
2002 (9-4)
2003 (3-9
2004 (4-7)
2005 (11-1)
2006 (9-4)
2007 (9-4)
2008 (11-2)
2009 (11-2)
2010 (9-4)
2011 (7-6)
2012 (9-4)
2013 (7-5)
2014 (7-6)
2015 (7-6)
2016 (11-3)
2017 (11-2)
2018 (9-4)
2019 (11-2)
2020 (4-5)
2021 (7-6)
W 246 L 110 T 0
Finished top 10 / 17 times / 4 Big 10 titles
Finished top 25 / 22 times

12 double digit wins in a season

1962-1993
W 296 L 92 T 3
Finished top 10 /16 times
Finished ranked in top 25 / 25 times

4 national championships claimed 1911, 1912, 1982 and 1986

Not a lot of difference but competition.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Lincoln Riley may regret his decision trying to run away from competition only to be forced back into it.

He dominated Big 12 when he was there.

 

[WVUALLEN]

All true. WVU had to go though. PSU could have pulled a ND and held out indefinitely. Kids don't remember how big a deal that program was before they went to the Big 10

PSU problem in Big 10 is Michigan and Ohio State. Same for everyone else. I am far from a child and remember every *** whipping, PSU gave us and every blown lead.

 

[MichiganHerd]

Lincoln Riley may regret his decision trying to run away from competition only to be forced back into it.

If you're scared of competing against the best in order to prove you're the best, then coaching sports probably isn't the thing for you.

 

[Beechurst]

PSU problem in Big 10 is Michigan and Ohio State. Same for everyone else. I am far from a child and remember every *** whipping, PSU gave us and every blown lead.

…and every questionable call and non-call. JoPa was the refs’ puppeteer.

 

[WVUALLEN]

…and every questionable call and non-call. JoPa was the refs’ puppeteer.

Like the Marbury's opening kickoff return for 100 yard TD in1972 and a fumble PSU which was recovered by #77 Dennis Reed of WVU and officials called it a TD for PSU even though they went no further than the 2 yard line. and won the game 28-19.

 

[Beechurst]

Like the Marbury's opening kickoff return for 100 yard TD in1972 and a fumble PSU which was recovered by #77 Dennis Reed of WVU and officials called it a TD for PSU even though they went no further than the 2 yard line. and won the game 28-19.

Yes, the bouncing fumble ruled a PSU TD definitely came to mind. A great non-call was in the stormy 1992 finale when scrambling, stumbling PSU QB Kerry Collins touched the point of the football on the ground to keep his balance 5-10 yards behind the line of scrimmage. He kept scrambling and hit a long pass key to the Lions’ late, winning drive.

 

[Tylerite]

Yes, the bouncing fumble ruled a PSU TD definitely came to mind. A great non-call was in the stormy 1992 finale when scrambling, stumbling PSU QB Kerry Collins touched the point of the football on the ground to keep his balance 5-10 yards behind the line of scrimmage. He kept scrambling and hit a long pass key to the Lions’ late, winning drive.

So what are you trying to say about 1992?

 

[WVUFanForever]

If you're scared of competing against the best in order to prove you're the best, then coaching sports probably isn't the thing for you.

If you don't know the difference between the like and laugh emojis...maybe hanging out here 24/7 isnt the thing for you.

 

[MichiganHerd]

If you don't know the difference between the like and laugh emojis...maybe hanging out here 24/7 isnt the thing for you.

I know the difference between a doofus and a she-man. Unfortunately, you fit the definition of both. Perhaps you should find something more fitting for yourself, as attempting to talk sports on a message board forum is not the place for either a doofus or a she-man.

 

[WVUFanForever]

I know the difference between a doofus and a she-man. Unfortunately, you fit the definition of both. Perhaps you should find something more fitting for yourself, as attempting to talk sports on a message board forum is not the place for either a doofus or a she-man.

I talk sports on the BL...the place queenie is banned from and you cant afford.

Remember...the like is the thumbs up, the smiling face is the laughing emoji...

How anyone can be as stupid as you is beyond me.

And you probably know all about she-men...not surprising.

 

[WV Bruno]

So be in a lower tier division and MAYBE have semi success every so often because resources are limited and insignificance in the athletics which in turn will lead to lower interest in the teams?

Tickets sales are big time down. There is a reason for that.

 

[steeleer]

Yes, the bouncing fumble ruled a PSU TD definitely came to mind. A great non-call was in the stormy 1992 finale when scrambling, stumbling PSU QB Kerry Collins touched the point of the football on the ground to keep his balance 5-10 yards behind the line of scrimmage. He kept scrambling and hit a long pass key to the Lions’ late, winning drive.

I was at that game. That **** was crazy. That temperature dropped like 20 degrees in 30 minutes and then it poured. What a for **** day that was.