I've literally seen hundreds upon hundreds of fans wearing specific jerseys--usually with a name associated. Far more than just a schools colors or anything like that. TV money exists not because of schools, but because certain players played or are playing for schools. Just look at the headlines. Players going to this or that school (such as Manning)--people are not just going to watch a school--see Ivy league where theres no money and no tv and no crowds in the stands.
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I disagree with them being paid at all. It’s amateurism. That’s why these schools can operate under tax exempt status. The solution wasn’t NIL or any compensation besides a scholarship. The solution should’ve been to allow kids to go straight to the NFL out of high school if they choose.
There was never anything legal about forcing kids to close off their own ability to earn a living because they played sports in college. Just because it got your rocks off as a fan to watch a bunch of kids struggling to scrape together beer money out there on a field, doesn’t mean it was ever right. Basically a bunch of old guys from back in the day pulled one over on the youth who weren’t conditioned to question authority, and that system got grandfathered in up until the court ruling that ended it.
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Nobody is forcing them to do anything. I think I made it clear, let them go professional straight from HS. That is the travesty when they won’t allow them to do that. They are being paid an education. And that choice is optional. Don’t like it? Get a job somewhere doing something else. It’s the equivalent of the minor leagues and they are being compensated. Next time try reading my post and stop the instant assumptions I’m some old guy getting rocks off. I couldn’t care less if they play another game. That goes for both the kids and the universities.
Lol no one is forcing them to do anything… except choose between playing football and foregoing college altogether to join the workforce. It’s funny how this choice isn’t bestowed upon any other group of people in the country, including academic scholars.
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You seem to be missing the free college education you’re receiving for playing football while the other students have to pay for their college education. Apparently, you don’t understand an education is valuable. Again, nobody is forcing them to play football. It’s a choice. They’re not owed anything besides the agreement set forth. Play football…you get an education. Like the work force. You choose to participate under a similar agreement. You work…you get paid. As I said, the only crime is not being allowed to bypass college for the NFL. One of the hardest lessons to learn in life is, nobody owes you a damn thing. That seems to be missing today in this country.
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You see, someone does owe you a damn thing when they setup a billion dollar enterprise on selling tickets and TV rights to said football games and every school creates a fixed income scale in the form of a free education, without the ability to earn money from 3rd parties. No one is asking the school to pay anyone anything, but if some guy wants to pay you on the side, where does anyone get off in saying they cant? What is it about college sports that means you have to forfeit rights away?
It’s called amateurism. Look it up. Again, it’s a voluntary agreement. Don’t like it? Again, pay for your own education. Fight for the right to bypass college for the NFL. Go to the Canadian football league. Play semi pro football. If none of that is appealing, join the workforce like everyone else. Again, nobody owes you anything. I don’t care how much the power brokers make in the industry. They don’t owe you anything. Playing football is as much a privilege as it is voluntary. I’d prefer stripping the universities of their tax exemption and force them to pay taxes. And remove the amateurism altogether since this is what it’s come to. Then pay the kids and they can be taxed as well. Welcome to reality.
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Lol “amateurism” does not mean you forfeit the right to earning income off of your own image. I think the term you are looking for is indentured servant. Again, if the colleges only want to offer scholarships, no one is forcing them to pay more than that, but the colleges, nor does any other entity have the right to say whether or not a person can pull in side income.
indentured servant? Please lol If you want to have an educated debate about this, please use the correct terminology. The only thing the court ruling did was create/find a loophole. That’s a shame. It’s bad for the sport and I promise you it will decrease the audience. They get what they deserve I guess…literally lol.
Decreasing the audience means nothing to the athletes when they don’t share in the revenue that audience generates. If NCAAF dies as a result of players making money, then so be it, the schools did it to themselves.
So weird. People vote for for those radicals that want billionaires to pay 0 tax while working people pay out the arse to make up the deficit, and they didn't care that COACHES and ADs were making literally millions per year, but now that athletes have an unrestricted right to earnings outside the NCAA/school/conference like everyone else, they want that taxed heavily. Wonder why?
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1099 is for independent contractors, so the question is are they or are they employees?
100% agree. Why should the athletes care--they don't get a dime of the money they earn for the schools or conferences. NIL isn't that, its money outside of the schools/conferences/NCAA that they are able to earn themselves-just like EVERYONE ELSE CAN. Not their fault that certain if not all schools are dipping their hands into generating NIL money sources to lure players here or there
Exactly, why would playing college sports mean you have to forfeit your ability to earn what you can on the side? If something needs to be regulated about it its the schools and schools boosters--those are the ones causing the issues with NIL, not players who now have the rights every one else does to earn money as they are able. Doesn't change anything about the actual games.
What you folks aren't seeing is that, no matter what plays out with the B12 absorbing the PAC, the ACC, or even parts of those, or a merger of some sort, the B12 will still be in danger of losing teams to the B10 or SEC whenever they want them.
There will never any stability. As long as you are low man on totem pole, you are ripe for the picking.
There will never any stability. As long as you are low man on totem pole, you are ripe for the picking.
If they’re being paid by a business for presumably for the use of their NIL in an advertisement, then they are independent contractors.
I think the idea is that the leftovers have to be enough of a pain in the *** for the SEC/B1G to want to outright absorb the whole thing and kill all competition.
The actual game has already changed.
First with transfer portal (see the 3,000 athletes in portal which about 20% will find a new team)
Only 27.6% of players that have entered the transfer portal have found new teams.
Next the NIL = legalized cheating as former rules are being broken because alums are the ones paying millions to get top players.
You want the player to make money then schools should pay a salary to the players. Strip their scholarship and make them pay for it. Tax them like everyone else that makes money.
How far does college football attendance drop after players begin their money grabbing.
The per-game national decline of 1,629 fans in 2021 is the steepest ever, a 3.93% drop from 2019. The NCAA did not compile attendance statistics from the COVID-19-impacted 2020 season for the first time since it began keeping overall attendance figures in 1948.
College football attendance declines for seventh straight season to lowest average since 1981. Even the best teams and conferences across college football saw attendance drops this season.
Nationally, the average attendance in 2021 was down 15%, more than 7,000 per game, from a record mark of 46,971 in 2008.
In this age of name image and likeness rights, the transfer portal and court battles, this serves as a reminder that the game is not too big to fail.
The 2022 CFP semifinals were the lowest rated since 2014.
Rights holders are paying millions of dollars so they can dictate those kickoff times. Games start in the most advantageous windows for networks to show ads and get ratings, thus recouping the millions they pay for those rights.
In that case, it seems like the in-person fan is almost a secondary consideration.
www.cbssports.com
With high gas prices, thanks to dumbest president ever Joe Biden, and long drives of 3-4-5 hours across some states the attendance could fall even more drastically. Thing is will media continue dropping or rise.
First with transfer portal (see the 3,000 athletes in portal which about 20% will find a new team)
Only 27.6% of players that have entered the transfer portal have found new teams.
Next the NIL = legalized cheating as former rules are being broken because alums are the ones paying millions to get top players.
You want the player to make money then schools should pay a salary to the players. Strip their scholarship and make them pay for it. Tax them like everyone else that makes money.
How far does college football attendance drop after players begin their money grabbing.
The per-game national decline of 1,629 fans in 2021 is the steepest ever, a 3.93% drop from 2019. The NCAA did not compile attendance statistics from the COVID-19-impacted 2020 season for the first time since it began keeping overall attendance figures in 1948.
College football attendance declines for seventh straight season to lowest average since 1981. Even the best teams and conferences across college football saw attendance drops this season.
Nationally, the average attendance in 2021 was down 15%, more than 7,000 per game, from a record mark of 46,971 in 2008.
In this age of name image and likeness rights, the transfer portal and court battles, this serves as a reminder that the game is not too big to fail.
The 2022 CFP semifinals were the lowest rated since 2014.
Rights holders are paying millions of dollars so they can dictate those kickoff times. Games start in the most advantageous windows for networks to show ads and get ratings, thus recouping the millions they pay for those rights.
In that case, it seems like the in-person fan is almost a secondary consideration.
College football attendance declines for seventh straight season to lowest average since 1981
Even the best teams and conferences across college football saw attendance drops this season
www.cbssports.com
With high gas prices, thanks to dumbest president ever Joe Biden, and long drives of 3-4-5 hours across some states the attendance could fall even more drastically. Thing is will media continue dropping or rise.
I am 100% certain that any and all money changing hands is being taxed, except in the case of millionaires and billionaires and corporations. Why is it a concern whether or not that private money is being taxed? What does that have to do with playing football or basketball games?
No, I want the tax exempt status removed from these universities. Tax both players and schools. If we’re gonna treat it as a business, then by damned tax them. Pay them. Screw the loophole NIL and force these schools to put the kids on their payrolls. It’s not amateur anymore. Force a separation of the NCAA and these D1 schools.The actual game has already changed.
First with transfer portal (see the 3,000 athletes in portal which about 20% will find a new team)
Only 27.6% of players that have entered the transfer portal have found new teams.
Next the NIL = legalized cheating as former rules are being broken because alums are the ones paying millions to get top players.
You want the player to make money then schools should pay a salary to the players. Strip their scholarship and make them pay for it. Tax them like everyone else that makes money.
How far does college football attendance drop after players begin their money grabbing.
The per-game national decline of 1,629 fans in 2021 is the steepest ever, a 3.93% drop from 2019. The NCAA did not compile attendance statistics from the COVID-19-impacted 2020 season for the first time since it began keeping overall attendance figures in 1948.
College football attendance declines for seventh straight season to lowest average since 1981. Even the best teams and conferences across college football saw attendance drops this season.
Nationally, the average attendance in 2021 was down 15%, more than 7,000 per game, from a record mark of 46,971 in 2008.
In this age of name image and likeness rights, the transfer portal and court battles, this serves as a reminder that the game is not too big to fail.
The 2022 CFP semifinals were the lowest rated since 2014.
Rights holders are paying millions of dollars so they can dictate those kickoff times. Games start in the most advantageous windows for networks to show ads and get ratings, thus recouping the millions they pay for those rights.
In that case, it seems like the in-person fan is almost a secondary consideration.
College football attendance declines for seventh straight season to lowest average since 1981
Even the best teams and conferences across college football saw attendance drops this season
With high gas prices, thanks to dumbest president ever Joe Biden, and long drives of 3-4-5 hours across some states the attendance could fall even more drastically. Thing is will media continue dropping or rise.
The NIL was more of a way for the modern day plantation owners (liberal universities by majority) to protect their tax exempt free labor than it was to incentivize the players/“students”. The OP has enlightened me this is gonna be a business. Let’s treat it as such. I wanna see worker’s compensation as well for injuries.
There was nothing “ liberal”about what has happened to the players except the progressive Rulings that freed them from the right wing ultra radical conservative idea that only the players earning the money should be restricted in the college sports world while everyone else took what they earned. Now it’s the same right wingers freaking out because their free Labor has some ” liberal” rights for a change.
Again NIL is NOT the schools, it’s outside the schools, conferences and NCAA. It is players being freed to make money just like everyone else can. Not from the schools or conferences or NCAA, those entities still keep every penny the athletes bring in for them.
Agree that athletic departments at universities should not have tax exempt status since clearly they are for profit enterprises.
Right wing ultra radical conservative idea? You’re really reaching lol. The majority of academia is liberal based ideology. How is this a right wing conservative idea? Conservatives want capitalism. Hence why I say let’s treat this as a business. Hiding under tax exempt status with NCAA amateurism protections so they don’t pay the kids is not anything relating to conservative viewpoints. Let’s stop the farce this is still about a student athlete. The definition of amateurism as a college athlete is about student first. They’re not real students. They’re posing as students. They’re employees of the school on a 4 year maximum work employment period minus pay. You can’t have it both ways. Strip away the ncaa protection and pay the kids. Skip the ******** class work mandations. Quit wasting their time with fake courses and quit lying to everyone.
Academia is faaar from “ liberal”, that’s simply the bs the radical right try to spread as they continue their attack on all American institutions in an effort to turn America into a Nazi state.
Right Wing views are why athletes were restricted in the first place. ” Liberals” are the ones who’ve fought for equality and fair wages for everyone while “ conservatives” work night and day to fight against that. Conservatives fight against unions, fair wages, equal wages, worker rights- all for “ corporate rights”- even declaring those people while dehumanizing actual people.
Just like in the regular workplace right wingers don’t want unionization, don’t want those creating the revenue to receive the revenue, instead want that revenue funneled to the top only. Don’t want the top earners paying their fair share or any share, just want everything going to a small number of people and only a small number of people having rights and control over everyone else.
Perfectly ok with a coach making $10,000,000 a year, but as soon as those creating that money get a piece it’s “ the entire system is ruined!”
If it had anything to do with progressive minds then athletes would never have been restricted in the first place and greedy schools, conferences would have penalties for treating these athletes like property with little to no compensation for their sacrifices. Conservatives cant Stand to see people of color who are a large part of the revenue earning sports, earning for their hard work and that obviously plays a large part of their being so upset over something that affects them in no way— actually arguing that ONLY football and basketball athletes should be restricted in what they can earn on their own, or restricted in movement when no one else is? Liberals have no part in creating that system or trying to maintain it.
I am pretty sure it wasn’t strictly conservatives who have had a vested interest in maintaining the status quo for this long. You think UC-Berkeley wants any part of competing with the SEC, or even simply with USC on the NIL front? Additionally there is a need to incentivize businesses from setting up shop in certain places, as well as incentivize them to hire people in that place. An example being $15 minimum wage has wrecked a lot of businesses and has low income job providers moving as fast as they can towards automation, on top of it being a driver towards inflation. So yes, the idea is good to make the fat cats at McDonalds “pay their fair share”, if it comes at the expense of jobs for the first time job seekers, or those with special needs or inability to handle “skilled labor” that now have nowhere to work, then it becomes a net negative on society.
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Minimum wage didn’t wreck anything. Corporate greed has wrecked everything. Companies keep getting radical righties to pass laws restricting everyone else’s wages while loading them up and keeping them from paying any taxes. Minimum wage increases to the standard of living would eliminate a huge amount of poverty and increase spending in the country tremendously. Companies aren’t moving because people earn more it’s because they want to keep making obscene profits and not paying people who create that profit— much like what is happening in college athletics, all because of right wing hate and ideology .
You never had a job in college? Not even summer job? I don't like the idea of them getting millions either but you can't deny them money from outside sources.
Not when I was playing football. I didn’t say outlaw it , just they shouldn’t because of the reasons I stated. I never knew any athlete that did.
You can though considering the vast majority of them are not going to strike it rich from their playing careers.
In the past few years we have doubled the minimum wage, and gave out a ton of stimulus money to the unemployed and non upper class citizens, and the end result is record homelessness, skyrocketing cost of living and now a recession.
As for “corporate greed”, that’s capitalism and what has allowed the US to become the economic powerhouse it is even today. All of the crying about them not paying their fair share, yet the places where these businesses choose to reside are the most prosperous places in the country, they are entitled to the tax breaks if they are employing a lot of people and raising the standard of living in the area.