Paddock Golf Thread part ###

[FargenBastich]

I play the ball down.
I putt out everything.
I take the proper penalty on OB's. I agree with you about a rule change for amateurs though.
I don't use mulligans.

I try to play by the rules as best I can. I would like to try some competitive golf so it's good practice to play that way.

 

[cawoodsct]

I may take 1 mulligan a round and that depends on who I am playing with and if they make me..

They put a :gun: to your head or something? How can you be made to take a mulligan?

 

[allabouttheUK]

I misunderstood the putting question. Yeah, I putt everything out. I like playing the game the way it's supposed to be played and not cutting corners to make myself look falsely good.

 

[allabouttheUK]

They put a :gun: to your head or something? How can you be made to take a mulligan?

[cheers]

 

[BBdK]

Nope. I spend enough a week just being able to play. Don't have the money to spend on lessons, and don't see the need for it as long as I am enjoying myself and know I'm not a pro, why bother? For me it's about getting outside and doing something I enjoy, not about being or pretending to be a PGA golfer.

Well, then you are completely wrong.

1.) Being lefty has nothing to do with anything when it comes to finding a teacher. Is Butch Harmon Left Handed (Phil) Is his new teacher?

2.) Youtube, lol.

Lessons have nothing to do with being a PGA golfer -- they are about learning how to play the game of golf and get MORE enjoyment out of it.

If you don't want to get better, that's fine. But your idea of a lesson, who they are for, and the benefits are completely off-base. Even 15 minutes with a teaching pro can make a world of difference.

 

[allabouttheUK]

Well, then you are completely wrong.

1.) Being lefty has nothing to do with anything when it comes to finding a teacher. Is Butch Harmon Left Handed? (Phil)

2.) Youtube, lol.

Lessons have nothing to do with being a PGA golfer -- they are about learning how to play the game of golf.

If you don't want to get better, that's fine. But your idea of a lesson, who they are for, and the benefits are completely off-base.

I respect your OPINION, thank you for sharing. [thumb2]

 

[BBdK]

Cool, but everything I said above is actually Fact. Learn the difference.

You are obviously ignorant about a lot of things golf...

 

[allabouttheUK]

Cool, but everything I said above is actually Fact. Learn the difference.

You are obviously ignorant about a lot of things golf...

Appreciate your input.

It's not that i'm ignorant unless you believe everyone that doesn't do things the way you do is ignorant...if so that's on you not me.

Fact - Phil learned the game of golf by watching and emulating the game of golf from his right handed father. He just did the mirror image of it. He is a natural right handed person...even swings a bat right handed.

Have a good one, B.B.D.K.


Could you recommend a school to teach me what a Fact is? That way we won't keep having this problem.

 

[BBdK]

Fact: If you are a left-handed golfer, you do not need to find a left handed teacher, especially as an amateur. Everyone knows that about Phil. He still SWINGS the club left handed, so that's irrelevant.

Fact: Lessons are not only for people "who want to pretend they are on the PGA Tour" -- nor are they expensive in many cases.


Again, you're ignorant.

 

[allabouttheUK]

Fact: If you are a left-handed golfer, you do not need to find a left handed teacher, especially as an amateur. Everyone knows that about Phil. He still SWINGS the club left handed, so that's irrelevant.

Fact: Lessons are not only for people "who want to pretend they are on the PGA Tour" -- nor are they expensive in many cases.


Again, you're ignorant.

Thanks for clearing all that up for me buddy. One man's cheap is another man's expensive. I do what I can with what I have. Guess that makes me ignorant. [thumb2]:smiley:

 

[MacCard]

I've never understood why someone trying to pick up the game or improve will just refuse to get a lesson. You see it all the time.

Is there any other sport where this occurs? I don't see a lot of guys that walk off the street and decide, "You know, I don't anything about this basketball thing but I think I'll just throw the ball at that circle a few times and see what happens." Most people would at least attempt to learn the rules and basic fundamentals. But in golf? Nah, just hand me a pinnacle and let's do this.

Most guys shooting around 100 could have 1 or 2 lessons and probably break 90 regularly. It's usually just one or two easy things that are keeping them from being somewhat competitive. For someone that is going to play fairly regularly, to me it's a no brainer.

 

[BBdK]

Yup. $30-$40 will knock 5+ strokes off any high handicapper nearly instantly. That's a waste of money though, need that new 460cc and some PROV1s!!!

 

[allabouttheUK]

Yup. $30-$40 will knock 5+ strokes off any high handicapper nearly instantly. That's a waste of money though, need that new 460cc and some PROV1s!!!

Where you finding lessons for $30-$40? If they were that cheap around here I would give it a shot. My game usually starts slow and then muscle memory starts kicking in around June and I'm back down in the low to mid 90's. Of course I have the occasional round where my head just isn't in it and it's horrible, but I would guess that happens to everyone.
I don't pick up a club in the winter time for several reasons, so everything I fixed in the summer and fall fades away with a 4 month lay off, but I'm ok with it.
I like my cheap bridgestones, and I don't buy expensive clubs either.

 

[ukwildcat2004]

Thanks for clearing all that up for me buddy. One man's cheap is another man's expensive. I do what I can with what I have. Guess that makes me ignorant. [thumb2]:smiley:

I guess I'm ignorant too cause I enjoy playing without lessons. I got a 15 minute session for Christmas one year as a gift. As whole I just enjoy playing and whatever happens. Don't get why people have to be snobby cause someone doesn't wanna spend the money for lessons.

 

[_Chase_]

Nice course that is hard to find if you don't know where to look. I played there last year and the greens were ridiculously fast. Plan on making it back there at some point this summer.

I also buy Pro V1x's from lostgolfballs. It's a great deal and the balls are mostly like new. There are a few logo balls that you will get, but they aren't the majority.

Shot 83 Sunday at Golf Club of the Bluegrass. Putter let me down all day. Missed a handful of good looks at birdie. Just a really meh round of golf.

We've played Rosewood the last two years on a golf trip. Really a pretty fun course, and the greens are always nice. Shot 67 there, which is my best round (to par), so I've got a soft spot for it.

 

[allabouttheUK]

I guess I'm ignorant too cause I enjoy playing without lessons. I got a 15 minute session for Christmas one year as a gift. As whole I just enjoy playing and whatever happens. Don't get why people have to be snobby cause someone doesn't wanna spend the money for lessons.

Same here man. I've never talked down to people that get lessons, I think it's great if it's what you want and can afford it. It doesn't work the other way though.

I'm just a lowly ignorant peasant, so what do I know.

 

[_Chase_]

It's one thing to not want lessons because you don't care how good you are. It's different to not want lessons because you are left handed and don't have access to a left-handed teacher. Those are two totally different reasons for not getting lessons. And the second reason is based purely on ignorance.

If you have no desire to get better, and just enjoy being outside, don't want to spend money on improving your game, etc...then that is totally fine, and I don't think anyone would say anything.

But...

Don't then say you don't want lessons because you can't find a lefty, then talk about wanting a newer driver.

 

[allabouttheUK]

It's one thing to not want lessons because you don't care how good you are. It's different to not want lessons because you are left handed and don't have access to a left-handed teacher. Those are two totally different reasons for not getting lessons. And the second reason is based purely on ignorance.

If you have no desire to get better, and just enjoy being outside, don't want to spend money on improving your game, etc...then that is totally fine, and I don't think anyone would say anything.

But...

Don't then say you don't want lessons because you can't find a lefty, then talk about wanting a newer driver.

Agreed. I said several times that I enjoyed being outside and didn't really have the desire to improve by game via lessons. I also said that money was also part of my reasoning as well. However, some decided to ignore those parts of my posts, and F.O.C.U.S. on my saying there weren't any left handed teachers or whatever the hell I said.

IF I were able to afford lessons, I would prefer to spend my money on someone who is left handed, that's just my preference. Don't know how many 2-4 handicappers have tried to give me tips on the course and the trip over themselves because everything is backwards to them. I would prefer to get my moneys worth if I did it and not worry about the instructor or I getting confused because we're backwards. Make sense? Didn't ask if it was factual or the logic of everyone else, just my preference.

 

[Tskware]

Well, then you are completely wrong.

1.) Being lefty has nothing to do with anything when it comes to finding a teacher. Is Butch Harmon Left Handed (Phil) Is his new teacher?

2.) Youtube, lol.

Lessons have nothing to do with being a PGA golfer -- they are about learning how to play the game of golf and get MORE enjoyment out of it.

If you don't want to get better, that's fine. But your idea of a lesson, who they are for, and the benefits are completely off-base. Even 15 minutes with a teaching pro can make a world of difference.

I play LH and I agree 100%.

 

[TruBluCatFan]

First time I played there back in the first of March, I dropped about a 120. Probably played 10 rounds there since. It's kind of amazing what getting to know a course and consistent range work can do.

Going to try out a different course before the rain starts today. Thinking about Picadome or Griffin Gate. This is one of the perks of working as a manager in retail... I'm off every Tuesday and the courses are never crowded dayside on a Tuesday.

On a side note, I need to invest in at minimum a new driver and maybe another hybrid... I see everyone talking about getting fitted and everything a few pages back, where do you recommend around Lex, guys? Is that really necessary?

Yes. Get fitted for a new driver. Finding the right driver with correct shaft for your swing speed and the right lie for you can make a big difference.

I like the Golf Exchange but I know folks who've been to Dicks and for fitted and recommend them.

Most places will do it for free if you buy the driver from them.

 

[allabouttheUK]

I'd love to get my clubs fitted. Maybe for my birthday...who knows.

 

[wildcatadam6]

Where you finding lessons for $30-$40? If they were that cheap around here I would give it a shot. My game usually starts slow and then muscle memory starts kicking in around June and I'm back down in the low to mid 90's. Of course I have the occasional round where my head just isn't in it and it's horrible, but I would guess that happens to everyone.
I don't pick up a club in the winter time for several reasons, so everything I fixed in the summer and fall fades away with a 4 month lay off, but I'm ok with it.
I like my cheap bridgestones, and I don't buy expensive clubs either.

Nope. Muscle memory is what happens in February/March, those first few times out. By June, your swing is not relying on muscle memory.

Are you sure you're not drunk or trolling us?

 

[RacerX.ksr]

I want all of you 120 guys to take at least one lesson, and here it is. Pay attention to what's going on around you. If there is a hole open in front of you and four guys come up on you, let them play through. If they caught you they are better than you, or at least faster. It will only take a few minutes of your time. Thank you.

 

[allabouttheUK]

It's one thing to not want lessons because you don't care how good you are. It's different to not want lessons because you are left handed and don't have access to a left-handed teacher. Those are two totally different reasons for not getting lessons. And the second reason is based purely on ignorance.

If you have no desire to get better, and just enjoy being outside, don't want to spend money on improving your game, etc...then that is totally fine, and I don't think anyone would say anything.

But...

Don't then say you don't want lessons because you can't find a lefty, then talk about wanting a newer driver.

I never said anything about a new driver.

 

[allabouttheUK]

Nope. Muscle memory is what happens in February/March, those first few times out. By June, your swing is not relying on muscle memory.

Are you sure you're not drunk or trolling us?

Hard for muscle memory to develop in February and March when I didn't pick up a club until April. I was always under the impression that muscle memory was developed through repetition...guess I truly am ignorant.

http://www.menshealth.co.uk/building-muscle/what-is-muscle-memory

http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/14351/1/What-Is-Muscle-Memory.html

 

[ukwildcat2004]

I want all of you 120 guys to take at least one lesson, and here it is. Pay attention to what's going on around you. If there is a hole open in front of you and four guys come up on you, let them play through. If they caught you they are better than you, or at least faster. It will only take a few minutes of your time. Thank you.

Noted. Thanks.

 

[_Chase_]

I never said anything about a new driver.

My fault. I thought that was you.

 

[allabouttheUK]

My fault. I thought that was you.

No problem. Don't need a new driver or any other new club, but the talk of getting clubs fitted has me wanting to get that done.

 

[RacerX.ksr]

You can pick up some good pointers off of youtube videos, if you are athletic enough to incorporate them into your swing without hands on guidance and a critical eye. The problem a lot of people have is that they have been swinging wrong for so long, that it feels to them that they are doing it right. Sometimes the ball does what they want it to do, but that's because you screwed up on your normal swing and managed to do something right in spite of yourself.

Do you slice? Put an empty plastic coke bottle just to the outside of your ball and about a foot behind it. Hit the ball without hitting the bottle. This will force you to stop coming over the top and promote an inside to outside swing.

The last thing to move in your backswing, should be the first thing to move in your downswing. For me the last thing to move is my left foot. It doesn't raise too much, but there is very little pressure left on it at the top of my swing. The downswing starts with replacing that pressure.

There you go. Golf is easy.

 

[catsfanbgky]

I think the problem people are having with your reasoning is that your reasoning sounds conflicted. The reason you do not want lessons are

1. You really just enjoy playing golf and do not have the extra cheese to spend on a game where you view it as just a recreational avenue and getting out of the house.

or

2. You can not find any left handed teachers thinking if you are a lefty, you have to have a left handed teacher.

YOU painted yourself into a corner by adding on reason. If you just stuck with "I do not have the money, nor care to spend it on a game I am just trying to enjoy" side you would have been fine. Throwing the lefty for a lefty for lessons is what done you in,,,, at least from what I gather. But in true Paddock fashion, deflect and stick to your guns until the very end, but I can see what got you.

 

[allabouttheUK]

I think the problem people are having with your reasoning is that your reasoning sounds conflicted. The reason you do not want lessons are

1. You really just enjoy playing golf and do not have the extra cheese to spend on a game where you view it as just a recreational avenue and getting out of the house.

or

2. You can not find any left handed teachers thinking if you are a lefty, you have to have a left handed teacher.

YOU painted yourself into a corner by adding on reason. If you just stuck with "I do not have the money, nor care to spend it on a game I am just trying to enjoy" side you would have been fine. Throwing the lefty for a lefty for lessons is what done you in,,,, at least from what I gather. But in true Paddock fashion, deflect and stick to your guns until the very end, but I can see what got you.

IF I could afford lessons I would prefer to have a lefty "teach" me. I didn't realize that I wasn't allowed to have multiple reasons for not getting lessons. Don't get why my preference is so horrible or "ignorant". Heck, I never even said I was against getting lessons. The entire argument made no sense to me, but I enjoyed watching people get bent out of shape over absolutely nothing...well at least nothing that concerned them anyway.

Oh...I never meant to imply that a righty couldn't teach me, or that I would HAVE TO HAVE a lefty teach me. My meaning was a personal preference and nothing more or nothing less.

 

[catsfanbgky]

Having said that, one thing I cannot stand is "good golf guy" trying to teach me while we are playing a nice, leisure, fun round. My cousin does this every GD time we play. "Hold your club this way", "swing like this." After the third hole I am like "dude touching shut up, we are holding people up because you are trying to be a damn club pro teacher, lets just play our round, have a few beers, and shoot the ****." I will very seldom play with him for this very reason. Once again, I shoot mid 80's and can play a fluid round not holding people up. I'm 48, it is a little late to work on becoming a scratch golfer. I neither have the time or patience to do so. "Besides I am a righty and all the club pros here a lefties."

 

[allabouttheUK]

Having said that, one thing I cannot stand is "good golf guy" trying to teach me while we are playing a nice, leisure, fun round. My cousin does this every GD time we play. "Hold your club this way", "swing like this." After the third hole I am like "dude touching shut up, we are holding people up because you are trying to be a damn club pro teacher, lets just play our round, have a few beers, and shoot the ****." I will very seldom play with him for this very reason. Once again, I shoot mid 80's and can play a fluid round not holding people up. I'm 48, it is a little late to work on becoming a scratch golfer. I neither have the time or patience to do so. "Besides I am a righty and all the club pros here a lefties."

[laughing] Nice

My brother used to do that a lot. He would critique every freakin swing I made and try to "help". I finally told him that I didn't care, that I was just there to have fun and catch up since we don't see each other that often anymore. He has since cut way back on the advice and we just cut up and have a good time now.

 

[RacerX.ksr]

I don't give golf course advice unless I'm asked for it. I'm usually playing for money and I count on you to take a wide stance and make a full shoulder turn and attempt to slow the club down to make that 20 foot chip shot to the pin.

 

[catsfanbgky]

Look I did not have a issue with your reason, IDRGAF what you do. But getting defensive and changing your reasons every post (now you preferred a lefty) it sure looks like a guy who has been caught in conflicting reasons and just keeps adding on (which is where the ignorant part came in). I mean if that is what you meant, you preferred a lefty, why didn't you say that ? Of course after BBDK grilled your ***, that is what you meant. Just own it, you are a hack, suck at golf, and do not have the cheese to get better, nor the knowledge of golf. Would be willing to bet you play in tennis shoes, nylon shorts and a 96 Bulls t-shirt. " I do not want to buy golf shoes, nor can I afford the extra $100 to buy them, golf shoes are not important anyway." Besides, I where size 14 and none of the Walmarts carry a 14."

 

[allabouttheUK]

Look I did not have a issue with your reason, IDRGAF what you do. But getting defensive and changing your reasons every post (now you preferred a lefty) it sure looks like a guy who has been caught in conflicting reasons and just keeps adding on (which is where the ignorant part came in). I mean if that is what you meant, you preferred a lefty, why didn't you say that ? Of course after BBDK grilled your ***, that is what you meant. Just own it, you are a hack, suck at golf, and do not have the cheese to get better, nor the knowledge of golf. Would be willing to bet you play in tennis shoes, nylon shorts and a 96 Bulls t-shirt. " I do not want to buy golf shoes, nor can I afford the extra $100 to buy them, golf shoes are not important anyway." Besides, I where size 14 and none of the Walmarts carry a 14."

Ok

Man you guys make a mountain out of a mole hill, all for the sake of what? Being right or better than? Sure we'll go with the I'm wrong and you guys are right, I mean that's what will make you all feel better so have at it.

All it would have taken was a simple question to my statement, but it was never asked. Rather than ask a question, its easier for some to ridicule and mock, rather than get clarification. It's no biggie to me, as I know my reasoning for what I do or don't do.

Wish I wore a 14, and never paid over $55 for my golf shoes.

 

[TruBluCatFan]

So anybody playing this weekend?

We still got some spots left in my scramble at Cherry Blossom on Friday. Get a foursome and come join us.

Or are we just going to keep beating the dead horse.

 

[_Chase_]

I've got a trip with my Dad, BIL, and some other guys from my hometown set up for this weekend at KY Dam Village, Mineral Mounds, and Boots Randolph. Really looking forward to it, although the forecast looks pretty awful right now. Hopefully someone brings poker chips and a deck of cards.

 

[allabouttheUK]

So anybody playing this weekend?

We still got some spots left in my scramble at Cherry Blossom on Friday. Get a foursome and come join us.

Or are we just going to keep beating the dead horse.

I might hit up Bright Leaf of Old Bridge this weekend, weather permitting of course.

Heard good things about Cherry Blossom but haven't made it up there to play yet.

I apologize for the dead horse.

 

[RacerX.ksr]

Speaking of dead horses,

Man and his wife go to play a round and on the first tee she goes up to the ladies tee while he hits from the white. His tee shot hits her in the head and kills her instantly. He tells the pro what happened and they call the police. Cop checks her over and says that, yes, she is dead. He also said they noticed a large bruise on her hip and could the guy explain that. He says "Oh yeah, that was my mulligan".