No offense (opposite of MS today), but how the f does one move a flood plain? You were joking, I hope? Otherwise, yikes. Money can not change a FP, the FP is what it is, the field was built on a lake many years ago with that condition. Silly talk.
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Not the flood plain, they should move the Field which can be done. Perhaps someone should be thinking about what land can be used rather than continue to make excuses why it can't be done.
The site at GBW is 95% built out until about 7 or 8 years ago they had to take a bus 2 miles down the road to Newton Park for practice until they were able to squeeze in a turf field across the street. There are no other options to move the field unless they want to build an off site stadium which would be pointless.
The field at GBW isn't that bad but it's not turf so people think it's garbage.
Clown this is not directed at you. So I did a little digging and looks like it can be done and for only a few extra 100k Canadian please see link below and stop making excuses why GW can't get a quality playing surface.
https://www.turfandrec.com/profiles/do-your-homework-before-building-a-synthetic-sports-field-3169
https://www.turfandrec.com/profiles/do-your-homework-before-building-a-synthetic-sports-field-3169
The field will always be an issue. My understanding is that the entire area would need to be raised 3-4 feet. Not an easy or cheap project. I would imagine they would need to install storm water vaults to satisfy requirements for storm water management agencies. The wealth of some of the residents does not necessarily mean the school district that supports four campuses has tons of money in the bank. It would likely have to go to referendum. They could play at the stadium at COD.
About the result of the game, that is the third time in two seasons that the Hitters have been manhandled at home. Maine South, Loyola and LT all were able to beat up west on both sides of the ball. We will see if Hetlett can make adjustments going forward or it could be 3-4 regular season losses. I tip my hat to Maine South and give both teams credit for using their non-conference games to test their squads. Good luck to the Hawks the rest of the way. Maybe a rematch will be in the cards in the 8A playoffs.
About the result of the game, that is the third time in two seasons that the Hitters have been manhandled at home. Maine South, Loyola and LT all were able to beat up west on both sides of the ball. We will see if Hetlett can make adjustments going forward or it could be 3-4 regular season losses. I tip my hat to Maine South and give both teams credit for using their non-conference games to test their squads. Good luck to the Hawks the rest of the way. Maybe a rematch will be in the cards in the 8A playoffs.
Silver,
Please read the link. If you can build on top of a swap in Ontario that is subject to 14" frost heaves and the run up is $200k Canadian, you can build on a stable surface that's only a flood plain for less. The issue is that the powers that be don't think it's an issue or may even feel it is a home field advantage.
Please read the link. If you can build on top of a swap in Ontario that is subject to 14" frost heaves and the run up is $200k Canadian, you can build on a stable surface that's only a flood plain for less. The issue is that the powers that be don't think it's an issue or may even feel it is a home field advantage.
Gotta think construction codes in DuPage county are a little more stringent than Ontario. You can not move a blade of grass in most suburbs without the approval of countless agencies. It's Illinois so politics have to be involved. This article makes it sounds like it is more expensive than the 200k
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...1_artificial-turf-field-hockey-football-field
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...1_artificial-turf-field-hockey-football-field
Edgy,
I guess we will see in the coming weeks. It wasn't your rating I was pointing to so much as the top 25 in the country rating. Early season rankings are always a crap shoot.
I guess we will see in the coming weeks. It wasn't your rating I was pointing to so much as the top 25 in the country rating. Early season rankings are always a crap shoot.
So I guess you've never been to Canada. Plenty of strick environmental controls in place in Ontario as well as politics. Remember there is an exchange rate to consider as well that fluctuates typically from $0.60-$0.85 on the US dollar.
Helps to know the facts before you pound the keys, but I guess you seem to believe everything can be answered by your Googling. Your knowledge is so lacking it is embarrassing that you actually post it here for public consumption.
It's not just a matter of installing the turf on a given surface, you have completely removed the flood plain component to the argument. And that is and has been the issue with Duchon. Your argument is not apples to apples, nor even apples to oranges, it's apples to dog droppings. It's like equating the purchase price of a vehicle is the downpayment ignoring the 60 months of monthly payments.
The last serious consideration to turfing Duchon was 2012, and the District 87 Super put out the following statement.
"I recently received communication from residents expressing concerns with information they have heard/received regarding Duchon Field. There has been a hydrology study done regarding the drainage problems of the site. The engineer’s study found that only significant and costly site modification could remedy the flooding on Duchon Field. The Park District and Village of Glen Ellyn are not interested in pursuing a flooding remedy/project at this time. The position of the administration and Glenbard West administrative team is that we cannot control the flooding unless we partner with the Park District, the Village and the DuPage County Drainage Engineers. We will work to address this in the future. However, we are not in favor of installing synthetic turf on Duchon Field. The cost of such a project would be in excess of $3,000,000. There are several instructional and facility priorities that need attention should additional funding become available. My position is to make sure the residents understand that we have no interest in pursuing turf at this time."
That was 5 years ago, the costs today would be greater.
Duchon Field was built on top of the existing lake, it rests on fill, as part of the plan it was intended to serve as watershed. Lake Ellyn drains into the DuPage River, which flows into the Des Plaines river, which flows into the Kankakee River west of Channahon to form the Illinois River, which is a tributary of the Mississippi River.
In 2012, meetings revealed such an endeavor would take a minimum of 10 years, 4 years for the initial study alone, and would require the involvement of over 40 local, county, state and federal government entities including 4 counties, the 16 municipalities of the East Branch and the 21 of the West Branch. It would also involve the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, FEMA, the DuPage County Stormwater Management Planning Committee, the DuPage River Watershed Coalition, and more.
Google away.
So I guess the loss from yesterday is still stinging a bit! I have read through your gospel passage and it is amazing. So if the current site is not suitable and would require all of the said interaction and inclusive of FEMA of all groups, then it should be returned to its former wetlands status and moved to a suitable site, even through condemnation if necessary. Kinda like the way mayor Daley got rid of Migs Field.
I'm not a Hitter, so nothing stinging here other than my dissection of your posts. Amazing? Yes, thank you, facts and logic can work that way.
I don't think anyone stated the site isn't suitable...why is that, because it appears brown on the stream. Football on grass baby.
Thanks for the laughs!
You dissected nothing, you made claims without citation. Of all government agencies that you could have claimed needing envolvement why on earth would you claim FEMA.
Furthermore you claim on one hand how all these agencies would need oversight and on the other that it's a perfectly suitable site, which is it? If it's really riddled with so many issues, return it to its natural state.
My claim about the color of the grass was a little poking in jest since Capn claimed it looked like the lush rough at, I believe, the US open or some such golfing event. That said this field is notorious for pitiful playing conditions late in the season and is often a muddy or frozen mess in November.
Furthermore you claim on one hand how all these agencies would need oversight and on the other that it's a perfectly suitable site, which is it? If it's really riddled with so many issues, return it to its natural state.
My claim about the color of the grass was a little poking in jest since Capn claimed it looked like the lush rough at, I believe, the US open or some such golfing event. That said this field is notorious for pitiful playing conditions late in the season and is often a muddy or frozen mess in November.
Truthfully, for a program with such a rich tradition I was disappointed after the big build up of the great "Duchon" field.
Outside of the lake and the absolutely awesome house with a view, the stands and field itself were not what I would have expected given the neighborhood. And boy the neighborhood is beautiful!
I will say the hosts were most gracious by putting a makeshift concession stand on our side.
All in all a beautiful downtown and setting...
Judging the venue itself for its purpose.. not impressed.
Outside of the lake and the absolutely awesome house with a view, the stands and field itself were not what I would have expected given the neighborhood. And boy the neighborhood is beautiful!
I will say the hosts were most gracious by putting a makeshift concession stand on our side.
All in all a beautiful downtown and setting...
Judging the venue itself for its purpose.. not impressed.
Phew, hard to keep up as you run away from each argument, “move the flood plain, move the field, only 200K to turf over it, exchange rate, not suitable site”…yikes.
Where to start, well, er…
First, the jump in logic that Duchon being on a flood plain, therefore has to be replaced, is quite a leap. I never “claimed” it a perfectly suitable site, nice try though. Everyone agrees, the field is poor, in bad shape by November and once every 10 years, a flood covers it…on the rare occasion the field was (is) unsuitable, an alternative venue is used.
This is not a new problem, and if there was land or a solution, it would have been solved years ago. (Or maybe you can find a magical solution on Google?)
Second, I made no “claims,” I provided you facts. Sorry, deal with it. Removing a floodplain that leads to the watershed I previously described, would involve (I did not use “oversight”) many entities. I passed on what I learned, ignore it if you want.
On cost, here is a Daily Herald story circa 2008, putting the cost at $3.1 million.
http://prev.dailyherald.com/story/?id=259221&src=40
Third, FEMA’s mission is “to lead America to prepare for, prevent, respond to and recover from disasters.” Note the “prepare for and prevent.”
On prevention, FEMA is proactive to mitigate flooding before it happens, like when they granted DuPage County $2.7 million in 2015 to reduce risk in East Branch DuPage River floodplain, example, here:
https://www.fema.gov/news-release/2015/03/19/fema-awards-2781435-grant-dupage-county
In addition, FEMA is involved in initial study phase, like a cost feasibility study, to evaluate possible solutions, including floodwater storage, levees or floodwalls, diversion channels or channel modifications, flow control structures, flood-proofing, structure elevations and buyouts.
They coordinate with local and state agencies, research, identify and prioritize high-risk areas, and develop possible structural and non-structural alternatives to address flooding. Their focus is on issues that impact flooding at homes and businesses, access to emergency services and critical facilities during flood events.
School is out. Gospel is over. Amen.
And like a complete moron, with about 20 Edgy pages open on my phone... I posted this in the wrong thread. My apologies for my obvious mistake:
While everyone piles on Jwar... and it should be noted that he and I have been less than friendly in the past, I do agree with him on the basic principle.
Regardless of all of the rhetoric about studies and engineers, I can definitely say that the venue for what it's intended for is definitely well below it's hype.
Beautiful setting... yes.. let the little kids play in the goose crap
Beautiful lake
Beautiful neighborhood
Awesome school grounds...
Mayberry at its finest for sure....
Now take all of that away, and rate:
1. The Field ( burned out in August already)
2. The Stands. Smaller than average and a LAME press box
3. The Parking. (Good thing its Glen Ellyn and not A CPS venue
4. And disturbingly weird, the lack of end zone play clocks..
As a venue for post cards, and romance for recruiting, I give it an 11
As a football field. 4
Regardless of the whatever's... jwars position is correct in that if you can't fix it... move it!
While everyone piles on Jwar... and it should be noted that he and I have been less than friendly in the past, I do agree with him on the basic principle.
Regardless of all of the rhetoric about studies and engineers, I can definitely say that the venue for what it's intended for is definitely well below it's hype.
Beautiful setting... yes.. let the little kids play in the goose crap
Beautiful lake
Beautiful neighborhood
Awesome school grounds...
Mayberry at its finest for sure....
Now take all of that away, and rate:
1. The Field ( burned out in August already)
2. The Stands. Smaller than average and a LAME press box
3. The Parking. (Good thing its Glen Ellyn and not A CPS venue
4. And disturbingly weird, the lack of end zone play clocks..
As a venue for post cards, and romance for recruiting, I give it an 11
As a football field. 4
Regardless of the whatever's... jwars position is correct in that if you can't fix it... move it!
Not sure what part of "moving it is not an option" is not resonating with people here. Easy to propose a solution that can not be accomplished. The position is fallacious, period.
Christ, can't you read? I have not read anyone defending the quality of the field, including myself. Read my previous freakin post next time before you hammer it out
Previously stated:
"Everyone agrees, the field is poor, in bad shape by November and once every 10 years, a flood covers it…on the rare occasion the field was (is) unsuitable, an alternative venue is used."
Previously stated:
"Everyone agrees, the field is poor, in bad shape by November and once every 10 years, a flood covers it…on the rare occasion the field was (is) unsuitable, an alternative venue is used."
I know 7 on 7s don't mean much but saw GBW a couple of times over the Summer and it didn't look like their typical team athleticism wise. There were some key moments in the game that really opened the flood gates for MS and their quarterback didn't get cramps.
In these days of political correctness am I allowed to make mention of the pot calling the kettle black?
I hear you are an acquired taste, and one which many never acquire.
PJJP,
If I wanted **** out of you I'd hit you in the head.
If I wanted **** out of you I'd hit you in the head.
I hear you are an acquired taste, and one which many never acquire.
Hold on. I paraphrased a quote from one of your former Naz brethren. And, as Mick Jagger opined: "You can't always get what you want".