Flood's poor recruiting, especially from two years ago , has really begun to hurt..Team speed on offense , especially at the wide receiver position , has really limited the offense. Rutgers lacks a Tim Brown type receiver who combines speed and quickness in addition to good hands.. Many thought Grant was that guy but it just hasn't panned out.
Past poor recruiting classes have hurt
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I agree with the premise that the recruiting has hurt . Hell its obvious . But this isn't the time to rag on grant . The guy was our offense today
grant is fine as a WR. The QB can't get him the ball because he's always inaccurate. The problem is with not having 2 other Caroo like WRs. Agudosi can't get any separation and catches poorly. He's like Brandon Coleman 2.0 (at least coleman got separation some of the time)
But the other 6 players that decommitted would've really helped
That class crushed Flood and the program. He needed to go right then
No ****. Some of us have been saying this for years but a lot of people here have had their heads in the sand and have been blindly believing in the crap job that Flood has been doing on the recruiting trail. Trying to fill the majority of classes with diamonds in the rough and under-recruited players is recipe for disaster. We are living proof of that.
Said it every year about Flood's recruiting. Fans claiming 1-2 great 2 stars when we needed 8-12 great 2 stars or a couple of 4 stars.
I've said this for 3 years straight. But apparently I'm "negative".
The problem is that if those 4 and 5 star players came here, they wouldn't develop into good players with these coaches.
Agreed... Coaching can do I lot.... they make the most out of the players they got.... and when they start overachieving, then it is recognized and then .. some here and there decide to come to RU.... not gonna happen with this staff. Send a signal soon and let recruits know we are serious about getting quality coaching..... I know it ruffles a few feathers, but damn... GSchiano is tons better then what we got and he would have been our Paterno (minus the scandal).
Some of us have been saying this for 3 years and getting yelled at lol..."hidden gems" my ***.
Recruiting is the lifeblood of any college football program and in that area Flood just doesn't cut it. By most accounts the players here enjoy playing for him but that only goes so far. He isn't the salesmen Schiano was and he doesn't have the charisma that the TV liked when Schiano roamed our sidelines. There was an energy and excitement behind the program that no longer exists.
Does it really matter if we have the number one class in the country and if Flood can't coach the kids up. With him sticking with Laviano and being pig headed just to topple his point. RU looks like a HS team out there playing against the powerful BIG 10 teams. We don't even look competitive out there. The OL is the darn problem....
Seems to be a big problem at PSU.
Lots of chatter on Gesicki on BWI. And Blacknall has been invisible. Not using this as an excuse or anything-just pointing it out. Schiano was great on developing defensive talent but not so much on offense.
Gesicki has had a few bad drops this year, but he's young. Saeed is a good wideout but is stuck behind three other four stars (Godwin/Hamilton/Lewis) this year, with two other four star speed specialist freshmen also leeching some snaps (Thompkins/Polk). Side effect of great recruiting - good players need to compete with other good players for snaps.
Here's what's really killing us IMO:
-LJ Liston
-Josh Klecko
-Don Bedell
-Kam Lott
-Bryant Gross-Armiento
-Jacob Kraut
-Nick Internicola
-Tyler Marini
-Sam Blue
-the summer fools
-Sidney Gopre
-Al-Kadir Ports
-the DE from DePaul
-Justin Herron
-Skai Moore
...wayyyyy too many flameouts (especially on D) and decommits in wayyyy to short a period of time.
Joe P.
-LJ Liston
-Josh Klecko
-Don Bedell
-Kam Lott
-Bryant Gross-Armiento
-Jacob Kraut
-Nick Internicola
-Tyler Marini
-Sam Blue
-the summer fools
-Sidney Gopre
-Al-Kadir Ports
-the DE from DePaul
-Justin Herron
-Skai Moore
...wayyyyy too many flameouts (especially on D) and decommits in wayyyy to short a period of time.
Joe P.
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I'm not picking on the kid, but when he has been in and had his chanced, Blacknall has not performed. He may not have had enough opportunities, and will be a star one day, but so far, he has not lived up to his star rating. Franklin's offense overall is terrible given his QB, receivers and Barkley. Just goes to show how important OL play is for a successful offense, and having great receivers, QB and RB can still result in mediocre results.
"... a few bad drops ...", LOL! Gesicki leads the nation in dropped passes, AND also has committed a ton of penalties. He cost PSU a chance at a 1st down yesterday with a movement penalty when they had 3rd down and less than a yard. Blacknall has been a major disappointment. Neither would have been the answer for this RU team, but nobody knew that when they were being recruited. BTW, word is that Blacknall isn't enjoying his time at PSU, look for him to transfer down a level next year.
Blacknall would be the second best receiver on your team behind only Carroo, but whatever makes you feel better about the flip...
The last thing I care about is the state of PSU football
Gee, really? Sone us around here I've been saying this for the last three years, and getting ripped about it, however, way too many people on this board listened to all the iself-proclaimed recruiting " experts," and their claims the last few years, of:
- practically every kid being "under the radar"
- or "hidden gems"
- to go along with "he doesn't have other P5 offers because he ended his recruiting or he hasn't reported them" lol!!!
Then there was this "gem" being tossed around during the off-season:
- "flood is one of the best talent evaluators in the nation"
Bottom line: recruiting has been flat-out lousy for 3 classes now and it shows. We have a serious lack of QUALITY depth almost everywhere.
- practically every kid being "under the radar"
- or "hidden gems"
- to go along with "he doesn't have other P5 offers because he ended his recruiting or he hasn't reported them" lol!!!
Then there was this "gem" being tossed around during the off-season:
- "flood is one of the best talent evaluators in the nation"
Bottom line: recruiting has been flat-out lousy for 3 classes now and it shows. We have a serious lack of QUALITY depth almost everywhere.
Many of us would complain about the lack of quality recruiting the last few years and we were basically told to shut up that stars and recruiting doesn't matter and that is about players wanting to be here. Well how is that working out ? Recruiting does matter and without horses we can't compete .
He'd be behind Grant and Patton, and possibly Agudosi, but if that makes you feel better about what busts he and Gesicki have been, so be it.
BTW, Lewis is another WR who has disappointed big time in Crappy Valley, but I'll give him this, he does throw a better ball than Hackenberg, LOL!
My few moments of college football joy came yesterday, watching Northwestern, behind a 2nd string QB and an oline devastated by injury, come back and beat PSU.
That's why I call BS on the premise of this entire thread. Go back and look at Northwestern's recruiting classes since 2012 compared to ours. They had comparable or lower rated classes. Lower when it comes to OL and DL. In 2012 we had the third rated recruiting class relative to the rest of the B1G. Explain to me how this is possible? I'll give you a hint: Politi used the word about a half dozen times in a recent article he wrote.
Oh, and where is that person (who shall remain nameless) who dug up all of the negative threads after last year's Maryland game? A late season win against USF as well as a late season win against Maryland has pretty much come back to bite us B1G time.
https://www.gofundme.com/FireFlood
Just sayin...if you are complaining we have a place for you to be heard. Spare $5 and vote.
Just sayin...if you are complaining we have a place for you to be heard. Spare $5 and vote.
Not only HAVE these poor classes hurt, the hurt is going to get a lot worse. Flood kept Schiano's last class. He had a good first year class and then they all walked out the door. We are in for at least 4 years of horrible football due to this recruiting. Does anybody really think things are going to get better as the last of Schiano's 2012 class starts graduating? This program has already become a rebuilding job. And the job is getting harder every year that Flood stays.
Yet they seem to ''grow'' out of the screen on our board with ''snide'' comments...talk about touchy.
Gesicki is having a rough year. He has been targeted 29 times this year and has 12 catches. What makes these stats even more eye popping is the fact that he has easily had the best passes thrown to him by Hack. I don't remember any of the throws to him being poorly placed or even contested. I guess the good news is that he finds a way to get wide open. The bad news is that he catches just over 40% of passes thrown to him. His blocking has also been suspect. Hopefully the light clicks but he is really struggling.
Honestly, I don't know what the deal is with Blacknall. You have to keep in mind that he got on the field the same time Godwin and Hamilton did and he has disappeared. I don't know if it is going to get better either as there has been a lot of chatter about Juwan Johnson and his potential.
I'd like to see the stats on the Gesicki penalties because I don't believe that to be true.
IMO Flood's punishment should be to coach the 2015 Rutgers team infront of 20k season ticket holders next season. We can't score a TD without Carroo in the lineup. Well, he leaves next year and so does our best OL and the entire O comes back. So what is going to be different?
Go take a look at how many guys from the 2013 and 2014 classes are not here. When you have 8-10 guys from each of the last two classes gone, that's a problem. These guys are gone for several reasons. They transferred, got kicked off, didn't qualify, or should have been playing at a lower level. The 2014 class has lost about 10 guys including the players who didn't qualify. When you sign 25 guys and less than 2 years later 40% of it is gone, you are not doing a good job. 2013 lost a lot of guys too (not counting the de-commits)