http://sports.yahoo.com/news/state-...-for-historical-saturday-071407980-ncaaf.html
We knew this tone was coming.
We knew this tone was coming.
Pat Forde's article...
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You'd think William Winter would know that it wasn't MSU keeping it's basketball team from playing in the NCAA tournament, but the state government. We had to defy the governor to finally play. Or maybe he does know and just says that so Ole Miss doesn't look like the only school with horrible racial history.
State Tax Collector, an office that he recommended to be abolished and before this gets too out of hand Gov Winter is a 91 year old man. He is also one of the finest if not the finest man that I know.
He said the same thing about the Colonists back when he was in the Continental Congress and Bill Minor covered King George for the London Times.
Mine was in the mid 90s. There was a small piece of pavement in the front, but it was so tore up that eventually the county put gravel on it as well. So technically mine was surrounded by gravel roads. I haven't been back since then, so it might be paved. I went to small one A academy. My school was literally surrounded by catfish ponds, bean fields, and a bayou. Nothing to be ashamed of either way.
Geez, it's like he refused to combine research with simple logic.
Take this:
The amount of African-American talent those schools missed out on before integration is staggering.
Walter Payton from Columbia. Lem Barney from Gulport. Willie Brown from Yazoo City. Jackie Slater from Jackson. They’re all in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. They all attended historically black colleges because the color barrier was unbroken or had just been tepidly broken at Ole Miss and State.
L.C. Greenwood of Canton. Harold Jackson of Hattiesburg. Jerome Barkum of Gulfport. Not Hall of Famers, but NFL standouts who played at HBCs or other small schools because the big programs in Oxford and Starkville weren’t recruiting black players yet.
Walter Payton graduated high school in 1971, Jackie Slater in 1972. By '71 we had already had Frank Dowsing and Robert Bell on the roster for two years (without a media guide from '71 I can't name others). Heck, Dowsing was picked in the '73 NFL draft. He's got a point on the rest, but we had shots at two of the biggest names on his list. Obviously Sherrill would also tell him we tried to land McNair.
Take this:
The amount of African-American talent those schools missed out on before integration is staggering.
Walter Payton from Columbia. Lem Barney from Gulport. Willie Brown from Yazoo City. Jackie Slater from Jackson. They’re all in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. They all attended historically black colleges because the color barrier was unbroken or had just been tepidly broken at Ole Miss and State.
L.C. Greenwood of Canton. Harold Jackson of Hattiesburg. Jerome Barkum of Gulfport. Not Hall of Famers, but NFL standouts who played at HBCs or other small schools because the big programs in Oxford and Starkville weren’t recruiting black players yet.
Walter Payton graduated high school in 1971, Jackie Slater in 1972. By '71 we had already had Frank Dowsing and Robert Bell on the roster for two years (without a media guide from '71 I can't name others). Heck, Dowsing was picked in the '73 NFL draft. He's got a point on the rest, but we had shots at two of the biggest names on his list. Obviously Sherrill would also tell him we tried to land McNair.
It was actually better than I expected. It did point out the real struggles that OM and State face. However, I thought it put the current coaches in a good light.
With that said, I really wish national media would let the past go. Does everyone really enjoy reading about how racist the state of Mississippi used to be?
With that said, I really wish national media would let the past go. Does everyone really enjoy reading about how racist the state of Mississippi used to be?
First of all, he is from Colorado, so I assume he is a pro-dope liberal, the anti-Mississippi man. Second of all, he is a 50 year old man writing a column for 60+ year old readers.
Yes, Pat, the MS you grew up knowing is very different than the MS of today. I realize its hard to believe that there are dozens of things that makes MS better than Colorado. And at the top of the list, we raise kids better than y'all do. And ESPN kicked you out to go work at Yahoo basically because you are who you are, so there's that.
Yes, Pat, the MS you grew up knowing is very different than the MS of today. I realize its hard to believe that there are dozens of things that makes MS better than Colorado. And at the top of the list, we raise kids better than y'all do. And ESPN kicked you out to go work at Yahoo basically because you are who you are, so there's that.
EVERYONE wanted McNair. He conveniently glossed right over that part, and the thing is the real story actually makes McNair seem like an even bigger legend than he is.
Stud safety turns down virtually every school in the south, including F$U in Bowden's prime, to play QB for a HBCU? C'mon. If that happened today every beatwriter in America would be trying to interview that kid.
He also insinuates that Favre wasn't the greatest fluke in the history of football. He averaged 4 throws a game his senior year of high school and was a backup safety at USM before injuries on the depth chart made him play QB.
I get what he's saying, Rice and Payton were just terribly evaluated. Some of those could have gone either way though. A lot have. For every McKinney or Tubby there's a Brandon Holloway.
Stud safety turns down virtually every school in the south, including F$U in Bowden's prime, to play QB for a HBCU? C'mon. If that happened today every beatwriter in America would be trying to interview that kid.
He also insinuates that Favre wasn't the greatest fluke in the history of football. He averaged 4 throws a game his senior year of high school and was a backup safety at USM before injuries on the depth chart made him play QB.
I get what he's saying, Rice and Payton were just terribly evaluated. Some of those could have gone either way though. A lot have. For every McKinney or Tubby there's a Brandon Holloway.
You see
everyone likes to make themselves feel better by hiding their racist past by pointing at ours. "Well yeah we were just as racist...bbbut MISSiSsIppI!!1!"
everyone likes to make themselves feel better by hiding their racist past by pointing at ours. "Well yeah we were just as racist...bbbut MISSiSsIppI!!1!"
Best part of the article was Mullen mentioning all the players from Mississippi who have gone under the radar and how he stresses to his coaches not to leave any stone unturned in the state. That is one of the big reasons why the program is on a serious upswing. All these lightly recruited players like a Benardrick McKinney and (originally) Chris Jones who Mullen was on early and projected to be great SEC players have blossomed into NFL talent.
The MS he knew growing up was just like Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, and even some Midwestern states. It really bothers me that the only state that seems to be absolutely synonymous with the struggles in the 60s is Mississippi. We were far from the only state with racial barriers an struggles, yet whenever someone talks about MS (in the media, especially), it seems to be a prerequisite that past struggles must be brought up to remind everyone that we had them. They sure as hell don't do this with Alabama or Georgia... Or hell, Kent State in Kentucky for that matter...
LET IT THE 17 GO.
LET IT THE 17 GO.
State Education Rankings: MS-48th, CO-#4. Yep, we the best... And some would say that Yahoo Sports is a MUCH better investigative organization than ESPN. I do not want to kill your rant, Bluto Blutarsky... But, just stick to what we know. Forde is a douche. (not because he is from Colorado or might be a liberal or might work at yahoo). There. Just stick with that...
I largely agree with your point, because there were many Southern states that have horrible racial past. However, Mississippi does bring a lot of this on itself. The state flag still has the Confederate 'Stars and Bars' on it, and the University of Mississippi's entire existence is tied to a pre Civil War, Old South mentality. They can try to run from it by changing their mascot to a bear and banning Confederate flags from the stadium, but they will never leave it behind. They can't. It's part of them and always will be. The band still plays "Dixie", the students still shout "the South will rise again" and the nickname of the university comes from what slaves called the master's wife. You can't help but look at the University of Mississippi and think of segregation and Old South mentality. It's a part of them, and since they are the university in the state most people think of when they think of Mississippi, it's what is broadcast to the nation.
FYI. It isn't the 'stars and bars' on the MS flag...
Its the confederate battle flag. The stars and bars looks like this LINK
Which incidentally is the stripe and color scheme for the GA state flag. I think the real issue with the battle flag is not its use by the CSA but its adoption by those who militantly opposed the civil rights movement and its use by racist hate groups.
Its the confederate battle flag. The stars and bars looks like this LINK
Which incidentally is the stripe and color scheme for the GA state flag. I think the real issue with the battle flag is not its use by the CSA but its adoption by those who militantly opposed the civil rights movement and its use by racist hate groups.
Uh Gov Winter, assuming you were quoted correctly, I must point out to you that MSU didn't keep our basketball team from participating in the NCAA tournament in the 60s. It was a state government overwhelmingly populated with UM graduates and a UM alumnus governor.
MSU has unfortunately suffered much collateral damage from UM's bigoted history.
IMO, Colorado is a better state to live in than MS. I have lived in both and love both states.
You hate Forde, I get it..
Thank you for correcting me. I didn't realized the difference.
I completely agree that the Confederate battle flag is considered toxic because it was used by the Klan and other hate groups (as well as Southern state government officials in the 50s and 60s) as a rallying flag behind their racism and bigotry. It is much like the swastika. There is nothing wrong with the swastika symbol itself. I believe it is a symbol for good luck or something like that. But since the Nazis used it as their symbol, it is off limits. When people see the Confederate battle flag on Mississippi's state flag, it brings back memories of the Jim Crow south. Georgia had the same problem and corrected it by changing their flag. Mississippi so far has been too stubborn to do that.
Edit to add: I 'm not intending for this to turn into a debate about the Mississippi state flag. I'm sure some on here have differing opinions than mine. I'm just pointing out the reasons I believe as to why Mississippi is always looked at as the poster child for poor racial history. Some may disagree with me, but that's ok too.
I completely agree that the Confederate battle flag is considered toxic because it was used by the Klan and other hate groups (as well as Southern state government officials in the 50s and 60s) as a rallying flag behind their racism and bigotry. It is much like the swastika. There is nothing wrong with the swastika symbol itself. I believe it is a symbol for good luck or something like that. But since the Nazis used it as their symbol, it is off limits. When people see the Confederate battle flag on Mississippi's state flag, it brings back memories of the Jim Crow south. Georgia had the same problem and corrected it by changing their flag. Mississippi so far has been too stubborn to do that.
Edit to add: I 'm not intending for this to turn into a debate about the Mississippi state flag. I'm sure some on here have differing opinions than mine. I'm just pointing out the reasons I believe as to why Mississippi is always looked at as the poster child for poor racial history. Some may disagree with me, but that's ok too.
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I agree with all this. For all the publicity Ole Miss received for segregation, USM was worse. Infinitely worse. Most people my age don't know that, and aside from the part where no one gives a **** about USM, a big part of why is they've never flown the Old South card.
When Jameis Winston got up on that table a couple of weeks ago and yelled what he yelled, the consensus was that, while it's not appropriate regardless, you can't say things like that if you've ever been accused of rape. I think that's the perfect way to describe Ole Miss. You have a well documented history or racism, and while calling yourselves Rebels and using "Ole Miss" isn't great to begin with, when you put the two together you get completely warranted pieces like this one calling you racist 50 years later.
And I'm sorry, we're in it together. Their our counterpart as much as we're theirs.
The Missisippi State University was a haven of racial harmony in a Sea of Racism
If James Meredith had tried to integrate The Mississippi State University, we'd have welcomed him with open arms.
When Ole Miss alum Ross Barnett and the Ole Miss-dominated State legislature tried to keep Our Basketball team from competing for National Championships, Our Team managed to get out of the State to compete.
BTW, why can't sportswriters write a sports story about Mississippi or Mississippi State without trying to sound like some pseudo-intellectual Sociologist trying to gain entre' onto the Algonquin Round Table?
If James Meredith had tried to integrate The Mississippi State University, we'd have welcomed him with open arms.
When Ole Miss alum Ross Barnett and the Ole Miss-dominated State legislature tried to keep Our Basketball team from competing for National Championships, Our Team managed to get out of the State to compete.
BTW, why can't sportswriters write a sports story about Mississippi or Mississippi State without trying to sound like some pseudo-intellectual Sociologist trying to gain entre' onto the Algonquin Round Table?
Forde probably screwed it up. He apparently doesn't own a voice recorder.
Winter probably said, "and the Mississippi State government prevented the Bulldogs from playing in the national tournament."
Dak's expression might mean he's thinking "how long does it take to write D-A-K P-R-E-S-C-O-T-T; why doesn't he have a voice recorder like all the media down here?"
Winter probably said, "and the Mississippi State government prevented the Bulldogs from playing in the national tournament."
Dak's expression might mean he's thinking "how long does it take to write D-A-K P-R-E-S-C-O-T-T; why doesn't he have a voice recorder like all the media down here?"