Just out of curiosity, what do people feel Duke needs to do down the stretch to ensure a 1 seed? Will it require a win @ UNC and a decent run in ACCT? An ACCT championship? Duke already has a resume that stacks up with anyone's as far as quality wins, but what do they need to do to close things out?
Path to a 1 Seed
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To add to that, I think there is a designation to be made between earning a 1 seed, and earning the East #1, which is what Duke would want.
I think our path is much easier than people think. The committee will account for a loss against Syracuse without Tre or Cam. The committee will account for losses against UNC and Tech without Zion. Our resume is extremely impressive. The easiest path is a win @ UNC. I think that would lock up a 1 seed. Win out and we are the #1 overall seed without a doubt.
If we beat Carolina in Chapel Hill I suspect that would lock up a one for us regardless of what happens in the ACC Tournament.
If we lose in Chapel Hill but make the ACC Tournament finals I think that would do it also. I don't think we'd necessarily have to win it--that'd help of course--but that coupled with our overall body of work and the Zion injury factored in I think would do it.
If we lose in Chapel Hill but make the ACC Tournament finals I think that would do it also. I don't think we'd necessarily have to win it--that'd help of course--but that coupled with our overall body of work and the Zion injury factored in I think would do it.
My impression without doing all the historical analyses is that the committee pretty much decides the #1 seeds before the conference tournaments. So we need to win out until then. That will equalize things with the Cheaters and we have a more impressive record (especially in view of the 3 tainted losses) than they do. But it has to start with winning the rest of the ACC schedule or there's no one to blame but ourselves.
We don’t look like trash but we aren’t nearly as dominant without Zion. We didn’t lose to Wake or BC or Tech, we lost to a top 4 team in the ACC who is also ranked who also was the home team. Conference road games are never easy, especially to a non bottom feeder.
You don’t think we looked like trash last night ? Not sure what you watched but I wish it would of been on my tv!
Trash is a dumb word to use ever, but that isn’t relevant. If we are going to use it, trash is better suited for the effort we gave against Louisville during the first 31 minutes. We didn’t play our best but we also were tied with 1:30 left last night on the road agaisnt a ranked team. Trash is not the right word.
To earn the a 1 seed we need to win the last 3 and the first game in the acc tourney. To get the 1 in the east we need to win out
Everyone realizes we have 1 loss at full strength right?? We are the overall #1 seed STILL as long as the commitee knows Zion is playing.
Zion comes back, we win at UNC. We don't even have to win the ACC tournament, and were still gonna be the 1 seed in the East. We swept UVA, game over. It will take A LOT for them to jump us.
Zion comes back, we win at UNC. We don't even have to win the ACC tournament, and were still gonna be the 1 seed in the East. We swept UVA, game over. It will take A LOT for them to jump us.
I wouldn't say we look like trash but we aren't putting complete 40 minute games together. Outside of @UVA and playing UK I cant remember really be blown away by our performance granted that's not going to happen every game. But even at home against State wast an impressive win imo
Here's a telling stat:
We're 3-3 without a full cast
21-1 when all of our starters are playing
Give me a fully healthy team, and I like our chances, 1 seed or not.
We're 3-3 without a full cast
21-1 when all of our starters are playing
Give me a fully healthy team, and I like our chances, 1 seed or not.
I still don’t get why y’all are so keen on getting this one seed. It truly doesn’t matter. At full strength we are undefeated in true road games. We can play away from home if need be. When we have everybody healthy we are the best team in the country.
We have maybe the 2 best players in the country. The issue is we have not played good since we beat Virginia. Zion played against Louisville.
Yes, we can win it all, but everyone not named Zion and RJ have to be better than they've shown.
Yes, we can win it all, but everyone not named Zion and RJ have to be better than they've shown.
If we're a 2 seed in Kentucky's bracket, we'd have to play them in Louisville.
Or we'd be a 2 seed in Gonzaga's bracket out west, a bracket we rarely do well in.
Would either be winnable? Of course.
But I'd much rather be a 1 seed.
We beat Virginia in Virginia. I’m not worried about those two. I rather a difficult path so we truly earn it and show we have one of the best teams. In 2015 we played 5 teams that were ranked in the top 25 to win the tournament
It is definitely not the "end all, be all," but there is no debating that traditionally it helps to come from the 1 line. 13 of the 19 champions this century have been 1 seeds, and Duke has been a 1 seed in 4 of the 5 championships K has won. A few years ago when UNC won, they got a 1 seed with 7 losses, and I would be hard-pressed to think that didn't help them out on their path.
Duke can absolutely win the title from the 2 line, but I would much rather be a 1.
To each his own. I'd rather have the least difficult road to the Final Four as possible. We've already proven how good we are, and we'd get ample competition once we got there.
Yes fans would rather have a less difficult road but the players aren’t thinking about that. They’re thinking about beating whoever is in front of them
I think we’re basically a one lock unless we have an absolute collapse. If I had to give a team other than us the overall one seed right now it would be UK. I don’t trust Virginia UT or Gonzaga. It’s Duke or UKs to win at this point in the season.
The only way that I can see us nor getting either the overall #1 seed or a #1 seed in general would be if we were to lose another 1 or 2 games in the regular season and lose in the ACCT.
Unc lost to UVA, U of L, and ky......we beat all three of those teams. UVA only had two losses, both to us. Ky lost to seton hall and Alabama, both who have very unimpressive records in their conferences. Our worst loss is probably Syracuse, without the best player in the country. If we aren't a 1 seed no matter what happens at unc and in the ACCT, I'll be shocked.
If we beat them, then the sun will seem a little brighter. Yes, we are a much better and different team with Zion, but this frustration, or at least mine, is made worse by the fact that they are playing good ball right now, and we aren't. It's past time for some guys to play to their expectations.
To keep the one seed, we need to win out our next 3 games, making a statement in beating the Holes. Beating them is a must, it would be like a kick in the nuts to lose to them twice, and watch them become a 1 seed and us to fall.
We haven't seen a board melt down, yet. If we lose to them again, we will.
In not so sure. "If" we lose that game to them, but win the ACCT, or maybe even if we just make the finals, I think we are still a 1.....not the overall 1, but still a 1. I could be wrong of course, but with our resume, including beating UVA twice, I still think we are in. Someone did say that they think the 1 seeds are decided before the conference tournaments. I'm not sure if that's the case or not. If it is, that's could change things. I hate losing to unc as well. But in the end, if we win it all. I don't care anymore. Without looking it up, I don't remember how we did against them in 2010, but I remember the natty!
Let's just kick their butts in the 9th and make this a mute point
The rivalry has swings- quietly and unfortunately we are on the low end of the swing right now. 3 of 4 is insane with the talent we’ve had. This years group is different, last years seemed different as well but as a rule - Roy’s system by TOTAL DEFAULT seems to be clicking with a nice blend. That said Coby White is the key, Johnson a close second. F Bird Maye- Him putting 30 on us is embarrassing... I’m not sure he’s coordinated enough to bag groceries.
We won’t Lose at UNC
We won’t Lose at UNC
Again, this. Why do folks think getting the 1 seed in the south with UK as the 2 playing in Louisville would be anything but an unmitigated disaster? If UK wins out, which is no mean feat with a game in Knoxville and a tough SECT, they would get the 1 seed in the south, pushing us to the 1 seed in the Midwest probably with MSU or UM or even KU as our 2s and 3s. That would be better than being number 1 in the south with UK as our 2.
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Welcome to a world where we are now pulling for UK to win out so they get the 1 seed in the south, pushing us to 1 in the west. Maybe UT if they won out would get the 1 seed in the south. If that happens, we are playing the Midwest with UK as our 2 in Kansas city, which isn't a huge drive for UK.
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There is a strong chance that if UK isn't a 1 seed, they are our 2 seed, and I'd prefer for that to happen outside of Louisville.
No. We want the SOUTH region. 1st / 2nd rounds in FL and SC. East puts us in CT and Ohio.
The East Region is SC/Washington DC. The South Region is FL/Louisville.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/march-madness-dates-tournament-schedule
I didn't think the 1st/2nd round sites were tied to a specific regional. I thought highest seeds got geographic preference for the 1st/2nd round independent of what regional they would be in
They are. I just meant what would logically be Duke's placement in those first two rounds should they earn a 1 seed (Duke's likely geographic preference).