Patterson-- For some reason

[DiamondReb]

regardless of the reason, whatever it may be, the fact that he doesn't want to or eventually won't sign with MSU is not a reason to trash talk him like everyone on this board does. Reporters call and he's expected to give a reason for not wanting to go there. </p>

Do you honestly believe that MSU has the players right now to run that system and be anywhere near as good as florida. Of course you don't. Why should he believe he will have success immediately?</p>

He committed off the cuff. A WCO is much more a pro style offense where a receiver of his size is more likely to fit in. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there. </p>

Again I think you giving all the credit to Dan. I doubt Meyer was hands off with Tebow. What is the knock on Tebow as far as the draft goes? His passing ability. </p>

Chris Leak was a junior when Mullen arrived. I doubt he had that much of an affect on him. He was the number one highschool QB in the nation and didn't get drafted got cut after one preseason then went to Canada and got cut. He's not really one to build a resume on. </p>

And again Meyer is an offensive guy. I'm sure he's very involved in all aspects of that offense.</p>

 

[Fratrebel]

So you were told by someone Mullen wasn't impressed with Pattersons performance in the AA bowl? Here is what Allen Wallace had to say about Pattersons performance.

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Posted: 1/9/2009 9:52 PM
Re: Allen Wallace

I based my elevated ranking of Patterson on his sterling performance in the Army AA game, a very small glimpse into his overall record of performance.

I didn't see any of his AA game practices, so I can't evaluate him from that vantage point.

For purposes of SuperPrep magazine, I ranked Patterson as a Pre-Season All-America and the No. 25 WR in the country.

When it all shakes out and it's time for final rankings, Patterson will be a top five WR prospect in the nation for me personally.
Allen Wallace
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[Fratrebel]

Damn, you're making this complicated.

*Patterson commits to MSU
*Croom gets Croomed
*MSU hires what many consider one of the top OCs in the nation.
*Patterson decommits because he doesn't like MSUs offense?

Let's see...he committed when we were running the nations 100+ offense each year, but backs away after we make an apparent huge upgrade in offensive coaching, and you think he simply "doesn't want to go to MSU?" And Mullen is "anything but a proven offensive coach?" Really? Mullen isn't a proven head coach, but to say he isn't a proven offensive coach is just stupid. Doesn't always translate to success as a HC, but the boy is a proven offensive mind.

Just a quick fix *Patterson commits to MSU *Patterson decommits after the 3-2 Auburn loss *Croom gets fired *Mullen hired

 

[Todd4State]

and it's not your place to tell everyone what to or not to say. Are you his Mom? If Patterson is going to play D-I college football, he's going to get criticized, and I highly doubt he reads sixpackspeak, and if by chance he does, I doubt he cares.

No, I don't think we'll be as good as UF running the spread, but how good would he be buried on someone's depth chart? If he goes to Bama, they're not going to stop giving Coffee the ball. I don't know why everyone thinks every WR in the spread is Wes Welker or is a slotback/all-purpose guy like Percy Harvin. How tall is Micheal Crabtree? How tall were those Mormons for Utah? You still want tall WR's on the outside to match up with the corners. The guys like Harvin line up in the slots so that they can use their speed to match up with LB's and safeties. With what we lost from the WR position including McRae, I have no doubt that Patterson could come here and maybe break every receiving record that we have with we're running.

And again as far as Tebow, yes his passing ability is his weakness, and it has improved greatly over three years. If his passing had stayed the same, I would worry. I don't know how much Meyer had to do with that, but I do know this- Tebow and Mullen are both very close. I doubt that's because they went on Mission Trips together. If you think that Mullen had very little to do with his development, you're in denial.

While I'm sure that Meyer signs off on the play calls, I'm pretty sure that Mullen called their plays. And he did a darn good job of it.

 

[RebelBruiser]

I'm not talking about the fact that you don't have other receivers. I'm just saying that based on when he decommitted and what he's been saying ever since, it appears he was not satisfied with the play of your offense last year. When you're a WR more than other skill positions, you have to look at a team's OL and QB, because they will have a big bearing on whether or not you'll be able to have success.

From the things I've read, it seems like recruits will sometimes look at the current personnel, particularly the QB. Nevermind the fact that in most cases the recruit may only get to play 1 or 2 years at most with the current QB. They still look at it. Patterson and other WRs should be more concerned with what QBs are being recruited/redshirted, because those are the guys that will throw to them at whatever school they go to. I'm just saying I think Patterson was looking at your offense this year and not wanting to take a risk that it stays that way while he's there. That's just based on when he decommitted and what he's said since then.

 

[olemissbydamn]

If he goes to Bama, they're not going to stop giving Coffee the ball.

With what we lost from the WR position including McRae, I have no doubt that Patterson could come here and maybe break every receiving record that we have with we're running.

And again as far as Tebow, yes his passing ability is his weakness, and it has improved greatly over three years. If his passing had stayed the same, I would worry. I don't know how much Meyer had to do with that, but I do know this- Tebow and Mullen are both very close. I doubt that's because they went on Mission Trips together. If you think that Mullen had very little to do with his development, you're in denial.

Glen Coffee has declared for the draft and is gone.

I understand your belief that Patterson could play early due to what you are losing, but pretend you are Patterson and not an MSU fan. Look at the QB position. Patterson's potential success is directly tied to the QB, whose success is directly tied to your offensive line. Who is going to get Patterson the ball. Tyson Lee is servicable. Tyler Russell has great potential, but could struggle if thrown to the fire too early. Ask yourself who the last QB and WRs were that thrived at MSU. Look at the performance of your offensive line this season. You are losing Gates & Strauder. Your line should improve, but it will still be in the lower pack of the SEC. Look at the defensive players you lose. If your defense can't keep the opposing offense off the field, there will be less offensive opportunities. If you are asking the kid to look at what you are losing, you have to consider that he may not like the fact that you are losing alot.

I understand yalls optimism under your new coach. There is no doubt you will improve. I doubt it will be immediate, but you will improve. I just don't understand how some of you can't see a guy like Patterson's reasons for looking elsewhere. The guy is only 17 years old. Assuming he started keeping up with college football in the last 8-10 yrs, ask yourself how many successfull MSU season's he has witnessed. Ask yourself how recent MSU players from Noxubee (James Patterson & Omar Conner) career's have panned out. You are excited about Mullen, and understandably so. However, he isn't a proven commodity yet. He hasn't won a game or coached one yet. OM and Bama are having success at the moment. In a recruits eyes they have shown the ability to have success.

 

[Todd4State]

he's incredibly stupid. Especially since one of his "friends" Tyler Russell is going to State. I don't buy that he's that stupid though.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...but just like Woof Man Jack say, if you believe he decommitted because of the offense, well it's the SOS that had been out there for 4 years. Then when we allegedly fix the offense by bringing in one of the top offensive minds in the nation, he says we don't have the players to run that offense, all the while he is giving Southern Miss (less talent than us) a visit. So...it just doesn't add up completely. I would think he would at least give us a visit, but he is not touching us with a 10 foot pole. And where is all this pro Ole Miss inside info coming from?

 

[Todd4State]

that if there was a guy that played at New Albany and was a five star recruit and had been an Ole Miss fan his whole life, commited to Ole Miss and then all of a sudden de-committed after one bad game, said he wanted to play in a different offense, and you fire your coach and the new coach you hire runs said offense, and then said player says your team doesn't have the perssonel to run that offense out of the blue that you are going to be totally understanding if he went somewhere else? I guess USM and their 7-6 season and playing in the New Orleans Bowl is considered on the map?

Would have been as understanding if Oher went to Bama after Touhy adopted him?

It's not so much understanding- it's that it sounds fishy.

I mean, Garrett at least stuck to his story.

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

...and he turned out all right. The comparison to Charlie Weis is effiminate.

 

[DovaDawg]

I am going to go ahead and establish a fact here and since you have the worlds greatest law school, I am sure you can figure out how much weight a personal documented statement carries:

Pat Patterson (12/11/08):

"Since they got a new head coach in and he ran the spread offense a lot, I'm going to give him a good look," Patterson said. "It makes me think maybe I could go there. The way he ran things at Florida makes me think maybe I could fit in with their offense.

"We (Russell, Bumphis and Patterson) have talked about going to the same school, but we haven't decided on a school yet. We are looking at State together."

Clarion Ledger

So now we have have established the fact, by personal admission, that Pat was interested in MSU less than a month ago. I figure with this we can throw out that Pat has not been interested in MSU in a long time and you start all future arguments at this point.

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

...their momma would be fired from the factory, and their pet cat would turn up skinned.

 

[DiamondReb]

that if there was a guy that played at New Albany and was a five star recruit and had been an Ole Miss fan his whole life, commited to Ole Miss and then all of a sudden de-committed after one bad game, said he wanted to play in a different offense, and you fire your coach and the new coach you hire runs said offense, and then said player says your team doesn't have the perssonel to run that offense out of the blue that you are going to be totally understanding if he went somewhere else? I guess USM and their 7-6 season and playing in the New Orleans Bowl is considered on the map?

Would have been as understanding if Oher went to Bama after Touhy adopted him?

It's not so much understanding- it's that it sounds fishy.

I mean, Garrett at least stuck to his story.

Try decade.

 

[SolidDog]

that if there was a guy that played at New Albany and was a five star recruit and had been an Ole Miss fan his whole life, commited to Ole Miss and then all of a sudden de-committed after one bad game, said he wanted to play in a different offense, and you fire your coach and the new coach you hire runs said offense, and then said player says your team doesn't have the perssonel to run that offense out of the blue that you are going to be totally understanding if he went somewhere else? I guess USM and their 7-6 season and playing in the New Orleans Bowl is considered on the map?

Would have been as understanding if Oher went to Bama after Touhy adopted him?

It's not so much understanding- it's that it sounds fishy.

I mean, Garrett at least stuck to his story.

Try decade.

because although your nice season this year has you all thinking your top of the SEC the reality is that over the last 10 seasons (decade as you say) MSU has averaged 5 wins (2 in SEC) and Ole Miss has averaged 6 wins (3 in SEC).. Not a whole hell of a lot of difference. And this discounts State's '98 season (since that was 11 years ago) where they won 6 SEC games (and Ole Miss 2).

 

[MississippiHeavyMetalDawg]

I guess they must cheat since they were at Ole Miss, but I didn't expect the Rebs to be the ones that confirm it.