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Patterson not sure if we have the atletes for the spread

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hotdigitydog

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I'm not sure if I want him at this point or not. Yeah, he's a quality player but something tells me he could be more trouble than he's worth. I just got this feeling about this guy.
 
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TheBigDA

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The other night on the news he listed Ole Miss, Southern Miss, Bama, and Tenn. He's not coming to State. I do think where ever he ends up he will be a problem maker. Too much drama with this kid.
 
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Obviously we know what he said is not true, who knows if he knows it or not. I see three scenarios.

(1) He's incredibly stupid and doesn't understand the spread concept. This is likely given the reports that he's not going to qualify.
(2) He's got somebody in his ear that he trusts that's completely downplaying all things MSU, for whatever reason.
(3) He just doesn't want to go to State.

Or it could be a combination of any. It's not (3), or at least it wasn't in December of last year. He said he grew up wanting to go to State.

My money is on (2), with (1) not far behind it. The guy got cold overnight. Something happened, and it wasn't related to MSU's offense.

Either way, he's not coming to State. Sounds like Alonzo Lawrence. There's no hidden agenda, secret commit or anything like that in my mind. He doesn't even mention us. I wish our recruiters would spend their time elsewhere. State needs some speed anyway, and Patterson's not a burner. Although it would be nice to have a guy that can catch in traffic. Chris Smith could be that guy.
 
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RonnyAtmosphere

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...and that's why Patterson should come here, so we will.

But I guess Patterson doesn't see it that way.

Note to Patterson: Dan Mullen is currently recruiting athletes to Miss. State so Miss. State can successfully run the Spread.

It's up to you whether you want to be part of that or use some type of reverse logic as to why Miss. State is not attractive to you.

This is like Tyler Russell saying he doesn't want to come to State because State currently doesn't have a QB who can run the Spread offense.
 
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1. He committed to MSU in the beginning.
2. MSU gets a coach from a school with a highpowered offense that you would think wr's would want to play for.
3. He is planning on visiting usm.
4. But he is resisting visiting MSU like he might catch ebola if he comes close.
5. All of the rebels have inside knowledge that he is theirs.

I could list many more things that make this thing stink. Either the guy is a huge dumbass (which some say is the case) or he is bought and delivered already. I'd say bought and delivered and dumbass. Any group of people who spend four damn years trying to get powe qualified will have no problem paying a player. And before you mother <17>ers start in on me for thinking this, save it. I'm all for matching the offer. But when we do, the rebel pussies will cry and whine and call the ncaa so often, their phone lines will melt. I just hate hypocritical pussies.</p>
 
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Frances Drebin

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...(particularly Patterson and a lot of overjoyed Ole Miss fans) are going to be shocked at the level of talent we actually do have. I've seen a lot of comments about how barren we are talent-wise and it just isn't true. The problem was more with philosophy and failed scheme than it was with talent. We have some good RBs, and we have some good skill guys. We have a QB on the roster that could be successful in this offense, another with upside, and a supposed big shot recruit coming in. The biggest concern is on the OL, but I think there will be improvement there now that they are freed of the shackles of the Gulf Coast Offense.

I'm not saying we're winning the west...far from it. But this team, despite its shortcomings, wasn't too far from bowl eligibility this year. It can be argued that we'd be there with a decent special teams unit. Coaching makes a world of difference.
 
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RebelBruiser

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I think your biggest concerns will be OL obviously and your defense. You lose a lot of your better defensive players this year as well. That's going to be one of the toughest jobs for Mullen this year. I know you had quite a few impact seniors on your D this year.
 
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RonnyAtmosphere

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...has some athletes who Croom tried to shoe-horn into an offense where they did too much thinking instead of being set free to play football.

Yet Patterson is the type of talented player MSU needs if Mullen is going to take MSU to the next level.

I don't know what Patterson is going to do, but it's pretty dumb to say a program doesn't have the athletes to play a certain offense when your own talents are required to make that offense work.

That's like me being a rocket scientist & saying I will never work for NASA because NASA will never get to Mars.

Even though my specific job talents are exactly want NASA needs in order to get to Mars.
 
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FlabLoser

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Aside from the fact that we have ZERO depth at QB, I think he'd be a good slot player for the spread.
 
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Frances Drebin

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...are obviously Pegues, Fitzhugh, and Glanton in the secondary, and Bailey and Bowman on the defensive line. We will be fine on the line, especially now that McPhee has committed. We had some depth at safety (and Charles Mitchell really stepped up late in the season - he will be a player), but we obviously lose some there. We also have some redshirt freshmen coming in that should be ready to play. And for all the crowing about our defense, it finished, what, 11th in the SEC? Nowhere to go but up.
 
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DowntownDawg

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...he grows up 20 miles away and has a football teammate and a basketball teammate coming. He commits back in the summer (after five years of stagnant offense, mind you). Then, he decommits because of the stagnant offense, and when we hire somebody who has run one of the top offenses in the nation for years, then all of the sudden we can't get the athletes? Yet he is taking the visit to USM? Can they get the athletes? Meanwhile we've got Rebel insiders left and right. It stinks. He's bought. It's over. Screw him.
 
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patdog

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Because looking at our offensive players, I really don't think their only problem was poor coaching.</p>
 
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Frances Drebin

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...how many times was Dixon stoned at the line this year? How many times was the QB slaughtered while our receivers were too busy running triple-move pass patterns? How unimaginative was our playcalling?

Mullen and his guys will have to "coach up" the talent, but it's there. I would say 75% of our offensive futility last year was caused by coaching.
 
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BriantheDawg said:
therefore, I don't think I'd fit in there too well.
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Is that the new line for whenever State loses a recruit? Everybody else is paying more? Please... we're all paying... how do you think you were the leader for Bumphis suddenly? Its not just because Mullen switched to MSU...
 
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saltybulldog

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I would attribute 60% of our problems directly to coaching and offensive philosophy. I would argue that a good coach/staff would have won 6 or more games this past year. I have to hope (all I've got right now) that Mullen is a better coach than Croom.

Let me ask this question. If Ole Miss would have kept O would they have been in the Cotton Bowl this year? ---- Disclaimer: I am not saying we have the talent Ole Miss did(does) nor am I saying Mullen is as good as Nutt. ---- What I am suggesting is that if Mullen can actually coach and his staff can develop players we should see a much better product on the field with alot of the same players the previous staff had.
 
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RonnyAtmosphere

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..but Dixon is a solid RB who will work well in the Spread offense because he is also a very good receiver (even though OMlawdog claims Dixon will riding the bench before the end of the 2009 season because he doesn't fit Mullen's offensive scheme).

Lee is a decent QB & McRae is a good to great WR (if McRae is not back in the fall, it will hurt tremendously).

There are some other Scat Backs with speed who can produce in the Spread offense once placed in open space.

& I'm giving the OL a pass, because they were young (not Stansbury young, but really young).

No, Mullen is not going to have Florida's offense this fall.

But he has the talent to win 6 games if the kicking game is anywhere near SEC level (unlike in 2008, when it wasn't).
 
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coaching is going to make alot of difference with the people we have. We werent coached worth a ****, that was obvious. Then when you add better coaching, a better scheme to help what talent you do have, and a better attitude with the players- it makes a world of difference.

The imagination alone that Mullen's offense brings will help tremendously. We will no doubt average close to 25 points a game and close to 350 yards a game next year. While those arent awesome numbers, compared to the last 5 years they really are.
 
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BriantheDawg

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how do you think you were the leader for Bumphis suddenly? Its not just because Mullen switched to MSU...
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And for the record, my source says Patterson has his hand out and will go to whatever school is the highest bidder, which is fine. I wish we were the highest bidder as I'd love to have him. Unfortunately, we're not.
 
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Click the link.........

He probably has a Big Head too, especially since he made ESPN's top 10 plays last week.
 
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patdog

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I would argue that a good coach/staff would have won 6 or more games this past year.
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Hell, if Crxxm and the staff we did have just had a kicker who wasn't a total ******, they'd have won 6 games this past year and we wouldn't give too much of a **** about Dan Mullen.
 
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DirtyLopez

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at that h.s. with connections to mississippi, who has in the past been known for steering players their way? There is your funnel.
 
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OMlawdog

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First off I said I wouldn't be surprised if Dixon wasn't the starter by the end of next season, and I stand by that, especially if MSU does run a version of Florida's spread offense.

You know who Dixon reminds me of, Emmanuel Moody, but Dixon is bigger and slower. Moody is smaller than Dixon, and faster but he isn't shifty and he isn't quick. He is solid HB that could be a good tailback in a lot of offenses, but he only 58 carries this season, about 20 less than he got at USC (I think that is where he is transferred from)

Demps, Rainey, and Harvin all rushed the ball more than he did.

Dixon is a power back, and I think with decent blocking he is damn good, but yes I don't think he fits the quick strike, spread offense I watched last night.
 
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OMlawdog

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If Albert Means was worth 200K, Snead had to cost us 500K, luckily that was before the economy went to hell.
 
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futaba.79

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these scatbacks are that you refer to. Elliot? Nobody has any idea if he'll fully recover. Robinson? Clark? Neither of those guys showed me much. Is there somebody else that I'm unaware of?
 
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"Is that the new line for whenever State loses a recruit? Everybody else is paying more? Please... we're all paying... how do you think you were the leader for Bumphis suddenly? Its not just because Mullen switched to MSU... "

He couldn't cost that much because I was told that nobody else really wanted him so...
 
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OMlawdog

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We teach our players that you need a front to launder the money.

Also, its a signing bonus just like the NFL.
 
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