Penn State - Maryland '26 Match Thread

a_mshaffer

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Still not much discussion about Mesenbrink engaging with the ref after the stoppage for potentially dangerous. I think someone mentioned that it did look like he was explaining how the arm got twisted past 90 degrees or something, but it was simply hysterical that he wanted to engage, to explain himself and the ref had to say, "OK, yeah, whatever, now get back over there". Mitchell is apparently SO quirky and odd and I say that in a completely respectful way. I can absolutely imagine that a guy would positively HATE to wrestle him, not only for the ***-beating that he'd likely take, but also for the constant chatting and what-not. Hysterical....
He also turned and something to his opponent when he went down up by 14. He was smiling
 
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jack66

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SVN better be careful. He’s been putting himself in some dangerous positions. Won’t get away with that against a top 10 wrestler most of the time.

Taking risks is what defines the PSU style. Cael has coached a ton of national champs whose offense was their best defense.

Maybe SVN can tighten things up a bit, but I wouldn't change his in-your-face style. I love how he looks for the big move, and how quickly he goes from TD to bottom-leg-turk..
 

Pennstater55

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Do we know this for sure? Wayne from BEG was ranting on his BEG facebook page but he contends Davis looked over and the coaches directed to cut the kid. Wayne's upset that the coaches weren't aware Breaden had the tech. I personally think he's wrong. And I also don't think Breaden wasn't aware he had the tech either.

Our coaching staff are like mad scientists. I'll bet you at nationals Breaden is gonna need to cut a kid and get a td in short time to win a match. In my opinion, this is what the coaches were working on and don't give a **** the difference between a MD and Tech in a dual like this. Kind of a screenshot of Caels, " It's all about the preperation. People always talking about PSUs secret sauce..... maybe this was a glimpse of something other coaching staffs dont focus on while Cael considers a big deal in getting ready for March.
I think that's a fair summary, but most of the other guys knew what they needed to do to reach the tech. I took the view that the coaches knew he wasn't likely to get the tech and would rather he keep the major than put himself in a precarious position by overreaching.
 

AgSurfer

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I think the thought is when his opponent forces his head up, Shayne lets go and shoots right away as his opponent is upright and not in a good defensive stance from forcing his head up.
There are several options for the top wrestler when holding his opponent’s head down in that position. But you’re right in that the top guy is counting on the reaction of the opponent coming up to create an opening for another takedown. Young knew it too but just didn’t know how to handle that position.
 
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Well, well, well, look who comes crawling back….
how about Don‘t Messenblink.
 

District 4

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I agree with this. There wasn’t a chance in hell the match was going to hang in the balance where that one team point was going to matter. I think they prioritized an exhausted Davis working on getting one last TD in short time over one team point in a 51-0 match.
First world problems lol. Iowa just wants to score one takedown and we are bitching there aren't enough lol
 
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Goggles Paisano

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Taking risks is what defines the PSU style. Cael has coached a ton of national champs whose offense was their best defense.

Maybe SVN can tighten things up a bit, but I wouldn't change his in-your-face style. I love how he looks for the big move, and how quickly he goes from TD to bottom-leg-turk..
Yeah I guess one could say bringing your head near your knee is an "in-your-face style", but not something that is taught, anywhere!

I agree with Sunshine88 in that Shayne has been a bit sloppy 'during moments' in a number of matches this year. The weight class is relatively weak and Shayne is clearly the most talented and favored, but in March if he isn't the NC we may just point to a mistake at the wrong time vs the wrong guy as the reason, a opposed to simply getting beat by a better guy. This is his season to shine.

PS - Now we have seen it several times including last year. When Shayne gets down in a match and gets a little pissed, there is something beautiful to behold coming. What we saw yesterday was a masterclass.
 
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PSUbluTX

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Typically, a good ref allows the defensive wrestler to clear from the offensive wrestler and face him. If he doesn't defend himself after being awarded an escape, that's entirely on him. Admittedly, Mitch, Shayne et al have a way of completely debilitating an opponent, but.......

That’s my point of ensuring of an escape waiting for clear non control or, waiting for opponent to get completely free. Otherwise I agree with the stall calls

I don't disagree with the stall calls, especially since Maryland didn't get the hint and the inaction continued across several matches after the ref first called it. These poor Maryland guys sat motionless and showed no sign of wanting to get up, as if waiting for the ref to make their opponent go to a neutral corner like in boxing after a knockdown. Maybe they were waiting for Clemsen to throw in the towel to stop the match?

Despite what the rulebook says, seems to me that there is a WIDE variation in how/when refs award escape points, whether the bottom guy is intentionally cut or not. Some call it as soon as both wrestlers are on their feet and anywhere close to facing each other. Even if the top wrestler is still draped pretty firmly across the back and shoulders. Others don't call it until there's ~5 feet of separation for at least a few seconds. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

railbirrd

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I think the thought is when his opponent forces his head up, Shayne lets go and shoots right away as his opponent is upright and not in a good defensive stance from forcing his head up.
PJ should consider this tactic when wrestling Brandon Cannon, who seems like he could be vulnerable if his head is worked hard in neutral. Seems like that is what Minnesota's Millard was trying to a degree on Friday night, but not with enough success.
 

railbirrd

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Yeah I guess one could say bringing your head near your knee is an "in-your-face style", but not something that is taught, anywhere!

I agree with Sunshine88 in that Shane has been a bit sloppy 'during moments' in a number of matches this year. The weight class is relatively weak and Shane is clearly the most talented and favored, but in March if he isn't the NC we may just point to a mistake at the wrong time vs the wrong guy as the reason, a opposed to simply getting beat by a better guy. This is his season to shine.

PS - Now we have seen it several times including last year. When Shane gets down in a match and gets a little pissed, there is something beautiful to behold coming. What we saw yesterday was a masterclass.
When posting about "Shane" I have to think too hard - does the poster mean Shayne Van Ness or Shane Sparks? I might have to go lie down for a bit (to quote Sen John Kennedy).
 

Anon1676911284

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Still not much discussion about Mesenbrink engaging with the ref after the stoppage for potentially dangerous. I think someone mentioned that it did look like he was explaining how the arm got twisted past 90 degrees or something, but it was simply hysterical that he wanted to engage, to explain himself and the ref had to say, "OK, yeah, whatever, now get back over there". Mitchell is apparently SO quirky and odd and I say that in a completely respectful way. I can absolutely imagine that a guy would positively HATE to wrestle him, not only for the ***-beating that he'd likely take, but also for the constant chatting and what-not. Hysterical....
Uber. That would explain the good relationship he has with Braeden.
 

o_Grass

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Still not much discussion about Mesenbrink engaging with the ref after the stoppage for potentially dangerous. I think someone mentioned that it did look like he was explaining how the arm got twisted past 90 degrees or something, but it was simply hysterical that he wanted to engage, to explain himself and the ref had to say, "OK, yeah, whatever, now get back over there". Mitchell is apparently SO quirky and odd and I say that in a completely respectful way. I can absolutely imagine that a guy would positively HATE to wrestle him, not only for the ***-beating that he'd likely take, but also for the constant chatting and what-not. Hysterical....
My buddy was the ref and I asked him about that. Mitchell wanted him to know he wasn't intentionally trying hurt the kid.
 

Potterlion

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My buddy was the ref and I asked him about that. Mitchell wanted him to know he wasn't intentionally trying hurt the kid.

That's interesting. Once again, kids aren't always perfect and some PSU athletes have had their issues, but again and again and again, PSU wrestlers prove to be really, really good people with good character and a lot of integrity. Odd that Mitchell would find the need to do so during the match, but good for him. Good for him.
 

TwoJoints

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You can be sure that he and the coaches are going to review that sequence very closely in the next week. It brings back deja vu all over again when I think about DT’s finals match in 2011.
I sometimes think SVN puts himself in difficult situations so he can work on getting out of those situations. Once he does he just turns on the jets. And if he doesn’t, at least at this point in the season, it would only prevent a shutout.
 

Reiterate

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That's interesting. Once again, kids aren't always perfect and some PSU athletes have had their issues, but again and again and again, PSU wrestlers prove to be really, really good people with good character and a lot of integrity. Odd that Mitchell would find the need to do so during the match, but good for him. Good for him.
Every PJ match i think someone might lose an arm..am I wrong.
 

jack66

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Yeah I guess one could say bringing your head near your knee is an "in-your-face style", but not something that is taught, anywhere!

I agree with Sunshine88 in that Shane has been a bit sloppy 'during moments' in a number of matches this year. The weight class is relatively weak and Shane is clearly the most talented and favored, but in March if he isn't the NC we may just point to a mistake at the wrong time vs the wrong guy as the reason, a opposed to simply getting beat by a better guy. This is his season to shine.

PS - Now we have seen it several times including last year. When Shane gets down in a match and gets a little pissed, there is something beautiful to behold coming. What we saw yesterday was a masterclass.
SVN has lost to two guys in two years; Lovett has graduated, and Webster is at 157. Yet, you're obsessed with Shayne making changes.

Maybe he won't go undefeated, and god forbid, he might not win the NC, but he is going to have FUN wrestling his way.

SVN has a unique style of wrestling that I appreciate, and I trust the coaches will make adjustments if they think they are necessary.

Relax and enjoy the ride.
 

mvattivo

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Still not much discussion about Mesenbrink engaging with the ref after the stoppage for potentially dangerous. I think someone mentioned that it did look like he was explaining how the arm got twisted past 90 degrees or something, but it was simply hysterical that he wanted to engage, to explain himself and the ref had to say, "OK, yeah, whatever, now get back over there". Mitchell is apparently SO quirky and odd and I say that in a completely respectful way. I can absolutely imagine that a guy would positively HATE to wrestle him, not only for the ***-beating that he'd likely take, but also for the constant chatting and what-not. Hysterical....

I think one reason for the success is that most (not all) of our guys seem to remain extremely calm compared to others when they are on the mat. There are some who take it to another level, like Mitchell, but, it is something I've noticed over the years. I'm guessing it is taught, as Cael has said many times that in the grand scheme of things, this is just wrestling.
 

mvattivo

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so Shane just prolonged the match by pushing on his head just TD let up etc etc match ends much sooner

We score a LOT of points and pins from that "letting him up" position. The first person that I noticed using it extensively was Jason Nolf. He would push the head as if to let you up, and then, when his opponent relaxed, he would hit them with a cow catcher or slap on a cradle. Since then, I've seen many kids doing the same, but, PSU does it more than others, it works a lot of the time!
 
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PSUPetch

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While the announcers on these things are good for a laugh, I look at it from the other side and it makes me realize how much prep and reps a pro like Shane Sparks had to have put in to perform like he does. Young guys on BIG+ finding their way. Maybe in 10 years we will get to hear some of them after they have dialed it in.
I found an early clip of one of the Maryland announcers before he teamed up with his partner.
 

PSUbluTX

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My buddy was the ref and I asked him about that. Mitchell wanted him to know he wasn't intentionally trying hurt the kid.

I love the insider info. Thx for sharing.

Your buddy was a little quick to call potentially dangerous a few times. That might also explain why Mitch wanted to make sure your buddy knew he wasn't trying to hurt the kid.
 
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El_Jefe

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SVN has lost to two guys in two years; Lovett has graduated, and Webster is at 157. Yet, you're obsessed with Shayne making changes.

Maybe he won't go undefeated, and god forbid, he might not win the NC, but he is going to have FUN wrestling his way.

SVN has a unique style of wrestling that I appreciate, and I trust the coaches will make adjustments if they think they are necessary.

Relax and enjoy the ride.
Maybe Shayne isn't as athletic as Ryder.
 

Random4598375

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I sometimes think SVN puts himself in difficult situations so he can work on getting out of those situations. Once he does he just turns on the jets. And if he doesn’t, at least at this point in the season, it would only prevent a shutout.
Yeah, I don’t think SVN thought he should start from a cradle on his back and see where it goes. LOL.
 
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Matter7172

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We score a LOT of points and pins from that "letting him up" position. The first person that I noticed using it extensively was Jason Nolf. He would push the head as if to let you up, and then, when his opponent relaxed, he would hit them with a cow catcher or slap on a cradle. Since then, I've seen many kids doing the same, but, PSU does it more than others, it works a lot of the time!
Penn State scores a LOT of points, period. If I'm correct, they scored over 160 match points against Maryland. To place it in perspective, Illinois and Rutgers combined for less than 90 on Saturday.
 
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Oldster

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MM could have used the science in his first final. Clearly didn't realize the situation. Maybe the staff was telling him and he was so exhausted and amped up he didn't get it. That was a shame, MM could have very well been the next undefeated 4 time champ.
He lost because David Carr wouldn't let him up, creating a learning opportunity. He hasn't been challenged since.