People, we are in the SEC, & Bo Bounds lost me today

[skip dog]

Guys, Miami has not been **** for the past several years, & we are in the SEC. We may not be a top tier SEC team, but we get all of the exposure associated w/ the SEC. Our budget may not be in the top tier, but we have done more w/ less.

Look @ our fan support, energy in the stadium @ game time & through the game, look @ the sellout crowds. Not talk of stadium expansion, but plans in the works for stadium expansion.

A long time ago Sherrill said "why not MSU ?", well here we are again having success @ MSU, w/ a outlook of continued success. Mullen is not a Bobby Petrino, & going to jump ship @ the first opportunity.....how do I know this, I don't, but geez people, act like you have been here before !!! Templeton does not run this show anymore, for once we can have confidence in our admin. to do what it takes to keep the house in order.......and in the event that Mullen does leave, we can have confidence in our admin to find a equal or better replacement.

My biggest question is, why would he leave a SEC coaching job ?

As far as Bo Bounds, I have always accepted his show for what it is, some young guys doing a radio show that is a little stupid (i.e. man rules), but geared toward a younger market w/ some good crazy talk that is fun to hear. He promotes Mississippi & what we have (women, weather, food) & such & is enjoyable for its entertainment value. But this morning thinking on how all season long he has called U of M more talented than MSU, & then to immediately talk about Miami being a better job, & Mullen leaving b/c of the lifestyle / money........well he lost me me on that, how can he not promote Mississippi in this situation, & MSU's new admin, & their ability to hang on to a good coach, & believe that a in-state school is committed to moving forward & consistently putting a good product on the field ?

Bo has apparently decided to take the Finebaum route on his show, & set aside his beliefs & go for something that attracts interest & riles people up. I would rather have good commentary & some funny discussions over editorial designed for ratings (it is was I hate about news coverage today / media). Bo, if Mississippi is so great (which I do believe it is), why is it not so appealing to coach in the SEC in Mississippi ( we are winning in recruiting w/ MS players)? We have been to the SECCG. Our A.D.'s last name is not Boone. And our fan base is not filled w/ delusions of granduer from the 50's & 60's. & in 15 days we are not going to release a book called "Return to Glory!".

What we are going to do is stand behind our program by showing up, yelling, ringing, & selling out whatever bowl game we are selected to in a matter of hours. And w/ this success this year, we will improve of raising capitol w/in the program, selling out next years seasons tickets, & supporting the program.. Mississippi State is a better coaching environment than alot of other programs in the nation, & me-thinks that Mullen will only leave for 2 to 3 other coaching positions in the nation, & Miami is not one of them.

I am done w/ my flame, let me have it

 

[skip dog]

Guys, Miami has not been **** for the past several years, & we are in the SEC. We may not be a top tier SEC team, but we get all of the exposure associated w/ the SEC. Our budget may not be in the top tier, but we have done more w/ less.

Look @ our fan support, energy in the stadium @ game time & through the game, look @ the sellout crowds. Not talk of stadium expansion, but plans in the works for stadium expansion.

A long time ago Sherrill said "why not MSU ?", well here we are again having success @ MSU, w/ a outlook of continued success. Mullen is not a Bobby Petrino, & going to jump ship @ the first opportunity.....how do I know this, I don't, but geez people, act like you have been here before !!! Templeton does not run this show anymore, for once we can have confidence in our admin. to do what it takes to keep the house in order.......and in the event that Mullen does leave, we can have confidence in our admin to find a equal or better replacement.

My biggest question is, why would he leave a SEC coaching job ?

As far as Bo Bounds, I have always accepted his show for what it is, some young guys doing a radio show that is a little stupid (i.e. man rules), but geared toward a younger market w/ some good crazy talk that is fun to hear. He promotes Mississippi & what we have (women, weather, food) & such & is enjoyable for its entertainment value. But this morning thinking on how all season long he has called U of M more talented than MSU, & then to immediately talk about Miami being a better job, & Mullen leaving b/c of the lifestyle / money........well he lost me me on that, how can he not promote Mississippi in this situation, & MSU's new admin, & their ability to hang on to a good coach, & believe that a in-state school is committed to moving forward & consistently putting a good product on the field ?

Bo has apparently decided to take the Finebaum route on his show, & set aside his beliefs & go for something that attracts interest & riles people up. I would rather have good commentary & some funny discussions over editorial designed for ratings (it is was I hate about news coverage today / media). Bo, if Mississippi is so great (which I do believe it is), why is it not so appealing to coach in the SEC in Mississippi ( we are winning in recruiting w/ MS players)? We have been to the SECCG. Our A.D.'s last name is not Boone. And our fan base is not filled w/ delusions of granduer from the 50's & 60's. & in 15 days we are not going to release a book called "Return to Glory!".

What we are going to do is stand behind our program by showing up, yelling, ringing, & selling out whatever bowl game we are selected to in a matter of hours. And w/ this success this year, we will improve of raising capitol w/in the program, selling out next years seasons tickets, & supporting the program.. Mississippi State is a better coaching environment than alot of other programs in the nation, & me-thinks that Mullen will only leave for 2 to 3 other coaching positions in the nation, & Miami is not one of them.

I am done w/ my flame, let me have it

 

[skip dog]

Guys, Miami has not been **** for the past several years, & we are in the SEC. We may not be a top tier SEC team, but we get all of the exposure associated w/ the SEC. Our budget may not be in the top tier, but we have done more w/ less.

Look @ our fan support, energy in the stadium @ game time & through the game, look @ the sellout crowds. Not talk of stadium expansion, but plans in the works for stadium expansion.

A long time ago Sherrill said "why not MSU ?", well here we are again having success @ MSU, w/ a outlook of continued success. Mullen is not a Bobby Petrino, & going to jump ship @ the first opportunity.....how do I know this, I don't, but geez people, act like you have been here before !!! Templeton does not run this show anymore, for once we can have confidence in our admin. to do what it takes to keep the house in order.......and in the event that Mullen does leave, we can have confidence in our admin to find a equal or better replacement.

My biggest question is, why would he leave a SEC coaching job ?

As far as Bo Bounds, I have always accepted his show for what it is, some young guys doing a radio show that is a little stupid (i.e. man rules), but geared toward a younger market w/ some good crazy talk that is fun to hear. He promotes Mississippi & what we have (women, weather, food) & such & is enjoyable for its entertainment value. But this morning thinking on how all season long he has called U of M more talented than MSU, & then to immediately talk about Miami being a better job, & Mullen leaving b/c of the lifestyle / money........well he lost me me on that, how can he not promote Mississippi in this situation, & MSU's new admin, & their ability to hang on to a good coach, & believe that a in-state school is committed to moving forward & consistently putting a good product on the field ?

Bo has apparently decided to take the Finebaum route on his show, & set aside his beliefs & go for something that attracts interest & riles people up. I would rather have good commentary & some funny discussions over editorial designed for ratings (it is was I hate about news coverage today / media). Bo, if Mississippi is so great (which I do believe it is), why is it not so appealing to coach in the SEC in Mississippi ( we are winning in recruiting w/ MS players)? We have been to the SECCG. Our A.D.'s last name is not Boone. And our fan base is not filled w/ delusions of granduer from the 50's & 60's. & in 15 days we are not going to release a book called "Return to Glory!".

What we are going to do is stand behind our program by showing up, yelling, ringing, & selling out whatever bowl game we are selected to in a matter of hours. And w/ this success this year, we will improve of raising capitol w/in the program, selling out next years seasons tickets, & supporting the program.. Mississippi State is a better coaching environment than alot of other programs in the nation, & me-thinks that Mullen will only leave for 2 to 3 other coaching positions in the nation, & Miami is not one of them.

I am done w/ my flame, let me have it

 

[tenureplan]

National Championships have been won at Miami. If Mullen goes there, it will be because he feels like he can win a National Championship there.

 

[skip dog]

the college football landscape has changed since 2001, and Miami does not get the exposure it used to, unless it is a fight, & they don't have Notre Dames tv contract. I just don't see Miami ever having the appeal it had during the Jimmy Johnson era.

my point being, look @ the top 25 today, there are alot of names in it that are not considered "traditional" power programs in the college football landscape of the past 25 to 50 years.......& I think it is b/c we are in the midst of a evolution of the modern era of college football b/c of population size, & more players available, & I feel a little bit justified in my thoughts based on what Bobby Bowden said happened to his program when it became a national recruiting base vs. a in-state recruiting base.

I think being in the SEC matters alot, Miami is not in the SEC. I think <span style="text-decoration: underline; font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">not</span> being in Miami matters alot, & I think past traditions of being a perennial power (i.e. Notre Dame) don't mean diddly squat today to a recruit.

I am ready & prepared to be wrong, but Miami is not the Miami of the late 80's & early 90's, & it is not in the SEC.

 

[Foronce]

we need more listeners ...

 

[Dawgzilla]

At least, I HOPE that is the figure once Stricklin has worked out a contract extension.(not saying MSU will pay $3 mil, but that they will pay enough that it would take around $3 mil for Mullen to consider leaving). Now, Miami can certainly afford $3 mil per year, but that's what they reportedly offered John Gruden. John Freakin' Gruden. Why would they offer that much money to a coach with a 13-11 record in just 2 seasons of head coaching experience? They might, but I would really be surprised.

 

[Xenomorph]

*

 

[patdog]

which taxes you on the value of your investments. And if you're making that kind of money, you're going to have some investments to be taxed.</p>

 

[Uncle Leo]

Bo has apparently decided to take the Finebaum route on his show, & set aside his beliefs & go for something that attracts interest & riles people up

The sooner people realize this, the better off they'll be. Bo knows exactly what he's doing. He's stirring the pot to get more people to listen. You better believe he reads this and other message boards (even though he criticizes message board posters and claims he doesn't have time to bother with them), and he's absolutely eating it up that people are talking about his show or are mad at him. It's because talk about his show today equals more people tuning in tomorrow.

It's all about listeners.

 

[Dawgzilla]

[No message]

 

[tenureplan]

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[Rabbitt]

I listened to Bo some on the way to the office this morning and he was ranting about Mullen and how Miami is a much better job. Obvously Bo has never been to a Miami game. Being from the State of Florida myself, I've been to the Orange Bowl where they played for years and the atmosphere and the 25k to 30k number of fans was ho hum. I sort of laughed at his ignorance of the situation and hit channel 143 on my XM radio to hear a professional in Bill King!

 

[skip dog]

is he playing to the ignorance of a situation in that not many people in his listening audience have been to see Miami football firsthand.

I tried to listen to Chuck & Doug once, that lasted all of 2 minutes.

Now Bo has back peddled into this incite rabid emotions (i.e. Finbaum) talk radio. It has lost it's appeal. I went on "disgust" alert earlier in the year w/ his talk of how Nutt was a experienced coach & their was more talent in Oxford & such, but today was over the top. Today was just "I am going to talk to talk" today, & there will be absolutely no basis to what I say.

I don't expect him to cater to MSU by any means, but geez, do you have to stoop down that low. It's fine if you cater to your advertisers, I will simply choose not to buy Hush Puppy boots @ the Rouge, but I will patronize Shapley's as often as I can afford (owned by a TSUN fan). All I am asking for is to be a little legitimate in your coverage. Bo talks up the SEC, the amount of SEC fans in the Jackson & surrounding areas, & their proximity to SEC schools, the southern lifestyle, how the SEC is a bigboy league. Well last time I checked MSU is still in the SEC, w/ good facilities w/ plans to improve, a rabid fanbase, good leadership, a winning record, a bowl game on the horizon.......so when did Miami re-emerge as a perennial power house full of prestige.

Sorry to knock you Bo, but stick to what got you hear, you earned every bit of it, don't stoop to the lower levels of your industry.

 

[Coach34]

Geez guys, Mullen talks about winning championships. Thats the most important thing to almost every D-1 coach.

At Miami:

He has an easier school to sell
He would have a larger recruiting base
make good money
and only have to go through Fla State, Clemson, GaTech, and VaTech each year to be in contention for a national title.

If Mullen feels like Miami has an administration that's solid and will support him, and is willing to put the money into the program...and he can get the coaches he wants to join him there- he will probably accept the job.

Mullen is looking at three 10-2 teams and a 12-0 team ahead of him in the SEC alone at a school that is disadvantaged...he loves it at State, but that wont keep him from leaving to go to a school that can win a title easier.

 

[strdawg]

Show me somebody who wears Bo's Hushpuppy Boots, and I bet that he also has a scarf to wear to his UM games.

 

[patdog]

I understand that there's more to it than that, but he's not going to take a pay cut to coach at Miami. And Miami's going to have to come up with some serious cash for him not to be taking a pay cut. They may do that, but Miami isn't the job it was 15 years ago. Their road is a lot tougher now than it was then.

 

[Coach34]

just because they werent paying Shannon big money, doesnt mean they cant. Keep in mind, we only paid Mullen 1.1 the last 2 years- but we could pay alot more than that.

Money wont be the deciding factor in all this- schools know they have to pay to play these days

 

[State82]

people continue to think keeping Mullen here is about money, or fan support (or lack of), or facilities (or lack of), or lifestyle, whatever. It WILL be about the opportunity to make it to a BCS Bowl on a regular basis and the BCS Championship from time to time. Miami is one of the places that those opportunities will present themselves. That, my friends, is the bottom line.

 

[ShrubDog]

I have lived there for many years.

And it didn'tmake me to want tostay there any longer. And not that I was making as much as Mullen.

But come on, thats a weak arguement.

Its the 17'n ACC

 

[patdog]

Just because you'd take a pay cut from your condom sales job to coach Miami doesn't mean Mullen would take a pay cut to coach there.</p>

 

[OOBESPN]

Skipdog, the fact that I lost you is scary. It's sports talk radio, we're not planning space missions.The deal with Miami is simple. 3 counties in and around Miami give him enough talent to win a NC and he doesn't have to go through Fla, Bama, LSU or UGA. It's that simple: High school talent. Mullen and staff can recruit on mopeds.
When Stan Jones and I would go to dinner in SVegas he had some great stories on how easy it was to recruit to South Beach.

You have to understand (which you obviously don't) from your post - It's just my opinion, and I'm not worried about it. Scott Stricklin and Mark Keenum are both perfectly capable of handling the situation if DM leaves. Do I think he goes to Miami IF he's offered? Hell yes, and if I was advising DM (professionally), I would tell him to go.

People get caught up in attendance and facilities. It doesn't matter down there. DM can win a NC in Miami. Look at the ACC compared to the SEC. Now if we had a 16-team playoff? Not as easy at Miami or anywhere else, but the way the BCS is structured today- Miami is a great opportunity. BCS has a 5-7 yr shelf life I would think.

From the heart of the SEC,
Bo Bounds
Host, The Out of Bounds Show
ESPN 105.9 The Zone
http://thezone1059.com
http://yallsports.com
</p>

 

[pchaney301]

But Bo makes some very valid points. <div>
</div><div>With the BCS the way it is right now, there is a MUCH easier route to a national championship at Miami than at Miss. State, or any team in the SEC for that matter...Alabama is proof of that. They are as talented as anybody, but couldn't get through Auburn, LSU and SC this year.</div><div>
</div><div>I want Mullen to stay here just as much, and probably more, than any other Mississippi State fan, and maybe, just maybe, he has enough confidence that he can continue to build this program and make it something a lot better than history tells us of what Mississippi State football can be. I like the attitude that Jackie had when he said, "Why not MSU?" It's a long, long, long road to ever get to that point, but it is possible. Maybe DM has that samementalityand he actually can pull something crazy out in the future...if anybody can do it, I believe DM with the help of Diaz, Hudspeth, Rocky and the rest of the coaching staff have the best chance of anybody that we've had in the past.</div>

 

[ShrubDog]

If you win the SEC championship and have 1 loss. If you win the ACC championship and have 1 loss.

Who has a better chance at going to the BCS grand finale?

You guessed it.

Also, do you think the Mullen's really want to raise a family in MiYayo?? I doubt it.

 

[strdawg]

nm

 

[Xenomorph]

...then why is Auburn on the verge of being the 5th SEC team in a row to do it?

 

[RobbieRandolph]

But we'll use your logic for ***** n giggles. It's exponentially easier to go 11-1 at Miami than it is at Mississippi State. So Miami still gives him a better shot in going to ANY BCS game.

I can't blame him if he takes the Canes job, but it will suck, hard.

 

[RobbieRandolph]

Jeez, not to mention you made the argument against yourself even more sound. In the last 5 years of BCS championship games, the SEC has had a team in every one. Meaning the coach at MSU has to play multiple nat'l championship caliber teams annually and therefore MSU's road to the BCS is tougher than it is in other conferences.

 

[therightway]

nm

 

[was21]

asdf

 

[poolot]

Mullen has way more control here than he does at Miami... also has a more stable job here. Go 7-5 or 8-4 here, you'll get a pay raise... go 7-5 in Miami, you get fired.

 

[Coach34]

if they did that, then they will pay as much as we can for Mullen..we arent going over 3 million

 

[NashvilleBulldawg]

So what I'm hearing is that Miami could win a NC, but State could NEVER do the same. State will never be a serious NC contender. We'll never be able to compete with the LSUs, Bamas, UFs of the world. Let's just save all of our money and support one of those schools then.
Now me? I'm one who likes challenges. Mullen is competitive. He knows he can become one of the best known coaches in the nation by turning around a po-dunk school like ours. Then again, he may not want a legacy. One can NEVER have too much money, because we all know money buys happiness.
I'm obviously not some millionaire, but I know I don't need multiple millions to live a great life. Like that wonderful rapping philospher, B.I.G., said, "Mo money, mo problems." And stress. Oh well. I'm a simpleton who's poor so what do I know?

 

[jabassett2416]

Twenty years ago, Florida had never won a conference or national championship. On top of that, Florida never had a 9+ win season before Spurrier. South Carolina did not win a bowl game before 1995. Things can change and if you do not think that the state of Mississippi can compete with the big boys you are an idiot. We have the talent and there is a base of people that are willing to do anything to be succesful. All we need is the right man to put the pieces together. Mullen is that man and if he stays we will be playing in the SECCG within the next 3-5 years.

 

[urethrafranklin]

but how much sense does it make for miami to hire him if they want a nat'l championship caliber coach? the best he's finished in the west is a 3 way tie for 4th, last year. He's good, but not nat'l championship good.

 

[perch0]

Skipdog, the fact that I lost you is scary. It's sports talk radio, we're not planning space missions.The deal with Miami is simple. 3 counties in and around Miami give him enough talent to win a NC and he doesn't have to go through Fla, Bama, LSU or UGA. It's that simple: High school talent. Mullen and staff can recruit on mopeds.
When Stan Jones and I would go to dinner in SVegas he had some great stories on how easy it was to recruit to South Beach.

You have to understand (which you obviously don't) from your post - It's just my opinion, and I'm not worried about it. Scott Stricklin and Mark Keenum are both perfectly capable of handling the situation if DM leaves. Do I think he goes to Miami IF he's offered? Hell yes, and if I was advising DM (professionally), I would tell him to go.

People get caught up in attendance and facilities. It doesn't matter down there. DM can win a NC in Miami. Look at the ACC compared to the SEC. Now if we had a 16-team playoff? Not as easy at Miami or anywhere else, but the way the BCS is structured today- Miami is a great opportunity. BCS has a 5-7 yr shelf life I would think.

From the heart of the SEC,
Bo Bounds
Host, The Out of Bounds Show
ESPN 105.9 The Zone
http://thezone1059.com
http://yallsports.com
</p>

It may be easier but if you were a young hot shot coach would you rather win a NC at MSU or Miami? It's easier a lot of places but if you could somehow win one at MSU it would be more than a lifetime achievement. Yet to be proven but Auburn may have just brought one they will have to give back.

 

[pchaney301]

But's I wouldn't take the odds at much less than 100,000-1. In the words of Kevin Malone, "when you get 100,00-1 odds on anything, you take it. When John Mellencamp wins an oscar I'm going to be a very rich man." (Hope I got that quote close to being right...)<div>
</div><div>Realistically, it's possible. I mean, we are a Cam Newton away from possibly sitting where Auburn is right now, so it's not totally out of the question. I say the program has no where to go but up. We are starting to get better players, winning more and like Bo/Coop said this morning, we have the blueprints for success.</div><div>
</div><div>10 years from now, after we've expanded the stadium and the MSU fanbase keeps continuing to grow, I believe the players are going to keep coming, we are going to get better, and we can consistently play for decent bowl games, and who knows, maybe my 100,000-1 odds can pay out for me and I can quit renting my apartment in Jackson and move some place where I'm not worried about getting stabbed when I walk my dog.</div>

 

[Baron Von Raschke]

This is one of the good cards we have with Mullen, IMO, or with a perspective new coach if he leaves.

We are gong to be good nexxt year, and we ahve a favorable schedule.

 

[Coach34]

the very best we could be is 9-3...we have to go to Georgia and UPig...no way we can beat both Bama and LSU- both have 16-17 starters returning and will be tough as hell....

I think we'll put up another 8-4 next year

 

[Baron Von Raschke]

at home.

If we get that close, it's possible, and if Russell keeps improving(ok, kidding).

We will have a chance in every game. I'm going 10-2 as a prediction, but it is not out of the question we could win 11 or dare I say...ALL.