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chuck285

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I have friends and interact with a bunch of NCAA D1 wrestlers. I know several that have been pulled for a random pee test immediately after a match at conferences and NCAAs. If you don’t believe me (although it would be fairly easy to figure out how I’m involved in wrestling) I’m sure @Corby2 can chime in. Beyond that, excuse me if I haven’t experienced it myself.
My question would be if they are illegal and are tested after conference meets and NCAA why do I never see anyone being disqualified after the B1G or during the NCAA? I have a hard time understanding how lots of teams use them but never penalized? tks
 

kingstown

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Because they are performance enhancers and once you cross the line it becomes gray what is right or wrong and scum bags push it. Rules are there for a reason. It’s not the WWE. Pot is legal in many states but you can’t drive on it. Comprende the comparison between driving and competitive sports?
If by comprende you mean they are not similar or at all related than sure I understand the foolish straw man comparison. The more rules is what opens grey areas. Make the rules the exact same as the law. Why have a grey area where none is needed?
 
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kingstown

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Where to start with some of the stupidity you throw out.
There is a black market for injectable Peptides. TB-4, AOD-9604, BPC-157, TB-500, MK-677. It would be great to use the specific Peptides listed above to accomplish very detailed stimulation of a specific natural body function. Every athlete would like to increase stamina, improve ATP production, develop highly efficient energy systems with greatly reduced muscle fatigue, extend peak performance while optimizing oxygen supply to muscles through red blood cell production. Its already been mentioned stimulating fat breakdown while preserving hypertrophy, body comp and energy. Joint protection and repair while reducing risk of joint, muscle, and tendon injuries. That last one is BPC-157, a few Iowa wrestlers would have enjoyed the use of that Peptide.
In the list above stop and think of a wrestling team that doesn't seem to fatigue, stays away from tissue injuries and maintains body comp. Smart training of the very best wrestlers? I don't know...
Not a stretch to think that one the most renowned Biomechanics Labs at Penn State that has been around since the 60's just has some things figured out. I won't claim anyone cheats or does things illegal.
Very few if any over the counter performance enhancers would come close to what steroids or Peptides do. Most of the days of winking and telling a person to double or triple the dose of something over the counter to get a desired result are long gone.
Your notion of legal/illegal isn't worth a google search.
You are lost in your own mind. There is a black market? There has and always will be a black market. How could anyone be opposed to something that creates that many benefits? Why are we holding back science when it is available? Time to move out of the stone age. Less lung timeouts and less injuries should be a goal not something to complain about. I'm sure PSU would be on the leading edge since they have smarter people than the corn rats running the show in flyover land, but that is a different topic altogether.
 
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kingstown

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But you specifically said the NCAA. Can you explain why it’s about the NCAA profiting because you sure ignored that in your response.

Anyway…just because something is legal doesn’t mean it should be allowed. I’m sure they didn’t ban it without advisement of the medical community. Is it a masking agent, perhaps?
The NCAA employees are paid to enforce this stuff. Money that is made on revenue from media contracts is funneled to a variety of people. There are far too many dollars being used by the NCAA for bureaucracy in general. If the NCAA really cared about the health of athletes they would ban what is actually harming the athletes not things that prevent injuries and increase performance. 6m per year us funneled between testing and "education" if you need a number. Don't even get me started on total numbers if we add in gambling and other compliance education. This is money earned by these athletes that is handed out to cronies. Follow the money.
 
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JoeBagobagels

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🤣 So you bring up Sandusky and then say there’s about a 0% chance of these things being covered up, when that’s precisely what transpired? Can’t make this **** up!
You obviously don't understand much about this issue. Child sexual abuse in an institutional setting is not the same as individual cases of adult sexual assault.

Ever hear of Trevor Bauer? Brian Banks? Amber Heard?

Bauer lost millions over a false claim. Banks was in prison for years.
 

JoeBagobagels

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If by comprende you mean they are not similar or at all related than sure I understand the foolish straw man comparison. The more rules is what opens grey areas. Make the rules the exact same as the law. Why have a grey area where none

The NCAA employees are paid to enforce this stuff. Money that is made on revenue from media contracts is funneled to a variety of people. There are far too many dollars being used by the NCAA for bureaucracy in general. If the NCAA really cared about the health of athletes they would ban what is actually harming the athletes not things that prevent injuries and increase performance. 6m per year us funneled between testing and "education" if you need a number. Don't even get me started on total numbers if we add in gambling and other compliance education. This is money earned by these athletes that is handed out to cronies. Follow the money.
Very few grasp the grift of the bureaucracy.
 

JoeBagobagels

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You are lost in your own mind. There is a black market? There has and always will be a black market. How could anyone be opposed to something that creates that many benefits? Why are we holding back science when it is available? Time to move out of the stone age. Less lung timeouts and less injuries should be a goal not something to complain about. I'm sure PSU would be on the leading edge since they have smarter people than the corn rats running the show in flyover land, but that is a different topic altogether.
Ever see the side effects of approved meds?
My wife is on hormone replacement for menopause . It's been a life saver for her. Let's just say the normal hormonal levels for people are nonsense .
 

Hawkapottomos Rex

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My question would be if they are illegal and are tested after conference meets and NCAA why do I never see anyone being disqualified after the B1G or during the NCAA? I have a hard time understanding how lots of teams use them but never penalized? tks
The logical conclusion is they aren't tested for. Surely someone on here could confirm it without taking the word of a Penn State troll.
 

Crablegs1

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The logical conclusion is they aren't tested for. Surely someone on here could confirm it without taking the word of a Penn State troll.
No, it is a very easy answer. If you know when the test is, it is very easy to make sure you won’t test positive at that date. Which is why saying the NCAA tests is a joke.

Let’s just say guys are going to the Treigning Lab and getting performance enhancers. These guys have it figured out and know exactly what the two weekends in March that you could get tested. You’d have to be an absolute idiot to pop when you know the test date a year in advance.
 

Cidhawkeye

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You know you lose all the wrestling duals between the two when you resort to crying "he cheated" Your parents should have corrected that behavior when you were toddlers.
It’s right up there with
‘They started doing that AFTER they were done wrestling there’
Or
‘Joepa did all that he was required to do’
Or
‘It was just a money grab by kids’
Or
‘the police couldn’t find the guy during the season’

deflect, deny, diminish and if that doesn’t work throw in some rationalization and always go to opposing teams boards to do all of it.
 

Praguehawk

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You are lost in your own mind. There is a black market? There has and always will be a black market. How could anyone be opposed to something that creates that many benefits? Why are we holding back science when it is available? Time to move out of the stone age. Less lung timeouts and less injuries should be a goal not something to complain about. I'm sure PSU would be on the leading edge since they have smarter people than the corn rats running the show in flyover land, but that is a different topic altogether.
You are a 19 year old looks-maxxer. Ain’t ya.
 

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Idiot You Are So Dumb GIF

I can assure you at least one team out east has been doing this and more for oh let’s say 15 years.
 

District 4

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They have options these days and are now getting paid if you haven't been paying attention. Anthony Cassar is doing quite well in real estate. MMA pays more than Olympic gold also. why is Stevenson doing it? Who wasn't an Olympic champion when Cassar beat him twice. Gable was a true freshman back then.

Retherford? Has two young kids, his wife is running a day care center and he's still wrestling. Believe it or not these fellows often have businesses outside of the sport.
It went over his head with "they"
 

PUR158

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I have friends and interact with a bunch of NCAA D1 wrestlers. I know several that have been pulled for a random pee test immediately after a match at conferences and NCAAs. If you don’t believe me (although it would be fairly easy to figure out how I’m involved in wrestling) I’m sure @Corby2 can chime in. Beyond that, excuse me if I haven’t experienced it myself.
Oh, you were teammates with Vhsalum? Congratulations on your accomplishments, good health and prosperity in the new year!
 

Strength1

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You are lost in your own mind. There is a black market? There has and always will be a black market. How could anyone be opposed to something that creates that many benefits? Why are we holding back science when it is available? Time to move out of the stone age. Less lung timeouts and less injuries should be a goal not something to complain about. I'm sure PSU would be on the leading edge since they have smarter people than the corn rats running the show in flyover land, but that is a different topic altogether.
You and Joe are the lost ones...
Science is not being held back. Joe uses the example of hormone therapy for his wife...
Both of you should slap yourself upside the heads. There is a huge difference between an M.D. prescribing Peptide Therapy and an athlete just deciding they are going to buy CJC-1295 GHRH for mass, strength, recovery, for the sole reason of Physique and Performance. There are legitimate reasons that they are sold under the guise of "for lab use only" or "not for human consumption". When something is sold in the so called grey area it is illicit, low- quality and/or counterfeit.
Back when I was an understudy of Mike Arthur at Nebraska people made the same really dumb argument. Get out of the stone age, why not let athletes help with recovery, endurance, injury prevention and faster healing. Peptides for athletes are still very experimental as to long term issues. Even FDA approved Peptides can be short term or for life depending on the specific body function being improved.
Science is not being held back as long term trials are going and have been for some time. Blood testing is super important to actually see if these gains are just isolated to the body function being enhanced or are there unintended consequences.
Penn State fans and Michigan fans are the two groups that will claim to be the smartest in the room. "My wife is on hormone therapy and it does wonders for her." Okay Joe, did her breast size increase, is she juicier than before, did her mood swings turn to bubbly and happy all the time? I'm genuinely happy for you but what does that have to do with lung capacity and athletic performance?
The NCAA sucks. No fan base would argue that or that they are driven by money. Has zero to do with the worldwide issue of doping. Athletic performance is also about an athletes health and the ability of them to be able to seek out proper medical care and therapy for sports related injuries. Someone has to look after athletes long term health.
You seem to be stuck on insults about the Iowa program and coaches all the while you have zero knowledge of what goes on at Penn State in the Biomechanics Lab or you would be able to have more grounded discussion about athletic performance.
 

AndEEss

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No, it is a very easy answer. If you know when the test is, it is very easy to make sure you won’t test positive at that date. Which is why saying the NCAA tests is a joke.

Let’s just say guys are going to the Treigning Lab and getting performance enhancers. These guys have it figured out and know exactly what the two weekends in March that you could get tested. You’d have to be an absolute idiot to pop when you know the test date a year in advance.

Lilledahl, Blaze, Duke, Mesenbrink, Haines and Barr are all in the USADA testing pool as members of the Senior National Team. As such, subject to random USADA testing.

Any single one of those guys gets tested more than the entire Iowa college team. Hell, there are individual Iowa women (Blades, etc.) that get tested more than your entire men’s team.
 

bobchawk

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You should probably make a point before asking this. You really want me to define legal? Google is your friend. You freely admit that you can buy performance enhancers over the counter which was my original point. Why make them against the rules?
Sports are meant to be man on man. Practice,train, whatever.
They were not meant to be genetically engineered.
When you have to take chit to win at something you really have lost because in your mind you had to have that.
 

Strength1

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Lilledahl, Blaze, Duke, Mesenbrink, Haines and Barr are all in the USADA testing pool as members of the Senior National Team. As such, subject to random USADA testing.

Any single one of those guys gets tested more than the entire Iowa college team. Hell, there are individual Iowa women (Blades, etc.) that get tested more than your entire men’s team.
Another Penn State chest puffer. Congrats those guys test with USADA. Really proves what they did or didn't do before being in the USADA testing pool. What was your point? I'll also add that until doping test's are blood tests with baseline polygraph testing to also be included it is just the bare bones.
Interesting that all of you are so concerned with Iowa wrestlers and seem to know how often anyone is tested. I suppose three or four of you get texts when any Penn State or Iowa wrestler gets tested. Ridiculous?! No different than all the Penn State posts on this board.
 
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Sabula

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Another Penn State chest puffer. Congrats those guys test with USADA. Really proves what they did or didn't do before being in the USADA testing pool. What was your point? I'll also add that until doping test's are blood tests with baseline polygraph testing to also be included it is just the bare bones.
Interesting that all of you are so concerned with Iowa wrestlers and seem to know how often anyone is tested. I suppose three or four of you get texts when any Penn State or Iowa wrestler gets tested. Ridiculous?! No different than all the Penn State posts on this board.
Starocci says... right on!
 

Laker3588

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Lilledahl, Blaze, Duke, Mesenbrink, Haines and Barr are all in the USADA testing pool as members of the Senior National Team. As such, subject to random USADA testing.

Any single one of those guys gets tested more than the entire Iowa college team. Hell, there are individual Iowa women (Blades, etc.) that get tested more than your entire men’s team.
Yeah okay lol
 

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I know some were concerned the cesspool would t transfer over to here. I think it's alive and well. Happy new years everyone!
 
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TheREALSpooner

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The NCAA employees are paid to enforce this stuff. Money that is made on revenue from media contracts is funneled to a variety of people. There are far too many dollars being used by the NCAA for bureaucracy in general. If the NCAA really cared about the health of athletes they would ban what is actually harming the athletes not things that prevent injuries and increase performance. 6m per year us funneled between testing and "education" if you need a number. Don't even get me started on total numbers if we add in gambling and other compliance education. This is money earned by these athletes that is handed out to cronies. Follow the money.

They are banned by every other major pro sport and the Olympics. So this is an NCAA thing in what way, exactly?
 
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Crablegs1

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Lilledahl, Blaze, Duke, Mesenbrink, Haines and Barr are all in the USADA testing pool as members of the Senior National Team. As such, subject to random USADA testing.

Any single one of those guys gets tested more than the entire Iowa college team. Hell, there are individual Iowa women (Blades, etc.) that get tested more than your entire men’s team.
I’m not sure what you’re talking about? I never said anything about PSU and those guys. My only contention here is that NCAA does not have a sufficient drug testing program for wrestling. Sure, guys in the USADA testing pool are legit. That is not 99% of NCAA wrestlers.