Per BDJ, the ink is dry on Carmon and Ballard
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...about us signing Mt. Carmon, and he was just as quick to say "we backed off". BTW, he gets all his recruiting news from Yancy. Funny how Rebel-fan thinks everybody wants to go there and if they don't get someone, they just "backed off" (probably said the same thing about Peyton Manning).
Maybe he'll be a Tommy Kelly-type program-destroying cancer, maybe he'll be our version of Bammer's Mt. Cody. What I do know is you can't coach 6' 7", 350 lbs.
Maybe he'll be a Tommy Kelly-type program-destroying cancer, maybe he'll be our version of Bammer's Mt. Cody. What I do know is you can't coach 6' 7", 350 lbs.
I was working with a huge UM fan at the time and he just kept saying, "I just can't believe that Archie would let him sign with Tennessee after the way they made fun of him back in the late 60s." I tried to explain to him that a good father realizes that this is the son's decision and supports his decision. That message just never got through to him.
Carmon. It wasn't for grades (although I think he was cutting it close for a Dec. grad) or because he isn't good (obviously needs to drop a few pounds), but because we have a team full of junior and senior D-tackles. We needed HS tackles to develop. He would have probably been in the rotation some, but as our genius football team that Orgeron put together cost us APR ranking points resulting in a loss of 3 scholarships, we have to fill our needs, which are OL, LB, CB. Go back and read his interviews. He was talking about committing to OM and convincing the other two players from his JC (who we signed) to come with him. Suddenly, after we hear that we backed off, he has this abhorent hatred for OM, yelling "+*!+ Ole Miss" in the MSU locker room? Put two and two together. Good luck to the kid....just not against us.
As to Bumphis.... we did back off, but that was only because he had no interest in coming to OM, and our coaches finally conceded. Obviously, we would love to have had him.
As to Bumphis.... we did back off, but that was only because he had no interest in coming to OM, and our coaches finally conceded. Obviously, we would love to have had him.
graddawg said:
If anyone says we backed off Bumphis, they are lying. We wanted him. We want Eulls and Johnson, too. You beat us for them.
However, on the Carmon front, Ole Miss certainly did back off. Not because he isn't going to be a good player, but when you are limited in the schollies you have, as we are this year thanks to APR, you have to sign the players you have slotted as the best players. We have thee DT's that are slotted higher than him(Martin, Bennett, and Jones), and have a great shot at two, and a realistic shot at the third. Couple that with the fact that these three are HS kids and Carmon is a JUCO, it makes sense. Especially since this is a position that we don't need to sign a JUCO. We have 3-4 solid DT's returning, so you get the best HS players you can get there.
Again, this doesn't mean that Ole Miss thinks Carmon can't play, just that you have to maximize the schollies you have left. Any other year when we have a full 25 to offer, we certainly don't pass on him. We just have other major needs right now.
I guess that is the same as us saying we backed off: Ryan Perilloux, Pat Patterson, Kenny Ashley etc.
When M.S.U doesn't seal the deal it = We got beaten.
When the rebs don't seal the deal it = We backed off.
I'm starting to understand how this works now.
I always figured Peyton signed with UT because OM was under investigation or just put on probation and Joe Lee Dunn was the head coach. If not for those things, I figured he would have been a Reb. You would think anyone with any sense would understand his decision given their situation at the time.
Brewer helped us out a time or two after all.
Brewer helped us out a time or two after all.
My friend had a lot of inside contacts in Oxford and he said that Brewer was convinced Peyton would sign with UM and was shocked when he didn't. He'd even gone so far as to hire a new offensive coordinator with a wide open offense the year before just for Peyton (I thought it was hilarious when he hired the guy he said he was installing the offense he'd always wanted to run and I just thought you've been there for 10 years and you're just now getting around to installing the offense you've always wanted to run). The looming probation was obviously a huge factor in Peyton not signing with UM. Another huge factor was his brother having to quit football a couple of years earlier due to a narrow spinal column. If he'd been playing WR for Mississippi, I doubt Peyton would have passed up the chance to throw to him.
You say Ole Miss backed off, because of your Jr. and Sr. depth on the DL. Well, did Nutt not know their depth on the DL when they offered? I mean did Nutt just realize that Ole Miss needs HS DT? I'm not saying Ole Miss didn't back off, but your reasoning doesn't add up. Also, to say he was on the verge of committing to Ole Miss, well the same could be said for Msu. Even after his trip to Ole Miss, where he would naturally be coming off a high, he mentions that if Msu wows him that it was going to be a tough decision for him. And that's coming from a Yancy article. Personally, I hope Ole Miss keeps "backing off" recruits....
They only backed off when he told them he wasn't coming and they wanted both he and Dorsey. They are limited in whom they can sign but knowing their past, they'll pay a couple to walk on if they can just like they did with Luke in the Tubberville era.
proof to back that up. You making **** up is just as bad as Yancy making **** up. I don't know why we slow played Carmon, but we did, much to the disappointment of a large portion of our fan base including me. He's a specimen, and I think we could have used him, but our coaches didn't follow through- I don't know why, but they didn't. Here's what he said after visiting Ole Miss:
He left Oxford without giving his commitment, but it would be a mistake to assume the visit went poorly.
"It might just happen," Carmon said. "I'm going to call (Ole Miss defensive line) Coach (Terry) Price tonight on some new stuff and if he gives me the right answers, I'm there."
Specifically, Carmon said he wants to know how Price plans to use a player of his frame _ 6-foot-7, 370 pounds _ given how much taller he is compared to the defensive tackles Ole Miss has on campus now. Ole Miss' four defensive tackles _ Lawon Scott, Ted Laurent, Jerrell Powe and LaMark Armour _ are all in the 6-1 to 6-2 range.
"Now they have some short guys," Carmon said. "I want to see where he would put me in terms of where they'd put me on the field."
Ole Miss runs a 4-3 defense and rotates defensive lines, seemingly every four plays, and the Rebels' scheme is appealing.
"I talked to Coach Price yesterday and I asked him about that because they have four junior tackles and how that worked out for me," Carmon said. "He said I'd definitely be in a rotation. He said they rotate every four plays. That's how I observed it (during the Rebels' 22-3 loss to Alabama Saturday). There are really not starters. They all play the same exact time. Some might get a little more reps than others. If I were to commit, I'd be playing. I'd put myself in a position where I can play and I'll play harder than everybody.
Carmon, who also claims offers from Alabama, Coastal Carolina, Memphis, Mississippi State, Penn State, South Florida and Tennessee, said Ole Miss is clearly the leader.
"I definitely see myself being there," Carmon said. "The players were telling me it's the place to be. They said you go to school and play football and everything else works out."
Carmon said he liked what he saw off the field during his 48 hours at Ole Miss as well.
"My visit went good," Carmon said. "I liked Ole Miss. I like it up there. The fans are good, the coaching staff is good. I like the atmosphere up there. It was live. …It stands good right now. It went well for me."
He left Oxford without giving his commitment, but it would be a mistake to assume the visit went poorly.
"It might just happen," Carmon said. "I'm going to call (Ole Miss defensive line) Coach (Terry) Price tonight on some new stuff and if he gives me the right answers, I'm there."
Specifically, Carmon said he wants to know how Price plans to use a player of his frame _ 6-foot-7, 370 pounds _ given how much taller he is compared to the defensive tackles Ole Miss has on campus now. Ole Miss' four defensive tackles _ Lawon Scott, Ted Laurent, Jerrell Powe and LaMark Armour _ are all in the 6-1 to 6-2 range.
"Now they have some short guys," Carmon said. "I want to see where he would put me in terms of where they'd put me on the field."
Ole Miss runs a 4-3 defense and rotates defensive lines, seemingly every four plays, and the Rebels' scheme is appealing.
"I talked to Coach Price yesterday and I asked him about that because they have four junior tackles and how that worked out for me," Carmon said. "He said I'd definitely be in a rotation. He said they rotate every four plays. That's how I observed it (during the Rebels' 22-3 loss to Alabama Saturday). There are really not starters. They all play the same exact time. Some might get a little more reps than others. If I were to commit, I'd be playing. I'd put myself in a position where I can play and I'll play harder than everybody.
Carmon, who also claims offers from Alabama, Coastal Carolina, Memphis, Mississippi State, Penn State, South Florida and Tennessee, said Ole Miss is clearly the leader.
"I definitely see myself being there," Carmon said. "The players were telling me it's the place to be. They said you go to school and play football and everything else works out."
Carmon said he liked what he saw off the field during his 48 hours at Ole Miss as well.
"My visit went good," Carmon said. "I liked Ole Miss. I like it up there. The fans are good, the coaching staff is good. I like the atmosphere up there. It was live. …It stands good right now. It went well for me."