Per Rowland, Stoops has his new OC (will be announced next week)
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this.
The University is already paying out contracts of former coaches. There has been a ton of money spent that has to be taken into consideration. In fact, I believe we will still owe Coach Dawson about a half mill a year until 2018 if he decides to go fishin and not coaching. (boy would I like a shot like that)
Coach Stoops unless he does something insane will be here two more years.
He would have to go full Gillispie mode and physically abuse players or alter transcripts (and get caught doing it) for UK to be off the hook on his contract.
We got him. He's ours. We just need to hope he gets this off season and maybe some brotherly advice on how to pull this stuff together.
To be honest.....I can live with another 5-7 year. I just don't want to see the kids laying down and not competing.
At least let the other guys know they've played against a real football team
when the game is over.
Everyone keeps saying "go pay a coach and we will be good." We get a coach that is recruiting better than we ever have and we pay him, then everyone bitches about having paid the coaches. We paid too much. Why give them buyouts. Its the only way to get good coaches. Especially here. . Make up your mind. If we "go pay a coach" we are stuck with the coach we pay. We took Curry from Alabama. Everyone keeps saying he was on his way out at Alabama, but he won the SEC and was SEC coach of the year the year he came to UK. Then, he didn't win here, so everyone said get rid of him. It is obviously hard to win here.
Yep. I was complimenting Coley. UKfan above me was saying it would a disaster to hire Coley.
Yes, Randy Sanders. I'm mostly joking, but I wouldn't be too disappointed it it's him. When he was here, there was improvement in the QBs. He's also had success at FSU as QB Coach IIRC (coached Winston during his Heisman yr). B/C he was at FSU, there's a tie to CMS.
The biggest drawback, IMO, was his offense was so complicated it took the QB 2-3 yrs to learn it. I do recall the first 3 games of 2012, we threw it A LOT. I think Max Smith had about 960 yds in the first 3 games before he got hurt. So there was a glimmer of upside (QB improvement, ball movement), but with some downside for sure (complexity, team was terrible).
I think the reason so many people are so high on Coley is that he is known as a GREAT recruiter. Does anyone know if the OC job has been posted yet?
^^ Is this sarcasm? Sonny played while I was at UK, a fantastic RB I once saw him run about 75 yards and drop the ball with no defender even around him. I am not criticizing him, just sharing a memory from oh so long ago.
It's a different thing to pay for the best and just simply upping salaries. This came up on the thread last week when someone pointed out that we need to do pay our assistants more. What exactly does that accomplish? It's one thing to have highly paid assistants because you spent money and went out to hire the top names. It's something totally different if you don't have the top names and you just simply increase their salary to what the top names are making. When you hear people saying we need to pay more to win what they are saying is that we don't need to increase our current staff's salary as much as we need to be in the market for the names that Georgia and Florida are going after.
Bingo.
The only relevant point on UK's salary and where it ranks in the SEC is whether or not UK has been willing to pay for the best.
If the only people willing to come coach at UK are the bottom tier coaches, then those UK coaches are getting paid what they deserve.
Once again, is UK willing to pay the best coaches the salaries it takes to bring them here? Can anyone cite an example of a great assistant being interested in joining this staff, but UK wouldn't pay them?
Breaking news.....Joker Phillips will once again be Kentucky's OC
Source: the horrific nightmare I had last night......:smiley:
Source: the horrific nightmare I had last night......:smiley:
Joker actually did pretty well here as OC. Things didn't completely fall apart until he became HC. I wish we could find someone who could duplicate the kind of offensive production we had in the 2006 and 2007 seasons.
In a high school game I saw Sonny on a long run fumble, the opponent picked it up and ran down field for 80 yards only to have Sonny catch him and take to ball away. Then he ran it back for a long TD> Crazy crazy play.
Now that was a hell of a play.
Maybe we can get that OC.
yeah heard it floating around, that he just turned down being oc at Texas. So he ain't coming here.
I'm not sure that we have refused to pay for the best as much as the best just don't want to coach here. Our coaches haven't been leaving because other people pay them more. They get fired because we haven't won. We may have to pay unproven coaches more than other teams because it is the only way we can get them to come here. Proven coaches just don't want to come here. I'm coming around to the thought that there are only 2 ways that we can ever get out of the cellar in the SEC:
1. Give an unproven coach like Stoops that is recruiting much better talent here a significant amount of time to build this program from the bottom up. I mean 7-9 years to get enough lineman that we have talent 2-3 deep on both sides of the line. We can always get a few skill players that make a difference, and have seemed to consistently have some of this talent, but we never have enough big guys to compete against SEC teams and control the line of scrimmage.
2. Go pay a ridiculous amount (and it would have to be ridiculous) to talk a name like Saban or Parcells or something really stupid to come here. The number would have to be twice what anyone else would pay them just to get them here. Once we get them, we would have to lock them down in a contract that they have to stay for x number of years or give all the money back. This is not likely to ever happen because such a deal could never be struck, but that is one way that I think we could get out of where we are.
Every game he would have a few head scratchers though, like running the option with Woodson and his love for the bubble screen on 3 and 10, etc..
Whoever is named OC you can bet there will be an all-time record of sunshine pumping.
lol....yeah. He's the answer until he isn't. A successful STAFF is just that. It's a team in itself. Yep....one or two coaches can have an off game. See what happens at schools like OSU or Bama when they have an off season. There were odds Lane Kiffen was gone at Bama after each loss. All of three in two years I believe.
The OC job at UK will be a hard gig. Always is. Joker Phillips was successful with it and got promoted over his head. Coaches that make a big improvement at schools that are historically bad....like us...tend to get promoted quickly out of those schools.
At the same time, it can have it's benefits. If Dawson had shown improvement, he could say look at what I did. Since it didn't, he can say it was a mess when I got there and I didn't have time to get the kids in I wanted to fix it.
all while folding up a really nice golden parachute for three more years.
You would probably be a negative nancy even if Nick Saban came to coach here. You're no better than any of the "sunshine pumpers"
Players follow high profile coaches. If Saban came to Kentucky the Florida losing streak would end and many 5 star talent would follow just like they do with calipari.
As far as my joker comment.......we wouldn't win 3 games with him being the oc even if we had Mr. Nationwide as our qb.
As far as my joker comment.......we wouldn't win 3 games with him being the oc even if we had Mr. Nationwide as our qb.
I remember all the hype Shannon Dawson received when he came here. I was a bit perplexed by all of it because it didn't look like Dawson had the resume that even resembled Riley or Gran. I have always felt Riley was slow-playing his offer from us waiting for a more attractive offer which did indeed come. But I was never that enthusiastic about Dawson. I didn't see where he had actually been a successful coordinator at a major program.
After his hire some of the things he said were fed flags for me. When he said he could not coach a QB how to be more accurate that was a big red flag for me. I mean even Nicholas and Woods have their coaches to help them and golf is nothing but accuracy. How could a coach say such an asinine thing? Was he totally unaware of QB schools such as Top Gun that do precisely that? Increase a QB's understanding of the mechanics of passing the ball thereby increasing his ability to make accurate throws more consistently? Had he never heard what some great QB's have said about who and what improved their game and specifically their accuracy?
Then my doubts were bolstered by the ULL game. We came out blazing the first half scoring 24 points but then turned touchdown drives into field goals and hung on to beat ULL 40-33. This was a team Neal Brown's Troy beat 41-17. I wasn't impressed and I never was impressed the rest of the season. We had a really good chance against Florida and blew it. We should have won that game but the same players who had put up 30 points in the swamp under Brown put up a measly 9 points in our house under Dawson. Please don't talk about Florida's defense as an excuse either Muschamp problems at Florida had nothing to do with defense, they were ranked 15th that year in scoring defense. He is a good defense coach. People who excuse that performance own the 29 game losing streak.
That is when I lost confidence in where our offense was headed. That's why I think Dawson can't carry Neal Brown's jock. That's why if Gran does come here I think it will be reason for optimism.
After his hire some of the things he said were fed flags for me. When he said he could not coach a QB how to be more accurate that was a big red flag for me. I mean even Nicholas and Woods have their coaches to help them and golf is nothing but accuracy. How could a coach say such an asinine thing? Was he totally unaware of QB schools such as Top Gun that do precisely that? Increase a QB's understanding of the mechanics of passing the ball thereby increasing his ability to make accurate throws more consistently? Had he never heard what some great QB's have said about who and what improved their game and specifically their accuracy?
Then my doubts were bolstered by the ULL game. We came out blazing the first half scoring 24 points but then turned touchdown drives into field goals and hung on to beat ULL 40-33. This was a team Neal Brown's Troy beat 41-17. I wasn't impressed and I never was impressed the rest of the season. We had a really good chance against Florida and blew it. We should have won that game but the same players who had put up 30 points in the swamp under Brown put up a measly 9 points in our house under Dawson. Please don't talk about Florida's defense as an excuse either Muschamp problems at Florida had nothing to do with defense, they were ranked 15th that year in scoring defense. He is a good defense coach. People who excuse that performance own the 29 game losing streak.
That is when I lost confidence in where our offense was headed. That's why I think Dawson can't carry Neal Brown's jock. That's why if Gran does come here I think it will be reason for optimism.
We only had good offenses when we had a lot of NFL talent on that side of the ball. As soon as those guys graduated, we went back to the cellar. His offenses were terrible after the special 07 class graduated.
I believe we have guys that have a great shot at playing on Sunday if they develope properly. Baker,bone both IMO have the talent and juice has a shot at making it as a 4th.-5th wr on a team.Greenwood and Richardson we don't know yet.. But boom has the talent along with Conrad. You have toth at center that is a possibility AA should make it as a guard.. Then you add levitt and young this year who have the potential to be good enough.
This process has moved quickly, which suggests that Stoops probably had his man before letting Dawson go or just after. The search for Dawson seemed to go through Lincoln Riley and took some time. I think Stoops officially announced the spot open, this time, because he already has his person.
One other thing to note, I am confident that Stoops had a sitdown with Mitch and our AD and HC were on the same page.
One other thing to note, I am confident that Stoops had a sitdown with Mitch and our AD and HC were on the same page.
If Stoops would stop meddling with the Offense and ruining it, he wouldn't have to hire a new OC every year.
There's no evidence that supports this claim.
3 OC's in 4 years supports it.
Plus the fact that Stoops is always jawing in the OC's ear.
I've noticed that several people have said that stoops was always in the ear of his offensive coordinators. It's possible that he could have meddled with the offense. He could have been trying to ask questions and trying to get on the same page with Dawson as well. It doesn't matter what level of football that is played, the head coach has every right to make changes on different aspects of the game because he is the man in charge. Not saying I agree with stoops decisions. He has made several poor decisions in his time here. Whether it be hires on his staff or in game coaching blunders, the man has made several mistakes. I respect that he has admitted to his mistakes and corrected one of them by getting a new offensive coordinator. Not everything that the man has done here is as bad as what some people let on though. He's done a great job recruiting and getting facilities upgraded. We just have to hope for the best and build on the improved recruiting and changes in the coaching staff.