Perspective

[FlabLoser]

When news broke of Da'Rick Rogers getting booted from Tennessee, I perused some Tennessee boards to get some scoop and look at their reaction.

Most were saying he was a great, but wasted talent and that Tennessee might be better without him. The mood was somber but still supportive of the school. There was no speculating about what NCAA scandal was behind it. There were no conspiracy theories about booster shenanigans. No speculating about who else might be involved and what kind of trouble the school might get in.

When Camgate happened at Auburn, Auburn fans were defiant. They still are. They're "all in". That doesn't mean that to a man they each chip into a slush fund and actively participate in cheating. Plain & simple they are just supportive of their own school.

At Auburn & Tennessee, you don't see people who run recruiting boards (I'm looking at YOU, Wardlaw) running to the media and blabbering about how much trouble their school is in and predicting how much probation is being thrown out. You don't see these people implicating their own boosters.

At Auburn & Tennessee you don't see their OWN FANS throwing their OWN SCHOOL under the bus. You don't see rampant speculation and accusations that could attract attention to the wrong places and get them in even more trouble. You don't see them fueling fires that burn them.

You wonder why Auburn can pay Cam one eighty large but Kevin Fant's mom can't by her son a set of damn tires? You wonder why the rest of the world cheats with reckless abandon while MSU is held to a different set of rules? I'll tell you why.

I've seen the enemy and the enemy is US.

Support your school. Don't be stupid. Don't sling mud in your own house! Its not complicated. Don't make it harder than it is.

Flab, out.

 

[missouridawg]

You wonder why Auburn can pay Cam one eighty large but Kevin Fant's mom can't by her son a set of damn tires?

I'm not going to go into great detail, but you don't know what happened with Fant's tires if this is what you think occurred.

 

[FlabLoser]

$180k vs a set of tires. Don't even go there.

 

[missouridawg]

$180k vs a set of tires. Don't even go there.

I'm definitely not comparing tires to 180k. I'm stating that Fant didn't get in trouble because his mom tried to buy him a set of tires.

 

[FlabLoser]

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it to you.

I go off on how our fanbase's negative attitude hurts us and you respond by implicating a former player.

/facepalm.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it to you.

I go off on how our fanbase's negative attitude hurts us and you respond by implicating a former player.

/facepalm.

+1

 

[missouridawg]

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it to you.

I go off on how our fanbase's negative attitude hurts us and you respond by implicating a former player.

/facepalm.

I never once stated that Fant got into trouble for something he did or didn't do. I'm not the NCAA nor the police. But the story you just stated about his mom trying to buy him tires is factually incorrect and I'd appreciate it if you didn't get so sensitive when people help you get your story straight.

And I'm on board with the gist of your post. I think guys like Wardlaw are not good for our University.

 

[maroonmadman]

Amen Flab !

I get weary of our fanbases estrogen laced frenzy every time there's a hint of inpropriority and the NCAA gets mentioned. It's about time most of our fanbase grew the hell up and acted like they've got a friggin pair. I've been watching the Dawgs since the late 60's and for the first time we have an athletic administration and coaches who are doing things the right way and not taking any **** in the process. We don't have to be po' lil ol Mis'sipi 'tate any more. Grow you some folks.

So if the NCAA wants to investigate us bring em on! In fact I would like to be the first to invite any NCAA investigators to personally stop by my house and Suck. My. Dick. and while you're on your knees there Mr. NCAA investigator please be as so kind as to gently tickle my balls. I'll enjoy it more and you can get up off your knees quicker that way. You're going to suck off Saban and Miles and other high profile coaches so you can suck me too. 17 those ********. 17 being a friggin doormat. They can kiss our collective hairy Bulldog asses.

While I'm on a roll with this rant who gives a hairy rats *** about the particulars and details of Fants tire purchase escapade? Flab was trying to make a bigger point and all some of our vaginal fans can think to do is nit pick the details. Screw that meaningless **** and get on board folks.

End rant.

 

[tenureplan]

^internet badass^

How we act on a message board has no bearing on what the NCAA will or will not do.

 

[thatsbaseball]

I`m just pissed we got caught. *

nm

 

[maroonman]

There is one HUGE difference...

the schools you've mentioned have one strategy apparently when it comes to the NCAA, "deny, deny, deny". Auburn played that card to the hilt with Camgate and came out smelling like a rose. MSU on the other hand is in the "self report everything and hold hands with the NCAA while they investigate" mode. So there is no defending your school when we've already admitted guilt and now its just a matter of seeing what kind of trouble we will get into. As I said schools like Auburn, Tennessee, Ole Miss (can you say CJ) NEVER admit to anything and its seems to work great for them. We on the other hand hand the NCAA the whip to beat us with. In theory self reporting may be a good strategy but from what I've seen in reality it does nothing but make the NCAA's job VERY easy. When the NCAA is forced to work to find wrongdoing they usually come up empty and just like in the Cam Newton case the school gets away clean. Do you know of any other school self reporting that a booster improperly helped get a player? I don't but I do know that it happens all the time.

 

[missouridawg]

nm

Couldn't have said it better.

 

[FlabLoser]

Beat writers get ideas from message boards. Media publicity influences the NCAA, who then has more to work with than what a school self reported.

I am glad that many of you are getting the picture. But some of you...wow, shouldn't have the internets.

 

[FlabLoser]

Like at Tennessee and Auburn, getting caught would hurt a lot less if our own people, our fans, and our recruiting websites supported their own damn school instead of adding to negative buzz, negative publicity, inviting the NCAA to hammer harder, and inviting the NCAA to hit other targets within e family based on speculation, slander, and other wild *** ideas that we serve up to the NCAA and Brandon Marcello.

 

[57stratdawg]

the schools you've mentioned have one strategy apparently when it comes to the NCAA, "deny, deny, deny". Auburn played that card to the hilt with Camgate and came out smelling like a rose. MSU on the other hand is in the "self report everything and hold hands with the NCAA while they investigate" mode. So there is no defending your school when we've already admitted guilt and now its just a matter of seeing what kind of trouble we will get into. As I said schools like Auburn, Tennessee, Ole Miss (can you say CJ) NEVER admit to anything and its seems to work great for them. We on the other hand hand the NCAA the whip to beat us with. In theory self reporting may be a good strategy but from what I've seen in reality it does nothing but make the NCAA's job VERY easy. When the NCAA is forced to work to find wrongdoing they usually come up empty and just like in the Cam Newton case the school gets away clean. Do you know of any other school self reporting that a booster improperly helped get a player? I don't but I do know that it happens all the time.

I agree. It's not 'deny, deny, deny', it's more like 'Lawyer up and shut the f*ck up'. The next time we have a big time booster donate a million bucks, we should use the money hire a legal team at the AD. If there already is one, we should double it's current size and budget. We should hire guys straight out of New York, not some good ole boy from Birmingham and Jackson.

That would help more than anything else I can think of.

 

[shsdawg]

Exactly.

 

[RougeDawg]

We Are Mississippi State

You are correct, that his account of Fant's ordeal is incorrect. I believe he meant that Fant's stuff was 17ing peanuts compared to Camgate and other recent infractions from other schools.

It seems as if other programs skate on major infractions, while we get hammered for petty items. How to the Rebels blatantly, spit in the face of the NCAA, and get away with it, year after year? We sneeze incorrectly and lose 7 schollys.**

 

[DukeofFlowood]

I just don't get it. Why are we gunna talk about doin it

the right way if were actually cheatin. Are yall sure that this isn't just some tsun liberal news story? I mean, Coach Mullen said himself that Joe Schad lies. There's hope that this is gunna go away.

 

[topbulldawg]

I agree with missouridawg, bring facts to a debate, don't just make up stuff

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

yall know that mirando can't be forced to talk to the NCAA now since he's not a current coach right? i think that's probably why he resigned, so he couldn't be compelled to talk with the NCAA. it's why the NCAA is such a joke, the only programs that get caught are the ones that piss off someone who turns them in. otherwise they just deny deny deny and the NCAA can't really force anyone to talk who isn't a current employee or player at the university.

 

[Rockydawg]

Allow me to quote Robert de Niro portraying Jake LaMotta in the opening scene of that timeless movie masterpiece from 1980, Raging Bull:


"That's entertainment... That's entertainment."

 

[BiscuitEater]

Agree ...

I know little about what is even being 'suggested' we did beyond it may or may not have happened in Memphis by our WR coach but our fan base had dicided to take off running for the cliffs. Our so called 'beat writers' are fanning the flames as fast as they can & the 'base' panics more. Hell of a cycle and we do it to ourselves.

 

[FlabLoser]

Exhibit A:

I agree with missouridawg, bring facts to a debate, don't just make up stuff

 

[rabiddawg]

I'm not going to go into great detail, but you don't know what happened with Fant's tires if this is what you think occurred.

I can see the parallels he is drawing. The tire money was "loaned" to him by someone who wasn't his mom. The point Flab was making is we get busted for stupid **** and AU boosters can hide the GDP of Haiti while securing a QB.

 

[Tractorman]

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it to you.

I go off on how our fanbase's negative attitude hurts us and you respond by implicating a former player.

/facepalm.

+2 great point

 

[Jackdragbean]

Couldn't agree more.

I know little about what is even being 'suggested' we did beyond it may or may not have happened in Memphis by our WR coach but our fan base had dicided to take off running for the cliffs. Our so called 'beat writers' are fanning the flames as fast as they can & the 'base' panics more. Hell of a cycle and we do it to ourselves.

Rather than giving two ***** about this, I'd like to see more on the new WR coach. If Mullen doen't seem that worried about it, why the hell should I?

 

[beachbumdawg]

I know little about what is even being 'suggested' we did beyond it may or may not have happened in Memphis by our WR coach but our fan base had dicided to take off running for the cliffs. Our so called 'beat writers' are fanning the flames as fast as they can & the 'base' panics more. Hell of a cycle and we do it to ourselves.

well, the clarionledger did just go behind a pay wall, so I am sure that plays into their strategy for new subscriptions....if there is smoke, throw ******* (17'n) gasoline on it and see what burns down.

 

[beachbumdawg]

I'm not going to go into great detail, but you don't know what happened with Fant's tires if this is what you think occurred.

you are right flab's statement was factually incorrect...

 

[tebmsu97]

When news broke of Da'Rick Rogers getting booted from Tennessee, I perused some Tennessee boards to get some scoop and look at their reaction.

Most were saying he was a great, but wasted talent and that Tennessee might be better without him. The mood was somber but still supportive of the school. There was no speculating about what NCAA scandal was behind it. There were no conspiracy theories about booster shenanigans. No speculating about who else might be involved and what kind of trouble the school might get in.

When Camgate happened at Auburn, Auburn fans were defiant. They still are. They're "all in". That doesn't mean that to a man they each chip into a slush fund and actively participate in cheating. Plain & simple they are just supportive of their own school.

At Auburn & Tennessee, you don't see people who run recruiting boards (I'm looking at YOU, Wardlaw) running to the media and blabbering about how much trouble their school is in and predicting how much probation is being thrown out. You don't see these people implicating their own boosters.

At Auburn & Tennessee you don't see their OWN FANS throwing their OWN SCHOOL under the bus. You don't see rampant speculation and accusations that could attract attention to the wrong places and get them in even more trouble. You don't see them fueling fires that burn them.

You wonder why Auburn can pay Cam one eighty large but Kevin Fant's mom can't by her son a set of damn tires? You wonder why the rest of the world cheats with reckless abandon while MSU is held to a different set of rules? I'll tell you why.

I've seen the enemy and the enemy is US.

Support your school. Don't be stupid. Don't sling mud in your own house! Its not complicated. Don't make it harder than it is.

Flab, out.

Why I was glad this site now makes it through the work filters. Sir, I applaud you

 

[NatchezReb18]

the schools you've mentioned have one strategy apparently when it comes to the NCAA, "deny, deny, deny". Auburn played that card to the hilt with Camgate and came out smelling like a rose. MSU on the other hand is in the "self report everything and hold hands with the NCAA while they investigate" mode. So there is no defending your school when we've already admitted guilt and now its just a matter of seeing what kind of trouble we will get into. As I said schools like Auburn, Tennessee, Ole Miss (can you say CJ) NEVER admit to anything and its seems to work great for them. We on the other hand hand the NCAA the whip to beat us with. In theory self reporting may be a good strategy but from what I've seen in reality it does nothing but make the NCAA's job VERY easy. When the NCAA is forced to work to find wrongdoing they usually come up empty and just like in the Cam Newton case the school gets away clean. Do you know of any other school self reporting that a booster improperly helped get a player? I don't but I do know that it happens all the time.

Ole Miss self-reported violations back in the 1980s and the NCAA hammered them. I think that the NCAA doesn't punish you for what they can prove you have done, but punishes you for what they think you have done. I worry that they are still pissed about the Cam Newton recruitment and also the Renaldo Sidney deal.

 

[missouridawg]

I agree with missouridawg, bring facts to a debate, don't just make up stuff

I guess facts just aren't very important to some people. Never thought I'd get shunned for helping someone make their argument better.... but alas, I've been surprised before.

 

[fishwater99]

Great Post !!!!**

.

 

[missouridawg]

I can see the parallels he is drawing. The tire money was "loaned" to him by someone who wasn't his mom. The point Flab was making is we get busted for stupid **** and AU boosters can hide the GDP of Haiti while securing a QB.

At no point in an of my posts did I hint that his point wasn't valid, nor that I didn't understand what he was trying to say. I went as far as admitting that I agreed with his point. But his recollection of the Fant case was factually incorrect. I apologize for pointing it out cause it has obviously caused a lot of sandy vaginas.

 

[EAVdog]

Didn't the Penn State scandal get picked up from a messge board? (obviously a good example)

Yeah, they be trollin'. Especially Schad. I can all but gaurantee you that he was qouting Coach 34 when he reported that "his sources" said Mullen would be the next head coach at Penn State.

 

[coach66]

Good post Flab, one thing working in our favor on this deal

is that there are many schools involved in this mess they call Memphis right now and we may end up looking like the school that
handled it in the most forthright manner. There is also strength and numbers and it would be difficult to punish about half the teams
in the SEC simultaneously which may work in our favor. We have some good company on this one**

 

[Woof Man Jack]

When news broke of Da'Rick Rogers getting booted from Tennessee, I perused some Tennessee boards to get some scoop and look at their reaction.

Most were saying he was a great, but wasted talent and that Tennessee might be better without him. The mood was somber but still supportive of the school. There was no speculating about what NCAA scandal was behind it. There were no conspiracy theories about booster shenanigans. No speculating about who else might be involved and what kind of trouble the school might get in.

When Camgate happened at Auburn, Auburn fans were defiant. They still are. They're "all in". That doesn't mean that to a man they each chip into a slush fund and actively participate in cheating. Plain & simple they are just supportive of their own school.

At Auburn & Tennessee, you don't see people who run recruiting boards (I'm looking at YOU, Wardlaw) running to the media and blabbering about how much trouble their school is in and predicting how much probation is being thrown out. You don't see these people implicating their own boosters.

At Auburn & Tennessee you don't see their OWN FANS throwing their OWN SCHOOL under the bus. You don't see rampant speculation and accusations that could attract attention to the wrong places and get them in even more trouble. You don't see them fueling fires that burn them.

You wonder why Auburn can pay Cam one eighty large but Kevin Fant's mom can't by her son a set of damn tires? You wonder why the rest of the world cheats with reckless abandon while MSU is held to a different set of rules? I'll tell you why.

I've seen the enemy and the enemy is US.

Support your school. Don't be stupid. Don't sling mud in your own house! Its not complicated. Don't make it harder than it is.

Flab, out.

You are sadly mistaken if you think UT fans werent freaking out on sports radio Thursday afternoon. They are pissed...but not worried about the NCAA because dumb *** Da'Rick was smoking weed...something fans here have known for a long time. It's also not the first time he's had issues.

 

[awalkerdog]

Damn.....just Damn...

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it to you.

I go off on how our fanbase's negative attitude hurts us and you respond by implicating a former player.

/facepalm.

+3