Petrino gets new $30.625 million deal

[Strongtino]

I'm not sure what you linked but UK sos in 2015 was 6th louisville was 48th in 2014 uk was 5th and uofl 80th. We play 6 ranked teams on average a year no way we ever have a sos outside the top 25.

I'm not sure what data Team Rankings (the site ULoverUK referenced) uses to determine their SOS rankings but they are drastically different from the Sagarian SOS rankings.

UKs SOS according to Sagarian:

2015 - 57
2014 - 11
2013 - 14
2012 - 8
2011 - 41
2010 - 63
2009 - 35
2008 - 59
2007 - 17
2006 - 13

Avg SOS - 32

ULs SOS according to Sagarian:
2015 - 35
2014 - 45
2013 - 103
2012 - 70
2011 - 60
2010 - 75
2009 - 25
2008 - 81
2007 - 51
2006 - 27

Avg SOS - 57

This is the 10 year average based on Sagarian projections. ULs SOS will obviously look very different in 10 years after playing a decades worth of ACC schedules and scheduling teams like Auburn, Notre Dame and Alabama in the non-conference. Looking at UKs SOS last year only further illustrates what a huge missed opportunity last season was for Stoops and Kentucky as they had essentially the easiest schedule they've had in the 17 years of SOS data that Sagarian has available. But here's the 10 year SOS data...

If you go by NCAA SOS Rankings:

UK
2015 - 94
2014 - 47

UL
2015 - 54
2014 - 62

 

[trueblujr]

They won't win the ACC this year, but their QB will make UK look foolish.

If their QB is even able to play by our game. I can't see him staying healthy playing a full season being the primary offensive threat. Sure they have James Quick, but they lost most all of the rest of their receiving core to graduation. As much as he runs and takes a beating, he may not make it to game 12.

 

[3kidsandme]

I'm not sure what data Team Rankings (the site ULoverUK referenced) uses to determine their SOS rankings but they are drastically different from the Sagarian SOS rankings.

UKs SOS according to Sagarian:

2015 - 57
2014 - 11
2013 - 14
2012 - 8
2011 - 41
2010 - 63
2009 - 35
2008 - 59
2007 - 17
2006 - 13

Avg SOS - 32

ULs SOS according to Sagarian:
2015 - 35
2014 - 45
2013 - 103
2012 - 70
2011 - 60
2010 - 75
2009 - 25
2008 - 81
2007 - 51
2006 - 27

Avg SOS - 57

This is the 10 year average based on Sagarian projections. ULs SOS will obviously look very different in 10 years after playing a decades worth of ACC schedules and scheduling teams like Auburn, Notre Dame and Alabama in the non-conference. Looking at UKs SOS last year only further illustrates what a huge missed opportunity last season was for Stoops and Kentucky as they had essentially the easiest schedule they've had in the 17 years of SOS data that Sagarian has available. But here's the 10 year SOS data...

If you go by NCAA SOS Rankings:

UK
2015 - 94
2014 - 47

UL
2015 - 54
2014 - 62

I used espn. I don't see any way possible uk sos is outside the top 25. Idk if yalls stats are non conference but every site I looked at had us top 10.

 

[WildCard]

You are going to make me bring facts. UL is subsidized almost 9% of its total revenue (one of the highest in the country) where UK receives less than 1% in subsidies. In other words for all of the yapping your fans do about "being the most valuable sports program" you don't rank in the top 25 in revenue and you're on welfare

Facts only

Some other "facts"...

I believe that most, not all but most, of that subsidy is a cashless transfer of "depreciation". By that I mean the ULAA raises the money and builds athletic infrastructure but the infrastructure is technically "owned" by the University. The University allows the ULAA to take the depreciation on that infrastructure and apparently, for the purpose of the USA report, that is considered a "subsidy" even though there is no transfer of money. IOW, a substantial amount of that "subsidy" is only on paper.

Unfortunately, the only "source" I have for this explanation was an article posted by Eric Crawford on his old CJ blog about this very USA Today database. The article was taken down immediately after his move to WDRB. I have been reluctant to post this information in other threads about this subject as I cannot find corroboration of that explanation. I wish someone in the media would ask the school to clarify this point.

That said, the University does provide some "hard cash". There is a student athletic fee, which, as I recall, was voted upon by the student body. (Naturally, the student body changes every 4 or 5 years [winking]. ) Regardless, such fees are common throughout schools. Although I have not checked any ULAA financial reports over the past few years, far and away the biggest cash contribution by the University has been an annual subsidy of ~$2M for the purpose of gender equity scholarships. I suppose they still do this. This money (plus student fees) is the only transfer of cash I have found in the independently audited ULAA financial reports. FWIW, UofL is one of very few schools that is 50/50 in gender equity scholarships (UK is 58/41).

However, given the enormous growth of athletic revenue in the past 5 years I personally think it is time for the ULAA to underwrite these scholarships as well.

Peace

 

[DaBossIsBack]

If their QB is even able to play by our game. I can't see him staying healthy playing a full season being the primary offensive threat. Sure they have James Quick, but they lost most all of the rest of their receiving core to graduation. As much as he runs and takes a beating, he may not make it to game 12.

I'm not sure about the rest of your post, but Jackson's durability will be key to their success.

 

[HedleyLamarr]

Louisville has all of their receivers coming back. The big turnover was last year, and with Quick and Staples injured early on, most of the snaps were taken by freshmen. They have even moved one of their receivers to corner. Unlike UK, the Cards have three returning QB's that have won big games, although Bonnefon will be used as a hybrid back/receiver. They also have a big time QB recruit coming in, in Jawon Pass. It is not accurate to think that the Cards won't have any weapons beyond Lamar Jackson. Louisville is going to be pretty good.

 

[RUPPsRevenge1]

I'd pay Stoops that for one 7 win season.

 

[KY Hog Man]

If their QB is even able to play by our game. I can't see him staying healthy playing a full season being the primary offensive threat. Sure they have James Quick, but they lost most all of the rest of their receiving core to graduation. As much as he runs and takes a beating, he may not make it to game 12.

Their receiving core is probably better this year than the last two.

 

[CATFANFOLIFE87]

I won't argue with anything you said aside from the highly misleading/blatantly wrong statement you made about ULs subsidy being one of the highest in the country. Its actually the COMPLETE opposite. Simply follow your own link that you provided....ULs subsidy is 8.75% and that ranks 191 out of 230 schools listed. Meaning there's only 39 schools in the country that receive a smaller subsidy than Louisville. Don't care about this argument...just wanted to point that out.

I was only talking about Power conference schools not the small programs that understandably need them. There are private institutions that aren't listed because they aren't required to divulge their finances but UL would rank below them as well

 

[Blueaz]

Why isn't steelers banning all the uk trash that oppose the many UL faithful that post here?

Oh, wait

Wrong effin site.... Where opposing opinions aren't deleted and/or censured and opposing fans aren't banned for....uh, for opposing.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Haha lil brothel won't be winning their division let alone the acc for a long time, if ever.

CLemson has to be the favorite to win the ACC this year, with FSU most likely number 2, maybe NC number 2, but Louisville is probably 4th. If their qb can throw a lick they will be tough to defend, even with a spy because he is so fast. But I don't think they can beat CU or FSU. But as soon as Saban hangs it up, Dabo is likely Bama bound. I guess if Kirby is successful enough they could come after him too, but looking like Lambert will be our starting qb this fall and that makes me want to puke. He led us to 11 TDs in the last 8 regular season games, we had almost as many special teams and defensive TDs.

 

[DaBossIsBack]

CLemson has to be the favorite to win the ACC this year, with FSU most likely number 2, maybe NC number 2, but Louisville is probably 4th. If their qb can throw a lick they will be tough to defend, even with a spy because he is so fast. But I don't think they can beat CU or FSU. But as soon as Saban hangs it up, Dabo is likely Bama bound. I guess if Kirby is successful enough they could come after him too, but looking like Lambert will be our starting qb this fall and that makes me want to puke. He led us to 11 TDs in the last 8 regular season games, we had almost as many special teams and defensive TDs.

Lil Brothel's oline is horrible. I'm sure they will improve some, but not enough to make that offense run the way Petrino wants it to run. Their ceiling is 9 games and that's with the oline improving dramatically, avoiding major injuries, and everything else falling into place. I'm going to project 6-8 wins. They're a good team. A talented team. They're just not the world beaters their fans and some others make them out to be.

 

[jauk11]

I'm not sure what data Team Rankings (the site ULoverUK referenced) uses to determine their SOS rankings but they are drastically different from the Sagarian SOS rankings.

UKs SOS according to Sagarian:

2015 - 57
2014 - 11
2013 - 14
2012 - 8
2011 - 41
2010 - 63
2009 - 35
2008 - 59
2007 - 17
2006 - 13

Avg SOS - 32

ULs SOS according to Sagarian:
2015 - 35
2014 - 45
2013 - 103
2012 - 70
2011 - 60
2010 - 75
2009 - 25
2008 - 81
2007 - 51
2006 - 27

Avg SOS - 57

This is the 10 year average based on Sagarian projections. ULs SOS will obviously look very different in 10 years after playing a decades worth of ACC schedules and scheduling teams like Auburn, Notre Dame and Alabama in the non-conference. Looking at UKs SOS last year only further illustrates what a huge missed opportunity last season was for Stoops and Kentucky as they had essentially the easiest schedule they've had in the 17 years of SOS data that Sagarian has available. But here's the 10 year SOS data...

If you go by NCAA SOS Rankings:

UK
2015 - 94
2014 - 47

UL
2015 - 54
2014 - 62

From above: "ULs SOS will obviously look very different in 10 years after playing a decades worth of ACC schedules and scheduling teams like Auburn, Notre Dame and Alabama in the non-conference."

LOL, you played ND in 14 because the ACC mandated it and now you are going to play Auburn and Bama on a regular basis? To start with they still probably won't want to waste their time, I really hope you aren't delusional enough to think you are going to be meeting Bama in the playoffs on a regular basis. Bama could very well be there pretty often but if you make it once in ten years I will be amazed.

 

[FickusDuckus]

From above: "ULs SOS will obviously look very different in 10 years after playing a decades worth of ACC schedules and scheduling teams like Auburn, Notre Dame and Alabama in the non-conference."

LOL, you played ND in 14 because the ACC mandated it and now you are going to play Auburn and Bama on a regular basis? To start with they still probably won't want to waste their time, I really hope you aren't delusional enough to think you are going to be meeting Bama in the playoffs on a regular basis. Bama could very well be there pretty often but if you make it once in ten years I will be amazed.

Think they have Bama to start the season next year in one of those kick off classics and ND to start the following season coming to UL. Thats probably what he is referencing. Kinda stinks because back when I used to attend their games there were no bamas coming there, I missed out. I saw a steady stream of not much outside of a good WVU team. Health not good enough to take the son up on the free tickets much anymore. Id just as soon watch sitting on the lazy boy as opposed to sitting in his box. But I might have to dust off the old tennis shoes and head out to that ND game. I have seen Bam a few times in person when we played them and hvae moe chances going forward. ND dont come round these parts much though.

 

[hmt5000]

Youi


You have no idea what you are talking about on Yum. The tax payers don't pay a dime for UL to rent Yum. UL pays a lot to rent Yum much more than UK pays at Rupp. The city does help pay off the bonds on the cities arena that they wanted to build by the river. You know the arena that UK played twice in the NCAA in and the place that lots of great concerts like 4 shows for Garth last week.

Also UL athletics does not get 13% of it budget from subsides. I am not saying they get zero but is sure is not that much. Part of it is a student fee that the students agreed to in exchange for use of the pool that athletics is paying for.

Either way it has nothing to do with coaches salaries. Much of coaches salaries like Petrino, Stoops, Cal and Pitino are all paid with the help of boosters.

The city of Louisville pays the shortfall for yum each year. Ul gets their cut off the top. I can assure you city taxpayers pay for yum whether they go or not.

 

[catfootballfan]

Against the likes of BC, Cuse, Virginia, Duke, Charlotte, and Wake? Yawn

And we would have beat how manu of them,Wake maybe

 

[CATFANFOLIFE87]

And we would have beat how manu of them,Wake maybe

You're drunk we would beat every one of them

 

[Michigan Fan]

I'm not sure about the rest of your post, but Jackson's durability will be key to their success.

That why Bolin and Pass are also important...interesting to see what Pass does when he shows up...

 

[Michigan Fan]

If their QB is even able to play by our game. I can't see him staying healthy playing a full season being the primary offensive threat. Sure they have James Quick, but they lost most all of the rest of their receiving core to graduation. As much as he runs and takes a beating, he may not make it to game 12.

Nothing further from the truth...the entire WR Corp is coming back including...remember Louisville started 2 Freshmen WR Most of the year last year in Samual and Smith....plus Quick, Peete, Staples and Savage are back and they are bringing in 4* WR Dez Fitzpatrick.

 

[Michigan Fan]

Lil Brothel's oline is horrible.

Should have checked them out this spring...they have improved, Hughley is still Hughley though which is mediocre at best at Center....but the issue with the OL is it is razor thin in depth...they can't afford any injuries at all.

 

[CATFANFOLIFE87]

Nothing further from the truth...the entire WR Corp is coming back including...remember Louisville started 2 Freshmen WR Most of the year last year in Samual and Smith....plus Quick, Peete, Staples and Savage are back and they are bringing in 4* WR Dez Fitzpatrick.

I know our WR had problems with drops last year but I think our WR corp is much more talented than UL's. I don't see any of the receivers that were at UL last year playing in the NFL except for maybe Staples

 

[dgtatu01]

So was his predecessor Charlie Strong . With those schedules UL trots out 9 wins should almost be the norm. As long as he isn't beating Clemson, ND, and Florida St with consistently, then he isn't worth that much money.

Remember that time hecoached Arkansas to the Sugar Bowl? The same Arkansas that were beating on the regular before he showed up. The same Arkansas that played Alabama LSU, Auburn, etc. Yeah I remember that too. Still would rather have him than Stoops.

 

[DerVille]

I'm not sure what data Team Rankings (the site ULoverUK referenced) uses to determine their SOS rankings but they are drastically different from the Sagarian SOS rankings.

UKs SOS according to Sagarian:

2015 - 57
2014 - 11
2013 - 14
2012 - 8
2011 - 41
2010 - 63
2009 - 35
2008 - 59
2007 - 17
2006 - 13

Avg SOS - 32

ULs SOS according to Sagarian:
2015 - 35
2014 - 45
2013 - 103
2012 - 70
2011 - 60
2010 - 75
2009 - 25
2008 - 81
2007 - 51
2006 - 27

Avg SOS - 57

This is the 10 year average based on Sagarian projections. ULs SOS will obviously look very different in 10 years after playing a decades worth of ACC schedules and scheduling teams like Auburn, Notre Dame and Alabama in the non-conference. Looking at UKs SOS last year only further illustrates what a huge missed opportunity last season was for Stoops and Kentucky as they had essentially the easiest schedule they've had in the 17 years of SOS data that Sagarian has available. But here's the 10 year SOS data...

If you go by NCAA SOS Rankings:

UK
2015 - 94
2014 - 47

UL
2015 - 54
2014 - 62

As fun as this yearly bickering is, 'my neighborhood is nicer than your neighborhood', they play each other head to head on the field. That is the true test of the programs. They play, the conference stuff is trivial. How can you compare two programs in which one is a founding member of a 80 year old conference and the other didn't really attempt to be a football school until the 1980's with multiple conference changes? Their head to head play. Besides criticizing Louisville's conference is a thing of the past. Some will keep trying but it just makes them look silly and small minded.

 

[WildCard]

And we would have beat how manu of them,Wake maybe

You're drunk we would beat every one of them

Other than Charlotte I don't think UK has played any of these teams recently. And they have never played Wake. However, for the record, UK is 0-1 vs BC, 0-1 vs 'Cuse, 1-0 vs VA and Charlotte and 0-4 vs. Duke. That is 2-6 all time against those 5 teams.

Peace

 

[Kats23]

Remember that time hecoached Arkansas to the Sugar Bowl? The same Arkansas that were beating on the regular before he showed up. The same Arkansas that played Alabama LSU, Auburn, etc. Yeah I remember that too. Still would rather have him than Stoops.

Remember that time he left Arkansas because he cheated on his wife, hired his mistress, and then got into a motorcycle accident with the girl's fiancé's fist? Then Arkansas had to fight to rebuild their rosters with non criminals. Yeah, I remember that too. Not a huge fan of Stoops but UK can do better than Petrino.

He hasn't beaten Clemson or FL St since he's been at UL. He did beat a depleted ND. He isn't worth that money till he starts beating more than BC and Syracuse.

 

[PhattyJ4UK_rivals309166]

Some other "facts"...

I believe that most, not all but most, of that subsidy is a cashless transfer of "depreciation". By that I mean the ULAA raises the money and builds athletic infrastructure but the infrastructure is technically "owned" by the University. The University allows the ULAA to take the depreciation on that infrastructure and apparently, for the purpose of the USA report, that is considered a "subsidy" even though there is no transfer of money. IOW, a substantial amount of that "subsidy" is only on paper.

Unfortunately, the only "source" I have for this explanation was an article posted by Eric Crawford on his old CJ blog about this very USA Today database. The article was taken down immediately after his move to WDRB. I have been reluctant to post this information in other threads about this subject as I cannot find corroboration of that explanation. I wish someone in the media would ask the school to clarify this point.

That said, the University does provide some "hard cash". There is a student athletic fee, which, as I recall, was voted upon by the student body. (Naturally, the student body changes every 4 or 5 years [winking]. ) Regardless, such fees are common throughout schools. Although I have not checked any ULAA financial reports over the past few years, far and away the biggest cash contribution by the University has been an annual subsidy of ~$2M for the purpose of gender equity scholarships. I suppose they still do this. This money (plus student fees) is the only transfer of cash I have found in the independently audited ULAA financial reports. FWIW, UofL is one of very few schools that is 50/50 in gender equity scholarships (UK is 58/41).

However, given the enormous growth of athletic revenue in the past 5 years I personally think it is time for the ULAA to underwrite these scholarships as well.

Peace

You have too much time on your hands.

Peace.

 

[ULoverUK]

From above: "ULs SOS will obviously look very different in 10 years after playing a decades worth of ACC schedules and scheduling teams like Auburn, Notre Dame and Alabama in the non-conference."

LOL, you played ND in 14 because the ACC mandated it and now you are going to play Auburn and Bama on a regular basis? To start with they still probably won't want to waste their time, I really hope you aren't delusional enough to think you are going to be meeting Bama in the playoffs on a regular basis. Bama could very well be there pretty often but if you make it once in ten years I will be amazed.

Your reading comprehension is lacking a little bit there jauk. I guess you totally overlooked the word "like" that he place in front of Auburn, ND and Alabama. Also, I can't let you get by with leading the impression the only reason Louisville played ND was because they were "mandated". Louisville has been trying to get a game set up with the Irish for many years without any luck. Fortunately, with the ACC membership in the back pocket, the long time desires of Card Nation to play the Irish have come to pass with said membership.

 

[buck8113]

I wish we could win 9 games a year and go to any dam bowl.

 

[sluggercatfan]

Your reading comprehension is lacking a little bit there jauk. I guess you totally overlooked the word "like" that he place in front of Auburn, ND and Alabama. Also, I can't let you get by with leading the impression the only reason Louisville played ND was because they were "mandated". Louisville has been trying to get a game set up with the Irish for many years without any luck. Fortunately, with the ACC membership in the back pocket, the long time desires of Card Nation to play the Irish have come to pass with said membership.

You guys make it SO easy...the ONLY reason you--along with your aac brethren--are getting games with ND is because ND agreed to schedule games with acc teams per an agreement for joining the acc...nothing more than that, so it has NOTHING to do with just you being otis. So yes, ND is "mandated" to play so many acc teams on its schedule.

 

[MacCard]

You guys make it SO easy...the ONLY reason you--along with your aac brethren--are getting games with ND is because ND agreed to schedule games with acc teams per an agreement for joining the acc...nothing more than that, so it has NOTHING to do with just you being otis. So yes, ND is "mandated" to play so many acc teams on its schedule.

I fail to see why that matters? It's like saying that the only reason UK plays Alabama is because it's "mandated" by the SEC.

We play a schedule, you all play a schedule. Does the reasoning really matter?