Petrino's dad says he would take the UK job if offered

ShoelessJoeSchad

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Hmm...

Per OKTC:

Baiting Auburn?

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I want no part of Petrino making UK a hard out every year. Auburn will hopefully have a hard time hiring a "name" guy after the mess they have created. We don't need things to be any harder on us in conference because I don't expect aTm, Bama, or LSU to drop off any time soon.
 

hatfieldms

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Even if Petrino took that job he wouldn't be there long enough to turn it around. You know damn well he would jump at the next big job that came his way
 

ShoelessJoeSchad

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What specifically can Slive do to impede UK (or AU or UT) from hiring him?

this /\ .... thinks Mike Slive

I know that Slive has considerable influence as commish but what specifically would he do? Petrino has no NCAA baggage, just personal. He is a certified sleazeball but a proven winner at every stop on the college level. I mean, if Slive REALLY doesn't want Petrino back in the SEC this would have to be done with some back room politics. He can't publicly blackball him for personal failings. We all know that Slive isn't afraid to do "what's right for the conference" but bringing Petrino back into the fray legitimizes the competitiveness of another SEC program.
 

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I would try not to underestimate Slives influence .... I know he can't legally prevent it
 

patdog

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Slive doesn't have anything to do with the reasons Petrino won't be working in the SEC again for a while. The reasons he got fired from Arkansas make him toxic for any major conference school. He's going to have to step down to a lower level for a few years.
 

Coach34

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Petrino's baggage isn't just personal. He didn't just have an affair- if that had been the case, he would have kept his job. Hiring her within the football office is what got him fired, and also what will keep him out of an SEC job for the foreseeable future
 

johnson86-1

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If you're considering any BCS school a major school, he's not too toxic. I think what will keep him from being hired is that a school like UK can't trust him not to jump ship as soon as he rehabilitates his image. You take a flyer on a coach like Petrino if it gives you the chance to get a long-term coach that would otherwise be above your weight class. But you don't take that hit to have him for 3 to 4 years.

Especially since it doesn't seem like his system is something that can be kept going by a new coach. Arkansas is obviously a different situation, but how long did it take Louisville to drop back to normal after Petrino left? I seem to remember them not hanging onto their momentum for long, but I'm too lazy to check.
 

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If you're considering any BCS school a major school, he's not too toxic. I think what will keep him from being hired is that a school like UK can't trust him not to jump ship as soon as he rehabilitates his image. You take a flyer on a coach like Petrino if it gives you the chance to get a long-term coach that would otherwise be above your weight class. But you don't take that hit to have him for 3 to 4 years.

Especially since it doesn't seem like his system is something that can be kept going by a new coach. Arkansas is obviously a different situation, but how long did it take Louisville to drop back to normal after Petrino left? I seem to remember them not hanging onto their momentum for long, but I'm too lazy to check.

There is nothing long term about the UK program. Their attendance for the last several home games has been <35,000. They are looking for a quick fix.

A couple of weeks ago, I would have given Petrino no shot at UK. Now I'm not so sure. Calipari was an untouchable at one point, but cetain boosters got involved and that all changed. I'm not sure there is enough booster interest in the UK football program to force Barnhart's hand, but if the right group speaks up, Petrino to UK could get some legs.
 

ShoelessJoeSchad

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I get that angle, hiring her was reckless and foolish, BUT...

Petrino's baggage isn't just personal. He didn't just have an affair- if that had been the case, he would have kept his job. Hiring her within the football office is what got him fired, and also what will keep him out of an SEC job for the foreseeable future

Petrino is the forbidden fruit dangling in the garden of the SEC right now. What interests me is the idea of a potential game of chicken going on between UK and AU. It may all be a big bluff but what's at stake here? Embarrassment to the university? Because there is no threat of probation looming like if you hired Butch Davis, Tressel or the Kang. I think if Kentucky or Auburn hires Bobby P they essentially are saying, 17it, we don't care how this looks, we want to win THAT badly. Win at all costs and put some over the top contract language that gives them cause for dismissal without a buyout if Bobby makes any misstep whatsoever. Petrino is desperate to return to the SEC and would be willing to make concessions on his contract. That way they can "sell" the hire as a redemption story, blah blah blah but it would all be thinly veiled ********. I don't think that UT could afford to take a chance on Petrino right now because they spent that capital on Kiffin and he is still very fresh in the minds of the Vols fanbase.

Auburn, however, would be willing to do it because the combination of Chiz's 2012 implosion and Saban lust has made them that nuts to the point where they are willing to do about anything to level the playing field. Deals with the devil are absolutely on the table on the Plains.

Kentucky probably won't bite because they don't care about football. They might say they do, but deep down, they don't. They are happy being the basketball Golden Goose of the SEC.
 

Shmuley

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I think it speaks volumes that he's got his Dad out there floating hints. His prospects are not too good if you ask me.
 

patdog

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I think you're really underestimating the impact of what he did at Arkansas. Coach34 gets it. This doesn't have a thing to do with the affair. It's the going around the laws on hiring within the department and directly lying to his AD and President and leaving them hanging out to dry when the truth came out.
 

olblue.sixpack

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I think you're really underestimating the impact of what he did at Arkansas. Coach34 gets it. This doesn't have a thing to do with the affair. It's the going around the laws on hiring within the department and directly lying to his AD and President and leaving them hanging out to dry when the truth came out.

Thank you Mr Obvious
 

johnson86-1

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You're overestimating the problem of dealing with that. It's not like it will expose the new university to liability. Whoever hires him just has to put the proper controls in place and structure the contract so that screwing around in that way will cost him. You can even put an indemnification clause in there for any employment related lawsuits against the school so that even after he is comfortable, it's more than just his future earnings he's worried about.

After that, it's just a PR issue. He's already started his public penance, and each year that goes by makes it a little easier to hire him. The only hesitancy Auburn would have would be that (i) it appears clear he can't keep up with Saban, and (ii) he probably doesn't have the personality to be a puppet (although he might be willing to try it at this point). UK might not care enough about football to take that PR hit, but otherwise would/should be happy to take him with the right contract length and buyout clause. If UM had kept Nutt another year, I'm sure they would have jumped on him, although the thought of taking another arkansas retread might have prevented that. MSU would not touch him if Dan left now, but I hope we would have been happy to take him coming off of the Slytanic. The only thing to keep UT from taking him is they believe they can get somebody like Gruden. That's a third of the schools in the SEC that would conceivably take him now or would have in the recent past. A BCS school with the right combination of (i) caring too much about football, (ii) desperation, and (iii) lack of attractive alternatives will likely pop up in the next year or two. Certainly not guaranteed to, but I would bet that if he is not picky, there will be a perennial also ran in a major conference with boosters tired of losing and ready to roll the dice.
 

patdog

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Of course any potential new employer wouldn't be exposed to any liability for anything he did at Arkansas. That's ridiculous to even suggest. But who's going to hire someone who screwed over his last boss like that? There's more than just bad PR for any potential new employer to deal with. And an indemnification clause isn't some magic bullet that would make any potential (given his history maybe even likely) problems he might cause the new employer go away. Hell, Arkansas could probably win a lawsuit against him for any damages he causes them to pay whether there was an indemnification clause in his contract or not. Hard as it is for some people to believe, this is a lot more than just your standard coach gets caught doing something he shouldn't do and got fired, but no big deal because someone else will hire him. This is more like Mike Price stuff, except worse. That happened 9 years ago and he's still stuck at UTEP. And I know part of that is because of his record, but he put together back-to-back 8-4 seasons (which is very very good for UTEP) and nobody even came close to touching him.
 

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The fact that he's practically begging for the KY job shows how desperate he is...he won't get it*
 

maroonmania

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exactly. Petrino is toxic right now and cannot be hired.

The legal jeopardy he put his former university employer in is really the issue that makes him toxic. The fact that he was having an adulterous affair with a girl half his age seems to be a pretty common story among college football coaches.
 

ShoelessJoeSchad

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A BCS school with the right combination of (i) caring too much about football, (ii) desperation, and (iii) lack of attractive alternatives will likely pop up in the next year or two. Certainly not guaranteed to, but I would bet that if he is not picky, there will be a perennial also ran in a major conference with boosters tired of losing and ready to roll the dice.

Bingo. The main difference between Petrino and Mike Price or other damaged goods coaches is Petrino has proven that his talents work pretty much anywhere he goes. Instant fix. Within 2-3 years he has his teams in the BCS. Being able to miraculously turn your team into a contender is worth an almost unlimited sum, especially when his flaws have been exposed to the point where you can protect yourself with contract stipulations. I read somewhere that Saban is worth $100M annually to the Univesity of Alabama. That may be an extreme case of what the right guy is worth to the right university but if you are looking at this as a bottom dollar business (as we should), then Bobby Petrino being available to coach for your team is like a 2011 Ferarri sitting in a used car lot next to Kia's and Subarus. You just don't find guys like that in the bargain bin.
 

patdog

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Mike Price took Washington State to the 17ing Rose Bowl twice and got them into the final top 10 rankings 3 times in his last 6 seasons there. Bobby Petrino hasn't done anything even close to as impressive as that.