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HuntinAces

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Talon cooper was our biggest loss from that team, from a facilitator and defensive presence.
Mike has been our best offensive performer this year, shooting 50+%. He was our leading scorer yesterday and took one shot the final 8 minutes.. He should be getting the ball in his hands every possession down the stretch, yet we keep thinking Meechie is that dude. Nothing against Meechie, but that’s not his role and will not help us win games.
 

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Never been a fan of our starting PG. I said it from day 1. It was a mistake to bring him back. Very little leadership at this position and it showed against UGA, VA etc. Bad shots and poor decisions down the stretch, cost us those games.
 

HuntinAces

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Funny thing is Meechie, I believe, is averaging right at 4 assists this year. Was very surprised at this stat Tre put out and speaks volumes of our lack of success.
 

Viennacock

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Talon cooper was our biggest loss from that team, from a facilitator and defensive presence.
Mike has been our best offensive performer this year, shooting 50+%. He was our leading scorer yesterday and took one shot the final 8 minutes.. He should be getting the ball in his hands every possession down the stretch, yet we keep thinking Meechie is that dude. Nothing against Meechie, but that’s not his role and will not help us win games.
We keep thinking Meechie? Meechie keeps thinking Meechie.
 

adcoop

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Yes, Meechie's kin. Hopefully not more of the same.
I think you are unfairly blaming Meechie here. He wasn't monopolizing the ball jacking up shots. The ball started in Mike's or Eli's hands in the late possessions, especially if you are talking the UGA game, the ball just swung to Meechie for one of the 25 foot shoots that he and a lot of other kids like to take. The shots were open and Meechie has won games for us with those same shots. You can't take the wins and then get mad when those same shots don't go in. I would prefer the shots be a little closer, but that is today's game. If they are going to insist on taking 3s, at least have them be wide open.
 
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Viennacock

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I think you are unfairly blaming Meechie here. He wasn't monopolizing the ball jacking up shots. The ball started in Mike's or Eli's hands in the late possessions, especially if you are talking the UGA game, the ball just swung to Meechie for one of the 25 foot shoots that he and a lot of other kids like to take. The shots were open and Meechie has won games for us with those same shots. You can't take the wins and then get mad when those same shots don't go in. I would prefer the shots be a little closer, but that is today's game. If they are going to insist on taking 3s, at least have them be wide open.
I was at the VA game. Not being unfair. He single handedly botched the last possession when we didn't get off a shot.

I only caught the last few minutes of the UGA game. It was a disaster. He did make a good pass inside late to Knox in which he panicked. I also watched Meechie take two long wide open threes when he could have taken three steps in and still been wide open. He missed them both and was 0-7 on 3's at that point. We are a disaster down the stretch and a good bit of the blame needs to fall on the PG.
 

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I also watched Meechie take two long wide open threes when he could have taken three steps in and still been wide open. He missed them both and was 0-7 on 3's at that point. We are a disaster down the stretch and a good bit of the blame needs to fall on the PG.
You and I both know that today's players don't take steps in to take the 3. They either step to the side or step back. In fact, coaches get mad at players and take them out for taking long 2s. The two shots you are talking about are the very shots that Meechie has won games for us on several occasions. While I agree with you that Meechie is not a PG, I have no problem with Meechie being brought back. I just don't like his role. Meechie needs to be slotted at the 2 with a strong PG beside him. Unfortunately, we don't have that. Mike can be a PG, but he is a little too passive to effectively run with Meechie. He defers and of course Meechie is not going to wait around for someone else to take big shots. Eli is sort of a smaller Meechie. So, we have what we have and it is Coach Paris' job to make the best out of it.
 
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Viennacock

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You and I both know that today's players don't take steps in to take the 3. They either step to the side or step back. In fact, coaches get mad at players and take them out for taking long 2s. The two shots you are talking about are the very shots that Meechie has won games for us on several occasions. While I agree with you that Meechie is not a PG, I have no problem with Meechie being brought back. I just don't like his role. Meechie needs to be slotted at the 2 with a strong PG beside him. Unfortunately, we don't have that. Mike can be a PG, but he is a little too passive to effectively run with Meechie. He defers and of course Meechie is not going to wait around for someone else to take big shots. Eli is sort a smaller Meechie. So, we have what we have and it is Coach Paris' job to make the best out of it.

Maybe I wasn't being clear. Meechie took several 30 footers when he could have spotted up at 22 feet 2 inches. He would have been wide open at either distance but decided to spot up well outside the 3 pount line. Both distances are three pointers. You certainly have a higher probability at 22 feet vs 30 feet. I'm not suggesting he move inside the 3 point line.

In all fairness, he's not a PG. He certainly has the mentality and game of a 2 guard.

This team lacks floor leadership and that falls on the PG. If it were football, it would fall on the QB. Maybe not always fair but...
 

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Maybe I wasn't being clear. Meechie took several 30 footers when he could have spotted up at 22 feet 2 inches. He would have been wide open at either distance but decided to spot up well outside the 3 pount line. Both distances are three pointers. You certainly have a higher probability at 22 feet vs 30 feet. I'm not suggesting he move inside the 3 point line.

In all fairness, he's not a PG. He certainly has the mentality and game of a 2 guard.

This team lacks floor leadership and that falls on the PG. If it were football, it would fall on the QB. Maybe not always fair but...
Meechie doesn't really take the 22 footer. I watch most of his games. I miss some because I am more of an NBA guy. He is a streaky 3 point shooter from deep. If you are looking for the consistent 36% from 3 guy that takes the 3 point shot right at the line, that's not who Meechie is, and it makes sense that you have a problem with it. I would prefer that he step in at a closer catch and shoot area myself, but after 3 years, you know what a player is going to do and what he is not going to do. It's obvious that Coach Paris has given him the green light with that shot. Looks good when it goes in during upsets of Kentucky. Saved us with a similar shot in a non-conference game against Southern Miss. Bummer when he is on one of his cold streaks. However, I have seen streaky shooters taking the 22 footers as well.
 

AnsonCock

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Maybe I wasn't being clear. Meechie took several 30 footers when he could have spotted up at 22 feet 2 inches. He would have been wide open at either distance but decided to spot up well outside the 3 pount line. Both distances are three pointers. You certainly have a higher probability at 22 feet vs 30 feet. I'm not suggesting he move inside the 3 point line.

In all fairness, he's not a PG. He certainly has the mentality and game of a 2 guard.

This team lacks floor leadership and that falls on the PG. If it were football, it would fall on the QB. Maybe not always fair but...
Leadership, sure. But Jims and Joes, also.